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If I fail to train I train to fail. I am sure this is was wrote to induce terror in all Glock owners hearts. "Well, no. Several lawsuits were filed by law enforcement personnel. Many of these lawsuits were attempting to blame Glock for negligent discharges when disassembling the pistol in order to clean as one must pull the trigger in order to disassemble it. Nonetheless, there were and inevitably will be more, lawsuits resulting from negligent discharges when attempting to reholster a Glock pistol. Some examples are: 1. An FBI agent 2. Massachusetts officer shoots hole through pants reholstering 3. Officer Bill McMahan 4. Harlan County" And after reading this I wonder "How as a civilian I will ever be better than the Police?" "So, do we have a mechanical problem with Glocks and other pistols that have the safety on the trigger or do we have a training problem? Obviously, every pistol owner should take a training class that goes beyond the good Lieutenant Colonel’s Four Rules. However, with full time law enforcement personnel experiencing negligent discharges from their issued Glocks they were trained to use, should we not expect negligent discharges from Glock owning citizens? The answer is “yes” and aside from the very real (though not widespread) danger of negligently firing a Glock when reholstering, " While we are here point out to me where I find the answer to the first sentence in my last quote. I am clearly under educated and trained as a civilian so it my be a mute point. For that I must truly apologize. View Quote I read this a couple of times and I don't know what you are trying to say. If you are trying to say police are better trained than civilians, in some cases yes, in some no. Most cops are not gun people and only shoot when they qualify. If a hobbyist gun owner who trains saw a police qualification on the last day of a shooting period they would be shocked at how lousy cops shoot. I feel sorry for the range masters who have to risk themselves to qualify the cops who don't know how to shoot. e If I carried a glock inside my waistband it would have a gadget. I would be stupid not too. I have seen the gadget in use and it is worth every penny it costs. |
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I read this a couple of times and I don't know what you are trying to say. If you are trying to say police are better trained than civilians, in some cases yes, in some no. Most cops are not gun people and only shoot when they qualify. If a hobbyist gun owner who trains saw a police qualification on the last day of a shooting period they would be shocked at how lousy cops shoot. I feel sorry for the range masters who have to risk themselves to qualify the cops who don't know how to shoot. If I carried a glock inside my waistband it would have a gadget. I would be stupid not too. View Quote Quotes are from ops link. |
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It's personal preference whether you use one or not, but there's really no argument against it.
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I am sure this is was wrote to induce terror in all Glock owners hearts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes It was not and any one with a high school education can parse the non emotional words and see that. I wrote it and I know exactly what I was writing about and trying to impart. Quoted:
And after reading this I wonder "How as a civilian I will ever be better than the Police?" I often get somewhat depressed watching police shoot, so yeah. Are you seriously trying to imply that the police are highly trained? Some are, most aren't. Policing is regional, training is not uniform nor standardized. So, don't think that any informed shooter is going to go along with your silly bullshit about the cops being so much better and for what it's worth as an infantry Marine, I feel the same way about military shooters. All of that being said, I welcome the chance to shoot against you |
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It was not and any one with a high school education can parse the non emotional words and see that. I wrote it and I know exactly what I was writing about and trying to impart. I often get somewhat depressed watching police shoot, so yeah. Are you seriously trying to imply that the police are highly trained? Some are, most aren't. Policing is regional, training is not uniform nor standardized. So, don't think that any informed shooter is going to go along with your silly bullshit about the cops being so much better and for what it's worth as an infantry Marine, I feel the same way about military shooters. All of that being said, I welcome the chance to shoot against you View Quote |
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Still waiting for proof this this stops so much as one ND/AD. View Quote What's it fucking matter if it could prevent an ND and anyone with a bit of common sense not bound in "I bin shooting for years and nevah needed one of those, my finger is mad safety" line of thinking can readily see? With your "logic," no one should ever ride the hammer home as they reholster a hammer fired gun because it's not proven that this practice could prevent an AD? Just summing up your poorly written posts (grammar and punctuation counts more than bold fonts and large text), the SCD is bad because there's no rigorously compiled, peer reviewed data on what it could have prevent, correct? Do you have anything else other to offer than a simplistic "this is my safety" attitude? Please don't trot out the "if you're unsafe, you just haven't trained" enough line of bullshit (but I'm sure you will). The simple fact of the matter is that folks that would for additional safety, ride the hammer home whilst reholstering a hammer fired pistol, would or do like the same capability in a Glock. Is that so hard to grasp? |
