Posted: 8/22/2014 10:58:07 AM EDT
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10 yards. For my purpose I'm not going to be shooting a pistol past that. Non-magnified pistol optic past 10-15 yards really does me no good. He was blind the whole time. Que? Huh? Why else limit to 10 yards with an optic? |
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10 yards. For my purpose I'm not going to be shooting a pistol past that. Non-magnified pistol optic past 10-15 yards really does me no good. He was blind the whole time. Que? Huh? Why else limit to 10 yards with an optic? Because 15 yards is the farthest I can shoot a pistol here for both indoor and outdoor ranges. As I said, it does me no good. You know what they say when you assume, right? |
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Because 15 yards is the farthest I can shoot a pistol here for both indoor and outdoor ranges. As I said, it does me no good. You know what they say when you assume, right? Most outdoor ranges have a 100 yard range don't they? Where are you that people don't shoot rifles? Saying you needed magnified optics at greater distance is a stronger indication of eye trouble than range limitations. |
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10 Yards is a good zero for pistols. It has a similar pattern as the 50 yard zero on an AR15. Rises for a little but, the POI again a bit later. Much combat effective. Wow. This has been my experience in the 2 1/2 years I've been running RMRs on pistols. 10 yards gives you eyeball accuracy at 10 yards and closer, and minute o' chest at farther ranges. Lets face it - its still a handgun. It's not a sniper pistol. 
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Most outdoor ranges have a 100 yard range don't they? Where are you that people don't shoot rifles? Saying you needed magnified optics at greater distance is a stronger indication of eye trouble than range limitations. Quoted:
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Because 15 yards is the farthest I can shoot a pistol here for both indoor and outdoor ranges. As I said, it does me no good. You know what they say when you assume, right? Most outdoor ranges have a 100 yard range don't they? Where are you that people don't shoot rifles? Saying you needed magnified optics at greater distance is a stronger indication of eye trouble than range limitations. wtf good is shooting a pistol at 100 yards or even 50 yards? why the hell would you even waste your time? for fun? yeah ok, but to waste your time zeroing a non-magnified optic on a pistol at those distances or a distance past 25 yards is basically stupid. use the tool for what it's intended for, close shooting. you've got to be shitting me with that crap  . How about we get into a gun fight and I'll take my AR after you at 100 yards and you can have your RMR Glock.
I have 20/15 vision by the way. You've really got to stop with that assuming stuff. You're really looking like an ass. The indoor ranges here go to 15 yards. The only outdoor range I have access to has a pistol range out to 15 yards, a 50 yard rifle range, and a 100 yard rifle range. You can't put anything at a distance different from those. You're good at this game
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lol no one is talking about distance of effectiveness; we're talking about a zero. what's yours zeroed at? 100 yards? Quoted:
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A handgun is effective to 100m if you know what you're doing. lol no one is talking about distance of effectiveness; we're talking about a zero. what's yours zeroed at? 100 yards? 50. Slow down, take deep breaths. |
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wtf good is shooting a pistol at 100 yards or even 50 yards? why the hell would you even waste your time? for fun? yeah ok, but to waste your time zeroing a non-magnified optic on a pistol at those distances or a distance past 25 yards is basically stupid. use the tool for what it's intended for, close shooting. you've got to be shitting me with that crap . How about we get into a gun fight and I'll take my AR after you at 100 yards and you can have your RMR Glock.
I have 20/15 vision by the way. You've really got to stop with that assuming stuff. You're really looking like an ass. The indoor ranges here go to 15 yards. The only outdoor range I have access to has a pistol range out to 15 yards, a 50 yard rifle range, and a 100 yard rifle range. You can't put anything at a distance different from those. You're good at this game Quoted:
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Because 15 yards is the farthest I can shoot a pistol here for both indoor and outdoor ranges. As I said, it does me no good. You know what they say when you assume, right? Most outdoor ranges have a 100 yard range don't they? Where are you that people don't shoot rifles? Saying you needed magnified optics at greater distance is a stronger indication of eye trouble than range limitations. wtf good is shooting a pistol at 100 yards or even 50 yards? why the hell would you even waste your time? for fun? yeah ok, but to waste your time zeroing a non-magnified optic on a pistol at those distances or a distance past 25 yards is basically stupid. use the tool for what it's intended for, close shooting. you've got to be shitting me with that crap . How about we get into a gun fight and I'll take my AR after you at 100 yards and you can have your RMR Glock.
