Posted: 7/15/2015 1:50:57 AM EDT
| Looking at getting a new Gen 4 G19. Have the option of getting either a USA made one or the standard Austria made one. I like the idea of getting US made, so if all else is equal, that's probably the way I'll go, but was wanting some input here before making the final call. What says the hive? |
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The finish is visibly different. Not sure on the chemical process that makes it different, or if one is better or worse, but you can see it. You can see variations between Austrian vs Austrian batches to if you look hard enough. One batch to another they never match perfectly always have slight variations (maybe one batch was in the mix 36 seconds longer or the mix was 1.2 degrees warmer.) My G23.4 and G19.4 both Austrian are slightly different and the G23 was made at least a few years the G19. |
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Quoted: I could turn that around and say I bought the Austrian one because it looked better than the USA one right next to it in the glass case. Finish just depends on the batch not necessarily USA or Austria. Quoted: Quoted: USA finishes are better, IME I could turn that around and say I bought the Austrian one because it looked better than the USA one right next to it in the glass case. Finish just depends on the batch not necessarily USA or Austria. I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know?  |
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I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know?
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USA finishes are better, IME I could turn that around and say I bought the Austrian one because it looked better than the USA one right next to it in the glass case. Finish just depends on the batch not necessarily USA or Austria. I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know?
What is the difference? |
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Quoted: What is the difference? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: USA finishes are better, IME I could turn that around and say I bought the Austrian one because it looked better than the USA one right next to it in the glass case. Finish just depends on the batch not necessarily USA or Austria. I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know? What is the difference? I'm neither a chemist nor a metallurgist. I don't know. |
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I'm neither a chemist nor a metallurgist. I don't know. All I can tell you is to repeat that IME, The USA finishes are better (read: more durable) than the Austrian finishes. This was confirmed by a Glock (Smyrna, GA) employee who I spoke to about this very issue at a recent GSSF match. Take it for what it's worth. YMMV, etc. Quoted:
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USA finishes are better, IME I could turn that around and say I bought the Austrian one because it looked better than the USA one right next to it in the glass case. Finish just depends on the batch not necessarily USA or Austria. I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know?
What is the difference? I'm neither a chemist nor a metallurgist. I don't know. All I can tell you is to repeat that IME, The USA finishes are better (read: more durable) than the Austrian finishes. This was confirmed by a Glock (Smyrna, GA) employee who I spoke to about this very issue at a recent GSSF match. Take it for what it's worth. YMMV, etc. So he just said its better and left it at that ? no other reasons, processes or specs to say why its better ? |
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So he just said its better and left it at that ? no other reasons, processes or specs to say why its better ? My understanding from what I had read and heard was the USA models were the reason Glock changed the finish and that the Austrian ones were changed to the current/new finish to be the same as the USA models. The reason for the finish change was EPA rules and the Tennifer treatment used cyanides that were not allowed in the USA. On the Glock employee telling someone that sounds like they were just up-selling the USA model or really did not know how the process worked. It is not the first time a company has fudged some information and why would they make one that was less or more durable. Who here has a USA and Austrian model Glock that have the same newer finish? |
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I have Gen 3s and 4s (all 19s) made in USA and Austria. They shoot the same, but the barrel lockup has more vertical play on the USA made guns. The barrels fit like they used to back in the Gen 3 days. I wonder, whether or not this is the case, if there is any correlation between ammo pickiness and USA vs Austria-made in G42s? |
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The original Tenifer(SP) finish in Austria had cyanide in it's chemical make up. The EPA will not allow Glock to use cyanide here in the US, hence why the US made weapons have a different finish. They are no longer using Tenifer. I believe just about everyone except Walther have switched to a form of the melonite process. Essentially the same process same end result just different chemicals to inject Nitrogen into the surface metal. |
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After much consideration, I decided to go with the Austrian G19. My LGS had a USA version, and a few Austrians. A co-worker of mine also wanted a G19, and picked up the USA version, due to the theoretically better finish (both looked the same to me). I had dry fired both, and to me the Austrian one had a nicer, smoother trigger. I think it was just that particular pistol, as another Austrian version they had in the back had a trigger that wasn't as nice either. However, the one I picked up had a nice smooth trigger break right at 4# even. I figured a nice breaking trigger was more important to me than the possibly more durable finish. What would you have decided?
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I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know?
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USA finishes are better, IME I could turn that around and say I bought the Austrian one because it looked better than the USA one right next to it in the glass case. Finish just depends on the batch not necessarily USA or Austria. I'm not talking about looks. I'm talking about durability. This was confirmed to me by a Glock employee whose area of expertise is finishing. But what does he know?
I have also heard this from a good source. |