[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 19 vs 17 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/29/2015 11:05:03 AM EDT
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I know the 19 is the trendy pick here, but does anyone else prefer the grip of the 17 to the 19? I own several glocks of different sizes, but find more and more the 19/23 size is probably my least favorite. The grooves just don't line up well for me and my pinky is at an awkward spot, the 17 size is like a glove.
Now I realize the 19 makes a TON of sense as an all purpose gun and conceals easier. But more and more I find I shoot that size the worst, and may fall into the 17/26 camp with no true one does it all solution. It might be a minority position, but that's where I'm at. And my hands aren't particularly big, I would say finger length is average while palm width is slightly large, and that is the issue. |
| The compact pistol trend makes sense for concealed carry, other than that its pretty dumb to choose a compact over a service pistol. My agency stated that the reason they went with a compact was less fatigue and easier handling for women. Very lame. The fact is 99% of shooters will score more hits with a full sized gun, this includes women. When my agency switched from a service auto to a compact for general duty I saw scores drop on average by over 40 points. They had to abandon any ideas of a 50 yard portion of the qual which was slated to be mandated (we were already shooting it just not scoring). 360 shooters are a thing of the past and I have to run remedials for guys who shot well into the 300 range with the service pistol. Now for plain clothes it makes sense, not for duty. That being said we didn't go with a Glock and there was a bigger size difference between our service pistol and the new compact than exists between a G17 & G19. |
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I felt that way at first but found the solution. There is actually less room between the top finger groove and the bottom of the trigger guard on the G19 when compared to the G17. This throws the alignment of the grooves off for me. Undercut the trigger guard on the 19 and your fingers will probably line up with the grooves better. I undercut both my 19's slightly and smoothed out the bottom of the trigger guard to avoid "Glock Knuckle." Makes them fit my hand like a glove. <a href="http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/sparky-kb/media/Guns%20and%20Gear/FDE%20Gen%204%20Glock%2019/PhotoGrid_1396307555483_zpszaqsiz42.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i394/sparky-kb/Guns%20and%20Gear/FDE%20Gen%204%20Glock%2019/PhotoGrid_1396307555483_zpszaqsiz42.jpg</a> Looks like you also changed out the trigger for a smooth trigger. Where did you get that? |
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Looks like you also changed out the trigger for a smooth trigger. Where did you get that? I installed a standard G17/22 trigger bar into it. I put smooth faced triggers on all my Glocks that didn't come with them. You can find them online. http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/trigger-parts/triggers/trigger-w-trigger-bar-prod23040.aspx Doesn't say it fits the G19 but it does. |
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I installed a standard G17/22 trigger bar into it. I put smooth faced triggers on all my Glocks that didn't come with them. You can find them online. http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/trigger-parts/triggers/trigger-w-trigger-bar-prod23040.aspx Doesn't say it fits the G19 but it does. Quoted:
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Looks like you also changed out the trigger for a smooth trigger. Where did you get that? I installed a standard G17/22 trigger bar into it. I put smooth faced triggers on all my Glocks that didn't come with them. You can find them online. http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/trigger-parts/triggers/trigger-w-trigger-bar-prod23040.aspx Doesn't say it fits the G19 but it does. I do the same for mine. G17 triggers for my 19 and 26. |
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I do the same for mine. G17 triggers for my 19 and 26. Quoted:
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Looks like you also changed out the trigger for a smooth trigger. Where did you get that? I installed a standard G17/22 trigger bar into it. I put smooth faced triggers on all my Glocks that didn't come with them. You can find them online. http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/trigger-parts/triggers/trigger-w-trigger-bar-prod23040.aspx Doesn't say it fits the G19 but it does. I do the same for mine. G17 triggers for my 19 and 26. Two things I hate about compact and subs ..... Ribbed triggers and plastic sights. |
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The G17/34 frame it is perfectly fitted to my hand. I carry a 19 only because it is easier to conceal than the full size. The 19 is a little small in my hands but is good enough. Same here; the gen 4 full size 17/34 frame without a back strap is almost absolutely perfect in my hand. I carry a full size m&p 9 with a light during the cold months, but now that I have a gen 3 17 and a gen 4 34, I may consider putting the 17 slide on the 34 frame and making it a winter carry also. I have a gen 4 19 too but I don't carry it b/c my M&P feels more comfortable in my hand and during the warmer months wearing less clothes I carry a P938. |
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now that I have a gen 3 17 and a gen 4 34, I may consider putting the 17 slide on the 34 frame and making it a winter carry also. I've saw on another forum what someone from Glock said about using a Gen 3 slide on Gen 4 frame. They said that it will work but eventually result in frame damage. If you really want to carry a Gen 4 grip I'd probably just carry the 34 as is or sell the Gen 3 17 and buy a Gen 4. That opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it though 
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Looks like you also changed out the trigger for a smooth trigger. Where did you get that? I installed a standard G17/22 trigger bar into it. I put smooth faced triggers on all my Glocks that didn't come with them. You can find them online. http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/trigger-parts/triggers/trigger-w-trigger-bar-prod23040.aspx Doesn't say it fits the G19 but it does. I do the same for mine. G17 triggers for my 19 and 26. Two things I hate about compact and subs ..... Ribbed triggers and plastic sights. Agree and thanks for the link. I'll be doing that on my compacts and subs. I do ONE other thing as well, I do put in ghost connectors. |
| I have smaller hands and the 19 fits like it was made just for me. Nothing at all wrong with the 17, but when I hold a 17 there's about .75" extra grip sticking out the bottom of my hand. Yes, it's two extra rounds, but it's also extra real estate that I've got to conceal but that I'm not using. So, really the 19 is a full size for me and the 17 is like an over sized model. This is what's so great that they offer all these options, so you can find what works best for you. BTW, I would consider the 19 as much of a service pistol as the 17. |
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My 19s all have the finger-humps removed and the trigger-guard undercut--they feel great.
