[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why all the Glock Bashing (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/23/2005 9:18:56 AM EDT
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You go on other parts of this website and there is a great deal of Glock bashing. I don't get it. Don't like Glocks, don't buy one. I have two, but I also have a SIG, an HK, and a CZ. I would like to add a 1911 to the collection at some point, mainly because well becuase I can. But in a SHTF situation, which so many people seem to want to dicuss the answer seems clear to me   There is simply far less to go wrong with the Glock. So WTF? Over. |
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Some guys just have a "traditional" mindset, such as myself. I hated the very idea of a plastic gun, and even shooting a friend's service G22 didn't change my mind, as well as it shot for me. Some 4 years or so afterward, and after trying out numerous types/brands of handgun, I could still not find a handgun that I shot as well as that Glock, so I finally ended up trading an SA 1911 for a G19. They ain't work-of-art pretty, but they sure as hell get the job done. |
Someone said yesterday at the IDPA match that he'd heard of a shoot in OK where it was Glock vs. 1911. 1000 rounds total. No cleaning allowed. Malfunctions counted against you more than slow time or bad shooting. Due to this. He said no 1911 ever came in the top 10. He said this to me and 3 or 4 other glock people while surrounded by 1911 people. 
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So you heard from a guy, who heard from a guy, about this incident. Not saying its not true, but I'm doubtful. Not saying it couldn't happen, I'm just considering the source. I should add that I am a Glock lover. |
| The Glock bashing amounts to some dickhead who has never shot one much less owned one, saying well I >>>heard <<< they blow up. Of course their might be two or three proven accounts over the last few years and the majority of those were shooting ultra hot lead handloads thet likely would of blown any gun. Due to its Polygonal rifling lead that is not FMJ is not supposed to be used in Glocks this is stated in warranties and owners manuals. I own a G22 the type that "Blows Up" most commonly and have had zero issues with the gun but have had ammo problems with WWB briken shell and FTF same box same clip. Glocks do exactly what they are supposed to do. Look for facts and experiences and disregard opinion and you will find this sight alot more useful. Also if you are talking about Glocks assume a healthy amount of the doubters are full of shit or are completely without fisthand expereience. I own and am very happy with a G22 but I prefer my CZ-75 and 1911, it is just preference, The Glock lacks personality by comparison but is no less effective. |
Can you give us a link to the bashing? |
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I noticed you didn't compare the reliability of the Glock to the Browning High-Power!  Seriously OrionSix, I think that some of the Glock hating is not envy, but payback. "What?" You say. Well, in years previous, there were a lot of newbie Glock owners that were sure they had found handgun nirvana, and were all too willing to tell the rest of the gun crowd how inadequate their classic pistols now were. Add to that that a lot of those classic semi-auto pistol owners did not and will not accept the utilitarian squarish design of the Glock. So faced with criticism from the Glock aficionado crowd who were smugly crowing about that "ugly" gun, the backlash naturally started. |
Interesting, and proabably a realistic analysis thanks. Mid-America Arms in Afton has a swett Hi-Power I would buy if I had $750 laying around. |
fixed HK Springfield Smith & Wesson SIG Beretta Ruger Kimber 1911 
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Then proceed to have your notions of superiority blown out of the water (and mud, and sand, etc.) by bigbore. |
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You're joking, right? If not, you're still a funny guy - you just don't know it. 
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I like my Glock.....and my FN, and my Sig, and my Colts, and my Taurus, and my Berettas, and my Ruger, and my H&k, and my Walther...........Uhhhhhhhhh, I like 'em all. If you don't like it don't buy it, and instead of bashing the next guy, just be happy with what YOU have.
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i won't try to justify others opinion's w/ my own. i'm issued a glock 22, been sent to a glock armorers course. the glock is a good, simple gun. that being said however, they don't fit my hands as well as a 1911 w/ curved main spring housing or a sig. i have put probably 10,000 rounds through my glock in training. they just don't point as naturally for me as a sig or 1911. |
Glocks don't fit everyone the same. Just because YOU like your Glocks best, doesn't mean that I have to like them at all. In fact, I hate the triggers to no end. I also have to work MORE to be accurate with the Glocks I've owned. It's called ergonomics, not everyone is built the same. I have a G20. Why?? It's the BEST 10mm Auto platform there is.... Period. It happens to also be a Glock. Which I can forgive.
