Posted: 7/13/2016 11:05:12 PM EDT
| Bought a Zev ultimate fulcrum for a song, is it worth putting in? Is the feel significant? |
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I have the aforementioned kit, so far I enjoy it. You'll have to spend some time playing around with the spring combos. I ultimately went with the stock striker spring, as the 2lb made the wall of the trigger too undiscernible, and even the 3lb from zev didn't give me enough of a 'wall'. The trigger itself is excellent. Even though I was starting to get to the point where the stock trigger was really cleaned up and pulling realllllll cleanly, the Zev still improved on that. One thing that I will mention is that the stock trigger shoe has got to go on future pistols. The wider safety, that lines up flush with the trigger has changed my entire perception. It feels so much better, and is very easy to get proper finger/trigger alignment. Even if I left everything else the same, the trigger shoe alone is a huge improvement.
One thing you'll notice is the reset. It has a less aggressive reset than the glock. It's still extremely tactile, and audible (more audible than stock), the reset itself feels smoother than stock. Not sure how to put words to it, but its more refined and you'll notice it on yours. Lastly, I haven't dicked around much with the adjustable screws to adjust for pre/over travel. Perhaps someone else can come along with some more info on this. Overall, it's a purchase I'd most likely make again. Some may not appreciate the upgrade, but I purchased my current gun with the intention of swapping out some internal parts. Let us know what you end up going with. |
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I've got one in my G24. Pull is about 2.75#. Crisp break, not spongy. Adjusting the pre-travel out of it was one of the main reasons I bought it. I feel it was well worth the money.
I just installed one in one of my father's Glocks about 3 weeks ago. Out of the box, the connector was defective. I fired off an e-mail to Zev and they shipped out a replacement right away. Excellent customer service. And my father is also very happy with how the upgraded trigger feels. |
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I have the Zev bar and connector in all my full size Glocks, yes there is a difference.
I have the full blown kit in a 17L that is just a toy, and it is a lil scary, completely safe, but would never dream of carrying it, range or competition only. Just stole the shoe off of a Zev bar and put on my G43, love it is an understatement. 
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I have one in my 23 and 27.
No complaints, no problems. When I first installed the 23, I had too much take up and reset adjusted out and was getting unintentional doubles. Readjusted and no issues since. I too kept the stock striker spring. Oddly, the Gen 3 23 has a completely different pull than the Gen 4 27. The 23 is as close to a single action trigger pull as I have ever felt in a striker fired pistol. Dave N |
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Did you guys buy the full kits or just the trigger and bar? I ask because I was thinking of the bar and trigger. I have a 3.5lb ghost connector in my 17 MOS right now. I only have the full kit in one toy. All my other Glocks are the adjustable fulcrum trigger bar, and I also combine that with the Zev connectors. I don't try to push any products, just tell what I have had luck with or would buy again. I am not a Ghost connector fan, the smoothest out of the package connector I have used is the Zev race connector. This is just my opinion. All my Glocks had Ghosts in them until I tried the Zev, I have tried aprox 4 different type Ghosts connectors. I have a several different Ghost connectors I'm gonna sell one day when I have time. |
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I only have the full kit in one toy. All my other Glocks are the adjustable fulcrum trigger bar, and I also combine that with the Zev connectors. I don't try to push any products, just tell what I have had luck with or would buy again. I am not a Ghost connector fan, the smoothest out of the package connector I have used is the Zev race connector. This is just my opinion. All my Glocks had Ghosts in them until I tried the Zev, I have tried aprox 4 different type Ghosts connectors. I have a several different Ghost connectors I'm gonna sell one day when I have time. Quoted:
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Did you guys buy the full kits or just the trigger and bar? I ask because I was thinking of the bar and trigger. I have a 3.5lb ghost connector in my 17 MOS right now. I only have the full kit in one toy. All my other Glocks are the adjustable fulcrum trigger bar, and I also combine that with the Zev connectors. I don't try to push any products, just tell what I have had luck with or would buy again. I am not a Ghost connector fan, the smoothest out of the package connector I have used is the Zev race connector. This is just my opinion. All my Glocks had Ghosts in them until I tried the Zev, I have tried aprox 4 different type Ghosts connectors. I have a several different Ghost connectors I'm gonna sell one day when I have time. All I have ever used was the Ghost. They have worked, but I'm certainty not above trying something else. I currently have the Suarez triggers in both of my 19's and love them. Right now I have a chance to buy a Zev trigger and bar from someone that does not want it. If I don't get it, I will get another Suarez for my 17 MOS. I was thinking that if for nothing else while I'm waiting for Suarez to get more in stock, that I might try the Zev. |