THAT SAID, I'm having a REALLY hard time getting around to cutting down my G17 to a G19L... I like the forgiveness of the extra grip and even though I have pretty small hands, I worry cutting it down will make it feel even shorter than the G19 due to how the base will not flare out at all (and the hump will be different--though I'm prepared to remove the hump). |
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I have both a 17.4 and 19.4.
With that said I carry the 19 the most due to size but shoot the 17 a smidge better. It's really almost too close to tell. The 17 is my house gun and lives a plush life of safe > nightstand > safe most days while the 19 goes with me everywhere. I'll be picking up another 17 this week and turning it into a 19L so.....that will probably be what gets carried / shot the most here in the future. I undercut the trigger guard and cut the grooves off the 19 and its even more awesome than it was stock. |
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The compact pistol trend makes sense for concealed carry, other than that its pretty dumb to choose a compact over a service pistol. My agency stated that the reason they went with a compact was less fatigue and easier handling for women. Very lame. The fact is 99% of shooters will score more hits with a full sized gun, this includes women. When my agency switched from a service auto to a compact for general duty I saw scores drop on average by over 40 points. They had to abandon any ideas of a 50 yard portion of the qual which was slated to be mandated (we were already shooting it just not scoring). 360 shooters are a thing of the past and I have to run remedials for guys who shot well into the 300 range with the service pistol. Now for plain clothes it makes sense, not for duty. That being said we didn't go with a Glock and there was a bigger size difference between our service pistol and the new compact than exists between a G17 & G19. By some of the assertions you posted, I think I know what you are talking about, and I have to disagree. In this case, I think the very different triggers are what were responisble for the lower scores, not the size of the gun. Since you haven't chosen to be more specific, I'll leave it at that unless you feel comfortable sharing more specifics about your situation. |
| Gen 3 G17 owner here. Grip fits me perfect. I don't conceal it so I don't care about that quality though I know it can be done (I'm 6'2", 190#). I've held a G19 and it was good too but the G17 was perfection for me. I have long slim hands though. Might be different for sausage fingers. |
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I know the 19 is the trendy pick here, but does anyone else prefer the grip of the 17 to the 19? I own several glocks of different sizes, but find more and more the 19/23 size is probably my least favorite. The grooves just don't line up well for me and my pinky is at an awkward spot, the 17 size is like a glove. Now I realize the 19 makes a TON of sense as an all purpose gun and conceals easier. But more and more I find I shoot that size the worst, and may fall into the 17/26 camp with no true one does it all solution. It might be a minority position, but that's where I'm at. And my hands aren't particularly big, I would say finger length is average while palm width is slightly large, and that is the issue. I myself am not a fan of the 19 grip. Maybe its because I have man hands and not the dainty demure hands that many folks have but yeah it truely does not work for me. I understand the appeal of the 19 being the size that it is and its versatility and all. I myself am a 17 guy. I know i will get some flack from insulting the great 19 but I'm telling ya it aint for me. |
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I myself am not a fan of the 19 grip. Maybe its because I have man hands and not the dainty demure hands that many folks have but yeah it truely does not work for me. I understand the appeal of the 19 being the size that it is and its versatility and all. I myself am a 17 guy. I know i will get some flack from insulting the great 19 but I'm telling ya it aint for me. Quoted:
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I know the 19 is the trendy pick here, but does anyone else prefer the grip of the 17 to the 19? I own several glocks of different sizes, but find more and more the 19/23 size is probably my least favorite. The grooves just don't line up well for me and my pinky is at an awkward spot, the 17 size is like a glove. Now I realize the 19 makes a TON of sense as an all purpose gun and conceals easier. But more and more I find I shoot that size the worst, and may fall into the 17/26 camp with no true one does it all solution. It might be a minority position, but that's where I'm at. And my hands aren't particularly big, I would say finger length is average while palm width is slightly large, and that is the issue. I myself am not a fan of the 19 grip. Maybe its because I have man hands and not the dainty demure hands that many folks have but yeah it truely does not work for me. I understand the appeal of the 19 being the size that it is and its versatility and all. I myself am a 17 guy. I know i will get some flack from insulting the great 19 but I'm telling ya it aint for me. No I think a lot of people are with you, I certainly am. My Gen 4 17/22/34 feel like they are made just for me. Love that frame, love the gen 4 texture, and love the thickness with no straps. |
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I have had a G19 for several years, but I recently bought a G17 and can't believe how nice it feels compared to the 19. It fits my hand much better and I like the balance of it. I won't be getting rid of my G19 anytime soon, but I can see that my 17 will be my new favorite from now on........
