[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Military Use of Glock (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/21/2005 6:28:54 AM EDT
| Anyone have any links or information on US or any other military use of Glocks? Not to discount the Austrians but I think that is sort of a given. |
i am sure some people are carrying glocks. many soldiers buy their own sidearms, just like police officers. But i guess govenment is not purchasing glocks for them. (but there's gotta be some armed service that's using it.) |
There have been some pictures of individual soldiers carrying personal Glocks but the Marine Corp didn't buy 10,000 G37s. Somewhere along the lines I'm sure a couple of the branches got a hold of one or two to T&E and maybe some of the smaller communities can open purchase Glocks for various missions but there is no widespread use of them. |
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OrionSix I hope this helps: I do not know of any links you can go to, but I am currently in Baghdad. I have seen a FEW U.S. Military personal with Glocks (17s I presume based on the size and the NATO req. for 9mm). I have also seen some European troops with G17s. Norwegean I think? One of those countrieshat No, service members are not buying their own weapons. Not without going through large amounts of red tape and bullshit. Soldiers and Contractors alike have the problem of getting personal gear OUT of Iraq. Yes, it is easy to get stuff in but not so easy to get it out. This is not just firearms but optics ect. Personal weapons are pretty much a no-go in todays military. Special Ops indiviuals included, although those guys get issued different pistols M-9, 1911, Sig, Glock ect. It just happens to be what that particular unit issues and so on. A lot of "Commanders Discretion" Shit. Standard issue is one thing, but that does not mean that it is not used at some leval. Keep in mind that an MP-5 is not standard either but some units use them for special purposes. Contractor. P.S. Those of us in the contract business are using mostly 17s and 19s. 9mm because it is widely avail. in this region and through the Govt. and Military. Keep in mind that even those of us that our "outside" of the military bullshit are really not that far "outside" we are issued are weapons based on who the contract is for: Govt. Private Co. and so on. Some weapons are "aquired" locally but not many. |
Be VERY careful with those. Those are made to Norweigian spec, NOT GLOCK spec! Trust me on this one. Do not count on those for anything more than a range mag! |
| I know for a fact (because I helped unload them from a 7 ton) that some of the ICDC are carrying G19s. Also, one of my buddies who just got back with the 24th MEU said that the majority of the Hilla SWAT (Iraqis) were pieces of shit and everytime they got shot up real bad they would sell their (compliments of the US govt.) issue G19s for about 100 bucks to the first taker so they would have some money to run with. |
Exactly! I think the lack of external safety automatically leaves Glock out of standard military requirements.
If I was a betting man I'd bet that "rumor" is completely and totally false! |
I don't want to sound like I’m arguing with you but the last I heard there were only "a few" G18s in the United States so I'm curious to hear what LE agencies are using the G18. |
Not trying to be an argumentative ass, but why would the US Army even entertain and test the Sig P-226 in the JSSAP trials if the military required an external safety??? chissel |
I don't know if it's bullshit or what but I've heard that Amtrak (the train Co) Police had/have G18s. But when I do a search all I find about them regards .40 cal Glocks. |
I thought the G18 was an LE only market. I have heard of LE sales, but never any military. Who's military uses it? I would think in general the G18 would not be concidered for general military use. They switched to burst fire on rifles, why would they want full auto on a pistol that would be even more difficult to control than a rifle in full auto. BTY... I have fired a G18... so I gave a bit of a clue of what I speak. Neat 'toy', but I see extremely limited use. The typical "joe" would have no real advantage except for maybe having a 33 round magazine available. |
Maybe there was an exemption if it had a decocker? The Glock wasn't even in the US during the JSSAP testing, I thing the Glock didn't get here until 1986-87, I bought my first one used in 1987. The SIG actually beat the Beretta IIRC, but since both passed and the Beretta was cheaper thats what they went with. |
I'm probably talking out my ass  
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And IIRC Beretta had a plant in Maryland too right? I think that was another big factor in going with them. |
Which ever company was to be awarded the contract had to build the guns here in the US. I think they pretty much put this into any military contract for weapons which is why FN has the factory in SC. |
Yep and the fact that Italy threatened to shut down our airbases in their country if we didn't buy their POS pistols. Not that the Berretta is utter crap, but it is not a military pistol in my mind. Just too big, and too clumsy, and to many safety's to shit-dick around with. |
If I remember correctly, NONE of the submitted pistols actually PASSED the very harsh tests as performed my the US Army. The original test was performed by the Air Force (Why them?) and only the Beretta passed. The Army claimed that the testing protocol was not followed correctly and retested the pistols. This testing resulted in the failure of all entries. But the best two, the 92 and the 226 were declared eligible. The unit price of the Sig was lower than the Beretta, but when the price packaged included spare parts the Beretta was declared the victor. The 1911 was also run with the new entries as a control, IIRC its failure rate was pretty dismal. It has been a long time since I read up on JSSAP, but this is how I recall it. Also I think the specs called for an external hammer and a safe method of lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber. Both of these precluded the Glock (as built) of course. Also by year two, units had to be coming off of an American assembly line. If my facts are not straight, I hope they will be corrected. chissel |
Thats a negative there M4arc, that is not what what I saying. I was just trying to bring up a point about military pistols like the M11 that has no external safety. Next time I will use  instead of ???chissel |
I knew where you were coming from, it's all good
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| The reason our armed services don't use Glocks is because of the contract. To receive a government contract one of the stipulations is that after 5 years you have to reveal all your manufacturing processes. Gaston Glock basically told Uncle Sam to "kiss his ass", he wasn't going to give anyone his formula for his polymer frame. He had enough international sales and didn't need the money. Therefore our servicemen and women have the POS, self exploding Berettas. |
| The reason our armed services don't use Glocks is because of the contract. To receive a government contract one of the stipulations is that after 5 years you have to reveal all your manufacturing processes. Gaston Glock basically told Uncle Sam to "kiss his ass", he wasn't going to give anyone his formula for his polymer frame. He had enough international sales and didn't need the money. Therefore our servicemen and women have the POS, self exploding Berettas. |
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I'm willing to bet that there are far more Glocks in use as personally owned weapons that anything else, at least as far as US forces are concerned. I've never personally seen a Glock in the US Army in the past seven years... I'd love to take mine on my upcoming deployment, but that's not going to happen... 
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Gee...and I thought only them there Glocks self exploded 
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Lumpy196 posted a pic a while back of a young man in the Army carrying a G19. |
I have a couple, that other than being older generation, seem to work fine. They do have the Glock Logo printed on the back, in addition to the Norwegian Shield and Crown. The metal lining is black, not silver, but it internally has the same dimensions as older generation Glock mags I've opened up. Some people here have mentioned Norwegian mags that didn't have as much metal lining as most old NFML mags, but I didn't find that in mine. |
Just because he was carrying it, doesn't mean it was authorized... 
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