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All I have ever used was the Ghost. They have worked, but I'm certainty not above trying something else. I currently have the Suarez triggers in both of my 19's and love them. Right now I have a chance to buy a Zev trigger and bar from someone that does not want it. If I don't get it, I will get another Suarez for my 17 MOS. I was thinking that if for nothing else while I'm waiting for Suarez to get more in stock, that I might try the Zev. Quoted:
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Did you guys buy the full kits or just the trigger and bar? I ask because I was thinking of the bar and trigger. I have a 3.5lb ghost connector in my 17 MOS right now. I only have the full kit in one toy. All my other Glocks are the adjustable fulcrum trigger bar, and I also combine that with the Zev connectors. I don't try to push any products, just tell what I have had luck with or would buy again. I am not a Ghost connector fan, the smoothest out of the package connector I have used is the Zev race connector. This is just my opinion. All my Glocks had Ghosts in them until I tried the Zev, I have tried aprox 4 different type Ghosts connectors. I have a several different Ghost connectors I'm gonna sell one day when I have time. All I have ever used was the Ghost. They have worked, but I'm certainty not above trying something else. I currently have the Suarez triggers in both of my 19's and love them. Right now I have a chance to buy a Zev trigger and bar from someone that does not want it. If I don't get it, I will get another Suarez for my 17 MOS. I was thinking that if for nothing else while I'm waiting for Suarez to get more in stock, that I might try the Zev. I can only speak for myself, I would buy it if it's cheap enough, just to have. I pulled mine out of my G20, just to cannibalize the shoe to put on my 43, I like their shoes that much.
But I'm an idiot that knows what he likes. Just be sure it's the right one for your pistol, as I think there is a difference between large /small frame and Gen 3 vs 4, their website will tell ya. |
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Put the full kit in today and I'm not sure that I like it. The factory set pre-travel seems fine and the the trigger is lighter but the reset sucks. I put the 2 lbs striker spring in.
This is in a G34 - the reset is not near as crisp as the factory which could be an issue since I'm a reset shooter. I bought the gun used and unbeknownst to me it already had a Ghost connector installed. The slide always seemed rough to rack, with this trigger group installed that issue has been alleviated for whatever reason. Edit - this is the kit I used - I bought it for $100 with maybe 300 rounds on it. |
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Put the full kit in today and I'm not sure that I like it. The factory set pre-travel seems fine and the the trigger is lighter but the reset sucks. I put the 2 lbs striker spring in. This is in a G34 - the reset is not near as crisp as the factory which could be an issue since I'm a reset shooter. I bought the gun used and unbeknownst to me it already had a Ghost connector installed. The slide always seemed rough to rack, with this trigger group installed that issue has been alleviated for whatever reason. Edit - this is the kit I used - I bought it for $100 with maybe 300 rounds on it. I just wanna point this out, in case you don't know. This is a copy paste from Zev and I agree with it. The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. |
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I just wanna point this out, in case you don't know. This is a copy paste from Zev and I agree with it. The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. Quoted:
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Put the full kit in today and I'm not sure that I like it. The factory set pre-travel seems fine and the the trigger is lighter but the reset sucks. I put the 2 lbs striker spring in. This is in a G34 - the reset is not near as crisp as the factory which could be an issue since I'm a reset shooter. I bought the gun used and unbeknownst to me it already had a Ghost connector installed. The slide always seemed rough to rack, with this trigger group installed that issue has been alleviated for whatever reason. Edit - this is the kit I used - I bought it for $100 with maybe 300 rounds on it. I just wanna point this out, in case you don't know. This is a copy paste from Zev and I agree with it. The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. Yea, my 34 is a range gun - I won't do trigger mods on any of my carry guns. |
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I have the full kit in my 23 but backed off the striker spring. I used the stock.