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Payback my ass. The Glock bashing started from the day it was imported. Remember the crap about not leaving it in the car because it would melt, and all the other BS stories? |
Not a reason for bashing.
Again not reasons for bashing.
Yet another non-reason for bashing.
Again not saying you're doing the bashing, but there is a bunch of it. There are no more Glock kool aid drinkers than there are 1911 kool aid drinkers. You can't lay the fanaticism of the owners as the blame for the bashing because I have known/seen/read the fanaticism of 1911 owners. They are just as bad. I think Glock was behind the power curve from the get-go. -First was its negative portrayal in the media, remember the x-ray crap? -Then it was a 9mm in a .45cal nation. About the same time it was first being imported, the Army switched to the 9mm, pissing off vets and enthusiasts alike. -Then it was the first major polymer pistol. That didn't go over well at all. Yes, I know HK had the first polymer pistol, but that's like saying the Vikings discovered America. It's true, but Glock popularized it. -Then came the whole kB thing, which can basically be traced to bad brass from one manufacturer; otherwise, it kBs no more than any other pistol out there. -Worst of all, in some people's eyes, is their tag line "Perfection." I've seen more irrational negative reaction to that tag line than anything else in the gun world. It's just a line people, get over it. Just like HK's "In a world of compromise, some don't." (BTW, in a world of compromise HK developed the lower cost UMP/G-36 line to accommodate agencies/countries who could not afford the high priced HKs. HK's line is no more technically correct than Glocks, but you don't see the backlash for some reason.) The arguments that one size doesn't fit all, apply to all pistols not just Glock, so I tend to dismiss that as the main reason for the bashing. |
Ah, but you are missing the key ingredient. "Which handgun should I buy? An H&K USP 45 or a Kimber TLE/RL II?" "Get a Glock, they are the best." Glocks don't fit me well Bullshit. They are PERFECTION. Bullshit! I've shot them quite a bit and they DO NOT WORK WELL FOR ME. You suck. Every PD known to man uses the Glock. That means it's the best in the world. Sounds all too familiar. So when the Glock Kool-Aiders show up the fireworks are sure to follow. |
I've seen that. And I've seen the same thing only substitute 1911 for Glock. |
Yeah, only the reason given for why it's the "best in the world" usually centers around a battle history that proved it's worth in spades. Despite USGI sights, 7rd magazines and a higher small part count. Oh and the 1911 was designed by an American firearms genius, not an Austrian furniture maker -- ah, but who is keeping track of these things?? Certainly not me. Hell, the 1911 is making ANOTHER trip through the elite US military units and the Glock hasn't made it's first.
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And that all gets back to my point about the underlying reasons. I've noticed the Croation sensation was much more palatable(sp?) to the American shooting public despite having many of the same "negatives" as the Glock. |
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glocks?! love the damn things! heres a good write up and a pic of mine  my g30 |
One small point of correction that I notice about REPUTABLE 1911's fans in these discussions.... Usually it is the REPUTABLE 1911 fans who are merely standing thier ground and asking the Glock fans to state their case for why you would WANT to replace a 90+ year PROVEN design for a Johnny-come-lately.... From there, the troll line is snagged and we usually devolve into shit slinging dejour.... That is just my observation, not necessarily impartial or correct... 
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And most reputable Glock fans will say, I like Glock because it is reliable and it works for me. They'll also say shoot or at least handle as many guns as possible to find what works for you. Of course, when a design is 90 years old, just about everything is a Johnny-come-lately. ETA: My reasons for being a Glock fan, and selling my only 1911-type design. 1. Ergonomics. The Glock fits me. I picked up a Glock and naturally shot it better than anything else I had sho to that point, including the 1911. 2. Low bore axis. For some this is overblown. For me it is not. I like the fact the recoil feels straight back and not "flippy." 3. Capacity. Given the poor terminal performance of all handgun rounds, I'll take 17 9mm over 7 .45s everyday and twice on Sunday. 4. Trigger. Is it as clean as a 1911? Certainly not! However, it is consistant from shot to shot and I don't have to have a safety to get it. 5. Lack of an external safety. What can I say, I like point and click. 6. Lightweight. When I wore one daily on an utility belt, I appreciated this more than I do know, where I'm not carrying a baton, flashlight, cuffs, etc, all the time. 7. Durability. See bigbore's thread. I'll never subject any of my pistols to that. What I don't like: 1. The crappy factory sights. 2. The Model 22. Just doesn't feel right for some reason. I like the 35 and 24 fine, but not the 22. 3. The Model 36. Again, it just doesn't feel right. 4. The Model 19, all "compact" size frames. I can't shoot them worth a damn for some reason. I had a M19 and I couldn't shoot it worth a damn. The M26 and M17 I shoot well, IMO. The last three reasons is why I always suggest people try a bunch of pistols. Even with Glocks, where damn near everthing is the same, a subtle change, ie caliber, slide length, frame length, frame width, etc, gives me very different results. |
So you don't like Glocks. You said your piece, but now you come back, not to bash the pistols, but the owners. Nice. |
Case in point. Thank you for an illustration of my point.