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What's it fucking matter if it could prevent an ND and anyone with a bit of common sense not bound in "I bin shooting for years and nevah needed one of those, my finger is mad safety" line of thinking can readily see? With your "logic," no one should ever ride the hammer home as they reholster a hammer fired gun because it's not proven that this practice could prevent an AD? Just summing up your poorly written posts (grammar and punctuation counts more than bold fonts and large text), the SCD is bad because there's no rigorously compiled, peer reviewed data on what it could have prevent, correct? Do you have anything else other to offer than a simplistic "this is my safety" attitude? Please don't trot out the "if you're unsafe, you just haven't trained" enough line of bullshit (but I'm sure you will). The simple fact of the matter is that folks that would for additional safety, ride the hammer home whilst reholstering a hammer fired pistol, would or do like the same capability in a Glock. Is that so hard to grasp? View Quote |
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It's not always finger discipline that's the issue. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/glock-04-162932.JPG View Quote |
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Yes. View Quote I thought as much. You're mentally ossified and incapable of pondering anything new. I'm guessing that a few year ago, you decided that you knew all there was to know about shooting, and we have to deal with your irrational argument that it's somehow wrong to want to reholster a striker fired gun as safely as one can a hammer fired gun. I'll bet you don't push yourself in competition nor in training because, ossified, because stagnant. |
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I think a lot of people are missing the major benefit to this, and it really, really appeals to the dudes who appendix carry. People who carry hammer fired pistols AIWB place their thumbs on the back of hammers when reholstering to ensure they don't fire into their groin if there is something crowding the holster. The Gadget does the same thing, placing your thumb on it during the holstering process, ensuring you can't fire into your groin in the event there is foreign material in your holster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just an aid for re-holstering. It won't stop stop the majority of ADs and NDs, but it wasn't designed to do that -- just to help reholster safely. View Quote You are absolutely correct. You can use if you want, it is a passive safety. It does not change how the weapon operates. If it is broken (not that anyone, including SouthNarc, has been able to break one), the pistol will continue to function as designed. |
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I thought as much. You're mentally ossified and incapable of pondering anything new. I'm guessing that a few year ago, you decided that you knew all there was to know about shooting, and we have to deal with your irrational argument that it's somehow wrong to want to reholster a striker fired gun as safely as one can a hammer fired gun. I'll bet you don't push yourself in competition nor in training because, ossified, because stagnant. View Quote |
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vfbg- Dude, I was really happy when jefflebowski started this thread, and I'd like to see if It could get back to topic.
jefflebowski was asking if anyone had experience with the SCD, and I think you've made it very clear that you do not. Personally, I am eager to hear if other people are using the SCD with other aftermarket triggers, and what their experiences have been. My OP DAT V2 has full functionality of the SCD, and I'm curious if that stays true across the OP brand, and how that compares to the other aftermarket triggers. Mine's in a G19 that I'm building as a Roland/Fauxland Special. The gun is off getting the RMR mounted and a high cut done to the grip, so I can't take a pic of the SCD with the trigger forward, but when I can, I'll update. Any others have experiences to share? |
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vfbg- Dude, I was really happy when jefflebowski started this thread, and I'd like to see if It could get back to topic. View Quote Definitely. You've made your point and we're all aware that you think the device is pointless. If you want to keep talking about that, take it to GD rather than further highjacking this tech thread. |
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I just found out that my original tester/beta unit was one of the very first six such manufactured and it's made out of aluminum, not machined steel like [b]all/[b] of the production units. I got it in 2011, it's got a little over 100k rounds through it. It wore to a point and stopped wearing. It. Just. Works. The data gathered from the years of testing on this one and others like it led to small changes in the production units today.