On the 27, I have the trigger/bar and connector. I prefer the ZEV connector to the Ghost. Both work great. I leave some pre travel in for carry but the pull is ultra smooth. Dave N |
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The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). |
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It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). Quoted:
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The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). You kinda lost me, you say 4% failure is unacceptable, I agree. The gun was proven prior to the reduced power striker spring change, so why would I not judge that part as not being cc ready for that gun (the G43) ? Just an FYI: It functioned fine with reduced power spring with training/range ammo, just not my carry load, and I'm not gonna switch my carry load. Edit to add: You did give me an idea, I just remembered there is a full Zev kit laying in the parts box. Gonna check to see if the strikers are same size for a 43 as a 17, if so woo hoo, reduced spring and a nice lil Zev striker in my 43. Please fit. |
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You kinda lost me, you say 4% failure is unacceptable, I agree. The gun was proven prior to the reduced power striker spring change, so why would I not judge that part as not being cc ready for that gun (the G43) ? Just an FYI: It functioned fine with reduced power spring with training/range ammo, just not my carry load, and I'm not gonna switch my carry load. We're on the same page. I just wouldn't want anyone to read Zev's disclaimer and automatically assume such modifications always yield an unreliable gun. A modification and/or gun is never reliable or unreliable until it proves to be such. BTW, what is your carry load? |
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We're on the same page. I just wouldn't want anyone to read Zev's disclaimer and automatically assume such modifications always yield an unreliable gun. A modification and/or gun is never reliable or unreliable until it proves to be such. BTW, what is your carry load? Quoted:
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You kinda lost me, you say 4% failure is unacceptable, I agree. The gun was proven prior to the reduced power striker spring change, so why would I not judge that part as not being cc ready for that gun (the G43) ? Just an FYI: It functioned fine with reduced power spring with training/range ammo, just not my carry load, and I'm not gonna switch my carry load. We're on the same page. I just wouldn't want anyone to read Zev's disclaimer and automatically assume such modifications always yield an unreliable gun. A modification and/or gun is never reliable or unreliable until it proves to be such. BTW, what is your carry load? Underwood 124gr speer bonded +P https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger-p-124-grain-bonded-jacket-hollow-point-1/ I understand what you are saying about disclaimers. What concerns me, is that I will test 500-1000rds if I make a change like we discussed, before carrying, some people pop in parts and think that's ok. Sounds like you test proof as well, and I do agree if you are gonna run anyone's reduced power striker spring, you should probably use the lighter and longer pin striker, in my opinion. Looking forward to seeing this evening if all of the strikers are the same size. 
I have already stolen a Zev shoe from my poor G20 and put on the 43 bar, feels great. |
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It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). Quoted:
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The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). Shot this trigger today, I can tell you there's no way in hell I'm carrying it. I didn't have any light strikes in a couple hundred rounds, granted I do have their firing pin, but that trigger is to light for carry. Add in the fact that the safety is wider than the factory, re-holstering might cause a pucker factor. FYI - I put this in a gun I never intended on carrying anyways - G34. |
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Shot this trigger today, I can tell you there's no way in hell I'm carrying it. I didn't have any light strikes in a couple hundred rounds, granted I do have their firing pin, but that trigger is to light for carry. Add in the fact that the safety is wider than the factory, re-holstering might cause a pucker factor. FYI - I put this in a gun I never intended on carrying anyways - G34. Quoted:
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The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). Shot this trigger today, I can tell you there's no way in hell I'm carrying it. I didn't have any light strikes in a couple hundred rounds, granted I do have their firing pin, but that trigger is to light for carry. Add in the fact that the safety is wider than the factory, re-holstering might cause a pucker factor. FYI - I put this in a gun I never intended on carrying anyways - G34. I hope you liked it, they take some getting used to if you are used to a stock Glock. |
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I hope you liked it, they take some getting used to if you are used to a stock Glock. Quoted:
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The Fulcrum Ultimate Kit comes with all the components to replace the entire factory firing assembly.. *ZEV Technologies recommends this for competition use ONLY* Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but the reduced power striker spring and striker can result in light primer strikes. I toyed this weekend with a reduced power striker spring, in a G43, trigger felt really good, but had 2 light strikes in a box of 50 self defense load, so took it out. It's just a legal disclaimer. Nobody wants too much responsibility in anything. Take it with a grain of salt... I have reduced power springs in 3 Glocks, and have never once experienced a light strike in any of them. One of them is competition/range only and sees a fair amount of use. It and my G19 both have ZEV's extended tip striker to reduce the chances of a light strike. A reliable gun is a reliable gun whether aftermarket parts are present or not. If 2000 rounds later, you've never had a light strike on reduced power springs, then why trust it for carry? And on the same token, a gun that has light strikes 4% of the time is certainly not fit for carry. Let the gun try to prove itself before you judge any one part of it (as you did with your G43). Shot this trigger today, I can tell you there's no way in hell I'm carrying it. I didn't have any light strikes in a couple hundred rounds, granted I do have their firing pin, but that trigger is to light for carry. Add in the fact that the safety is wider than the factory, re-holstering might cause a pucker factor. FYI - I put this in a gun I never intended on carrying anyways - G34. I hope you liked it, they take some getting used to if you are used to a stock Glock. I like it but I don't notice the reset, the first pull really got me as you don't feel it break. I'd guess the pull weight is similar to yours. |