OK, that is a great trivia answer, but what does that mean in helping prove the Glock is superior?
Thank you. Very insightful.
Can you please illustrate where I have claimed otherwise? They do work. That is great. So do women's bras. Women's bras don't work well for me though. I own a Glock, I like it fine. It's not the be all end all. You may be convinced, but the rest of the world isn't or doesn't have to be. Deal with it.
It does? What is my argument? Let me recap: Glock don't fit me as well as 1911's. Glocks have a horrible trigger compared to a 1911. Glocks take more work for me to shoot accurately as I have to position myself differently behind the pistol. Therefore Glocks are not perfect for me. 1911's were designed by a firearms genius. 1911's have served in the World's wars as a primary sidearm. 1911's are making ANOTHER trip through elite forces of the US Military. Sounds like pretty strong arguments without ever mentioning Gaston. |
Are we really supposed to beleive that auto-loading pistol nirvana and perfection was achieved on the first go around?
I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but I would submit this has at least as much to do with instituional bias as it does with getting the best out there. And to my knowledge Glock is proving itself everyday in Iraq with private security contractors. Admittedly, I am a "Johnny-come lately" to these boards, and someone mentioned that pure Glock afficianados are getting as good as they have given in the past; but the mere presence of Glock here seems to irritate some people. And from what I have seen there are a couple of brands with there own forum that certainly strike me as being "cheap" guns that do not get the grief Glock does. |
next time don't buy your sense of humor at walmart 
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i will give glock props for making a reliable and TOUGH 9mm pistol. even though the ergonomics are horrible for most people. that said 9mm is about the only thing they have gotten right. the reason glock has never been considered by the US military and likely never will be has NOTHING to do with bias. it is 100% due to the fact that glocks design does not meet the specifications they are looking for in a general service pistol. law enforcement buys them because they are dirt cheap to LE agencies compared to the competition. |
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First off, as I've stated before in the Glock forum I'm a 1911 and Sig shooter. However, I would never bash the Glocks. I think they are the most reliable handgun out there. I usually recommend Glocks to newbies that I introduce to shooting if they are looking for an autoloader to buy for themselves. I don't use them much myself(even though I've had several since their intro in the eighties) because I don't like the grip angle. If the grip angle felt better to me Glocks might be all I would shoot but the ergomonics of the Sigs won me over. I personally think the majority of the bashing is from shooters that have never spent enough time shooting Glocks to appreciate them. Anyone who has spent trigger time behind one certainly couldn't dis them! |
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Kills me, I see 1911s break all the time, but on the internet "Oh no they're great, Glocks blow up!" well not mine, but I don't shoot wooden bullets with mud and twigs loaded into the casings.-then they quickly follow with comments driven by emotion ie "looks pretty" "not plastic" kinda like how a chick picks out a purse, a 1911 is a fashion accessory. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=21546 (note don't troll in the linked thread above-thanks) See how many people immediately dismiss the idea of a plastic 1911 receiver on emotional grounds-sure might work better and last longer, but practicality takes a back seat to cosmetic appearance. |
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Not in my 5.11s
At which point he proceeded to out shoot you with his backup slingshot....or so he claims. 
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everyone just needs to use common sence and quit acting like your jacked up off of estrogen. Go out and shoot the different types and buy what you shoot the best. What matters is that you made the right decision and are able to confidently engage a bg if it comes to it. Not think "damn it i have to shoot my pretty case queen" or " holy shit is this thing going to blow my hand off?"  most of the glock models wouldn't come up nice, were the 1911's were damn near always dead on. Flame on |