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You are absolutely correct. You can use if you want, it is a passive safety. It does not change how the weapon operates. If it is broken (not that anyone, including SouthNarc, has been able to break one), the pistol will continue to function as designed. View Quote I don't get it then -- why is there so much opposition to this? Nobody is forcing these dudes to use it -- besides, Todd G was a real shooter, more than most here could ever wish to be. He pretty much breaks everything through use -- if it didn't break and he approves, then it must be pretty durable. |
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Why not just buy a gun with a safety? View Quote QFT If you want a safety, there are many other choices for firearms. That said, the design for this safety is just odd and in an unnatural place for quick operation. If you HAD to have a Glock and HAD to have a safety, then something like the Cominolli that give you a 1911 style thumb safety would be a more prudent choice - www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/safety-parts/safeties/manual-safety-kit-for-glock--prod5532.aspx |
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It's not always finger discipline that's the issue. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/glock-04-162932.JPG View Quote That looks like negligent choice or maintenance of equipment. |
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QFT If you want a safety, there are many other choices for firearms. That said, the design for this safety is just odd and in an unnatural place for quick operation. If you HAD to have a Glock and HAD to have a safety, then something like the Cominolli that give you a 1911 style thumb safety would be a more prudent choice - www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/safety-parts/safeties/manual-safety-kit-for-glock--prod5532.aspx View Quote |
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QFT If you want a safety, there are many other choices for firearms. That said, the design for this safety is just odd and in an unnatural place for quick operation. If you HAD to have a Glock and HAD to have a safety, then something like the Cominolli that give you a 1911 style thumb safety would be a more prudent choice - www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/safety-parts/safeties/manual-safety-kit-for-glock--prod5532.aspx View Quote Its not unintutive if you've ever thumbed the hammer on a TDA gun once in your life. Thumbing the hammer is a common and recommended practice for reholstering hammer fired pistols and revolvers. On a DA gun it physically restrains the hammer from rising in the case of something working is way into the holster. I've been doing it with issued M9s and now with P229s and there's nothing unnatural about the motion. |
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It's actually pretty intuitive. I place my thumb on the back of the Glock slide anyway as I have had a slide come out of battery when holstering. It's also a natural place for it to go to get it out of the way of the holster. View Quote What do you mean by this, because at face value this does not sound natural? |
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Its not unintutive if you've ever thumbed the hammer on a TDA gun once in your life. Thumbing the hammer is a common and recommended practice for reholstering hammer fired pistols and revolvers. On a DA gun it physically restrains the hammer from rising in the case of something working is way into the holster. I've been doing it with issued M9s and now with P229s and there's nothing unnatural about the motion. View Quote I've had striker fired pistols alomost all of my time as a gun owner. I had some DA pistols when I first got into guns 15 years ago, but never used them much, never carried them and sold them after a short period of time. I guess I'm part of the millennial generation where striker fired polymer weapons are considered normal and everything else is some strange piece of history that you only see on the Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel. Question, what is this thing you call a "revolver"? Is that the thing you see in old westerns? |
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QFT If you want a safety, there are many other choices for firearms. That said, the design for this safety is just odd and in an unnatural place for quick operation. If you HAD to have a Glock and HAD to have a safety, then something like the Cominolli that give you a 1911 style thumb safety would be a more prudent choice - www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/safety-parts/safeties/manual-safety-kit-for-glock--prod5532.aspx View Quote You have to understand that this isn't a "safety" in the 1911 or M9 sense, it is just a tactile indication that your trigger is moving. Its sole purpose in life is to let you know if the trigger is moving while you reholster. Why someone wouldn't want that is beyond me, I don't get the opposition to it. |
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You have to understand that this isn't a "safety" in the 1911 or M9 sense, it is just a tactile indication that your trigger is moving. Its sole purpose in life is to let you know if the trigger is moving while you reholster. Why someone wouldn't want that is beyond me, I don't get the opposition to it. View Quote Because it's not operator Because it's messing with "perfection" Because there are many Glockaholics who think guns with external safeties are dumb and will get you killed Because people think AIWB is a dumb/stupid/dangerous way to carry Because people feel the need to do the snatch back, tactical neck snap, and reholster at mach 4 because it's the current tactical training flavor of the month Because people are gonna bitch no matter what Because #Murica Personally I really dig the concept of the SCD. |
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QFT If you want a safety, there are many other choices for firearms. That said, the design for this safety is just odd and in an unnatural place for quick operation. If you HAD to have a Glock and HAD to have a safety, then something like the Cominolli that give you a 1911 style thumb safety would be a more prudent choice - www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/safety-parts/safeties/manual-safety-kit-for-glock--prod5532.aspx View Quote One, it is not "odd and unnatural," many organizations teach reholstering with your thumb on the backplate. Which of course, begs the simple question: Have you see this device and physically tried it? The Cominolli requires permanent modification to the frame. The SCD can be installed in about 30 seconds and uninstalled in the same. |
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What do you mean by this, because at face value this does not sound natural? View Quote Attached File |
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View Quote Looks natural to me. |
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I'm still bouncing around the thought of getting one; (Really a good read OP in your write up)
Just feel $80 for a small piece seems a bit much, and wish they had them in stores to see and try before committing to $80. |
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One, it is not "odd and unnatural," many organizations teach reholstering with your thumb on the backplate. Which of course, begs the simple question: Have you see this device and physically tried it? The Cominolli requires permanent modification to the frame. The SCD can be installed in about 30 seconds and uninstalled in the same. View Quote I had not. But now that I have read more of the article and I am a little more familiar with it, it looks even more like a solution to a problem no one had. |
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What do you mean by this, because at face value this does not sound natural? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/IMG-2787-165754.JPG That what I was thinking in my head. The reason it seems so unnatural my thumb is around the side of the pistol parallel to the ground. I guess it comes down to each persons preference. Attached File |
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I think the SCD is an awesome idea and I don't get the trolling of this thread.