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| The G19 is "trendy" for a reason. Its one of the best all round handguns ever made but that said, it's grip is not for everybody. As some others have stated, the G19 does not fit well for those of us with larger hands. I had to have my G19.3 heavily modified to better fit my hand and even after those mods, my factory stock G17.3 fits me better and I shoot it better. I personally find the G17 too big for CCW buts its my go to gun for everything else. |
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My hand is very cramped on a G19, but is just fine on the G17. I intend on getting a 19 one day, but my only Glocks as of now are a G17.2 and G21.4, and the G21 is my carry gun. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of small guns and the G19 will be the smallest pistol I own when I get around to buying one. |
| To each his own. I have glocks in 26 x 1 (CCW), 19 x 4 (HD and winter CCW), 17 x 4 ("trainers" and 3 gun backups), 34 x 1 (3 gun) , 23 x 1 (garage/saddlebag gun-don't even like it) and 21SF x 1 (hunting sidearm). I carried a 19 in the mil and a 17 right now as a contractor. My fav is the 19- all around versatile. The 17 is a great service pistol IMO, esp. if concealment isn't necessary,but I would still rather have the 19, any day, any situation. Different strokes. |
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I know the 19 is the trendy pick here, but does anyone else prefer the grip of the 17 to the 19? I own several glocks of different sizes, but find more and more the 19/23 size is probably my least favorite. The grooves just don't line up well for me and my pinky is at an awkward spot, the 17 size is like a glove. Now I realize the 19 makes a TON of sense as an all purpose gun and conceals easier. But more and more I find I shoot that size the worst, and may fall into the 17/26 camp with no true one does it all solution. It might be a minority position, but that's where I'm at. And my hands aren't particularly big, I would say finger length is average while palm width is slightly large, and that is the issue. No, I greatly prefer the 19 to the 17. I don't really like either, but the 19 is useable. The 17 is a complete no go for me. If you have me one for free, I'd sell it so I could get a 19. |
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Glock +2 helps my grip on the 19 <a href="http://s839.photobucket.com/user/donovanmb/media/56359CBE-5635-4FA5-97C2-771906ECEDF1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz315/donovanmb/56359CBE-5635-4FA5-97C2-771906ECEDF1.jpg</a> You use G17 mag springs in the G19 mags with the +2 baseplate? I've been considering converting some of my G19 mags this way. |
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Personally I find the finger bumps on my 19.4 force my hand into a nice high and tight grip. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile To explain it better, when I grip it I make a slight regrip getting my pinky in the bottom groove and squeezing the rest in tight between it and the trigger guard. The result is a high and firm grip. If you hate you hate it but those finger grooves can be sanded off and then you might like it better. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I'm with the OP, too. I've been stewing over whether to get a G17 or 19, and I happened to stop by a shop just today to test-fit them. The last finger bump on the 19 hits in the middle of where my little finger falls, whereas the 17 fits perfectly. In addition, the 19 just feels skimpy to me, while the 17 is just right.
Maybe part of it has to do with the fact my go-to Glock is a Gen 2 M21, and I love the feel of it. The 17 is just about a half-inch longer in the grip and the same in the slide, so they're not really all that much different. The 17, though, is just enough roomier in the grip to fit right. |
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I have smaller hands and the 19 fits like it was made just for me. Nothing at all wrong with the 17, but when I hold a 17 there's about .75" extra grip sticking out the bottom of my hand. Yes, it's two extra rounds, but it's also extra real estate that I've got to conceal but that I'm not using. So, really the 19 is a full size for me and the 17 is like an over sized model. This is what's so great that they offer all these options, so you can find what works best for you. BTW, I would consider the 19 as much of a service pistol as the 17. Agree on all this. I shoot a 17 in competition due to improved velocity with target loads, and increased round count. Actually, I have a 34 barrel in my 17. I have used my 19 in competition, and probably shoot it better. |
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You use G17 mag springs in the G19 mags with the +2 baseplate? I've been considering converting some of my G19 mags this way. Quoted:
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Glock +2 helps my grip on the 19 <a href="http://s839.photobucket.com/user/donovanmb/media/56359CBE-5635-4FA5-97C2-771906ECEDF1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz315/donovanmb/56359CBE-5635-4FA5-97C2-771906ECEDF1.jpg</a> You use G17 mag springs in the G19 mags with the +2 baseplate? I've been considering converting some of my G19 mags this way. No I use same 19 springs without issue |