I thought everybody thumbed the back plate when holstering if for no other reason than making sure your gun stays in battery. I plan on getting a couple Gadgets now and one for a G42 when they are available. Anyway, looking forward to hearing some feed back after the kids go to bed. |
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That what I was thinking in my head. The reason it seems so unnatural my thumb is around the side of the pistol parallel to the ground. I guess it comes down to each persons preference. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/427565/IMG-0119-166013.JPG View Quote At first glance you may want to take care with that leather holster as it would appear that the top edge of sweat/body shield is starting to curl outward. While it may not be an issue now, sometime in the near future it could be as you reholster and that curl as it gets exaggerated curls more outward and has the potential to catch the shoe safety. |
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I had not. But now that I have read more of the article and I am a little more familiar with it, it looks even more like a solution to a problem no one had. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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One, it is not "odd and unnatural," many organizations teach reholstering with your thumb on the backplate. Which of course, begs the simple question: Have you see this device and physically tried it? The Cominolli requires permanent modification to the frame. The SCD can be installed in about 30 seconds and uninstalled in the same. I had not. But now that I have read more of the article and I am a little more familiar with it, it looks even more like a solution to a problem no one had. Yup, doubling down on judgement sans data. |
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I should probably get one when they have reduced pre-travel models. My trigger pull is quite light/short.
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I got one when they first started their fund-me. It's installed on my G19 Gen4. It works very well and is a quality build. It definitely prevents trigger pull when even lightly pressed. But it's $80 fraking dollars for two small pieces of aluminum and a roll pin. I just don't see that many being sold. Maybe it would go well at $40 or so. TYCOM View Quote If you can make one for less, then have at it. |
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If I fail to train I train to fail. I am sure this is was wrote to induce terror in all Glock owners hearts. "Well, no. Several lawsuits were filed by law enforcement personnel. Many of these lawsuits were attempting to blame Glock for negligent discharges when disassembling the pistol in order to clean as one must pull the trigger in order to disassemble it. Nonetheless, there were and inevitably will be more, lawsuits resulting from negligent discharges when attempting to reholster a Glock pistol. Some examples are: 1. An FBI agent 2. Massachusetts officer shoots hole through pants reholstering 3. Officer Bill McMahan 4. Harlan County" And after reading this I wonder "How as a civilian I will ever be better than the Police?" "So, do we have a mechanical problem with Glocks and other pistols that have the safety on the trigger or do we have a training problem? Obviously, every pistol owner should take a training class that goes beyond the good Lieutenant Colonel’s Four Rules. However, with full time law enforcement personnel experiencing negligent discharges from their issued Glocks they were trained to use, should we not expect negligent discharges from Glock owning citizens? The answer is “yes” and aside from the very real (though not widespread) danger of negligently firing a Glock when reholstering, " While we are here point out to me where I find the answer to the first sentence in my last quote. I am clearly under educated and trained as a civilian so it my be a mute point. For that I must truly apologize. View Quote If you feel like you're talking and no one is listening, you're probably right. |
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I don't need too. Between the article and the YouTube video that is enough research to say that the product is designed to solve a problem that near statistical zero. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You still have not seen one nor used one. I don't need too. Between the article and the YouTube video that is enough research to say that the product is designed to solve a problem that near statistical zero. Man dies while reholstering Or this worn holster causes discharge |
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You still have not seen one nor used one. I don't need too. Between the article and the YouTube video that is enough research to say that the product is designed to solve a problem that near statistical zero. Man dies while reholstering Or this worn holster causes discharge Jump to 30:15 and listen to how a jacket tassel caused an discharge while reholstering during a shooting class Erik Trek explains how a student's jacket tassel causing discharge in his class |
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Jump to 30:15 and listen to how a jacket tassel caused an discharge while reholstering during a shooting class Erik Trek explains how a student's jacket tassel causing discharge in his class View Quote |
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I'll just bet you don't need to train nor compete, either. View Quote Do you have any arguments that deal with the merits of the product, or will it just be more ad hominem attacks of those that don't think the product is worth the cost? |
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The same could be said of carrying a gun. View Quote |
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I would have to disagree on that. On any given night in any large city you will hear of multiple events that would justify the use of a firearm for self defense. We don't, however, hear a whole lot about negligent discharges happening when people holster their weapons, except for the 3 mentioned above. View Quote As far as NDs, how would we hear about them? Are negligent discharges going to be on the news? |
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