I have 20/15 vision by the way. You've really got to stop with that assuming stuff. You're really looking like an ass. The indoor ranges here go to 15 yards. The only outdoor range I have access to has a pistol range out to 15 yards, a 50 yard rifle range, and a 100 yard rifle range. You can't put anything at a distance different from those. You're good at this game For 10 yards I'd just stick with irons, I personally don't see the use for an RMR at close ranges. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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For 10 yards I'd just stick with irons, I personally don't see the use for an RMR at close ranges. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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Because 15 yards is the farthest I can shoot a pistol here for both indoor and outdoor ranges. As I said, it does me no good. You know what they say when you assume, right? Most outdoor ranges have a 100 yard range don't they? Where are you that people don't shoot rifles? Saying you needed magnified optics at greater distance is a stronger indication of eye trouble than range limitations. wtf good is shooting a pistol at 100 yards or even 50 yards? why the hell would you even waste your time? for fun? yeah ok, but to waste your time zeroing a non-magnified optic on a pistol at those distances or a distance past 25 yards is basically stupid. use the tool for what it's intended for, close shooting. you've got to be shitting me with that crap . How about we get into a gun fight and I'll take my AR after you at 100 yards and you can have your RMR Glock.
I have 20/15 vision by the way. You've really got to stop with that assuming stuff. You're really looking like an ass. The indoor ranges here go to 15 yards. The only outdoor range I have access to has a pistol range out to 15 yards, a 50 yard rifle range, and a 100 yard rifle range. You can't put anything at a distance different from those. You're good at this game For 10 yards I'd just stick with irons, I personally don't see the use for an RMR at close ranges. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile quicker acquisition? |
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50. Slow down, take deep breaths. Quoted:
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A handgun is effective to 100m if you know what you're doing. lol no one is talking about distance of effectiveness; we're talking about a zero. what's yours zeroed at? 100 yards? 50. Slow down, take deep breaths.
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Because 15 yards is the farthest I can shoot a pistol here for both indoor and outdoor ranges. As I said, it does me no good. You know what they say when you assume, right? Most outdoor ranges have a 100 yard range don't they? Where are you that people don't shoot rifles? Saying you needed magnified optics at greater distance is a stronger indication of eye trouble than range limitations. wtf good is shooting a pistol at 100 yards or even 50 yards? why the hell would you even waste your time? for fun? yeah ok, but to waste your time zeroing a non-magnified optic on a pistol at those distances or a distance past 25 yards is basically stupid. use the tool for what it's intended for, close shooting. you've got to be shitting me with that crap . How about we get into a gun fight and I'll take my AR after you at 100 yards and you can have your RMR Glock.
I have 20/15 vision by the way. You've really got to stop with that assuming stuff. You're really looking like an ass. The indoor ranges here go to 15 yards. The only outdoor range I have access to has a pistol range out to 15 yards, a 50 yard rifle range, and a 100 yard rifle range. You can't put anything at a distance different from those. You're good at this game For 10 yards I'd just stick with irons, I personally don't see the use for an RMR at close ranges. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile quicker acquisition? Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that at close ranges iron sights are still quicker and that they still use the front sight as a reference point. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that at close ranges iron sights are still quicker and that they still use the front sight as a reference point. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that placing one dot on the target is easier than aligning a front blade between a rear notch on the top with equal distance on the sides. |
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Looks like using a 10, 15 or 25Y zero will ALL do great out to 50Y.
I always sighted my RMR in at 25 personally, but looking at that trajectory, I may should have looked more into it--especially since I mostly shoot 147gr non+P. I think I used my sights for a reference for the first 200-400rds, but then I'd I did it, I didn't realize it....I guess it's just like with iron sights--find them, get them situated, shoot. Except with the RMR, it might be find the sights, situate the dot, shoot. The dot was faster for me AFTER the first shot. But I realized since I didn't have one on my Cary gun, that I needed to stop getting an ego boost from it. Until I carry one, I'll stick with irons. That said, in the last two courses I've taken, the people with MRDS systems were definitely shooting some of the tightest groups (though not always the fastest). |
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Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that placing one dot on the target is easier than aligning a front blade between a rear notch on the top with equal distance on the sides. Quoted:
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Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that at close ranges iron sights are still quicker and that they still use the front sight as a reference point. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that placing one dot on the target is easier than aligning a front blade between a rear notch on the top with equal distance on the sides. If you're taking the time to align the front and rear perfectly at 10 yards you're doing it wrong. |
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If you're taking the time to align the front and rear perfectly at 10 yards you're doing it wrong. Quoted:
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Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that at close ranges iron sights are still quicker and that they still use the front sight as a reference point. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that placing one dot on the target is easier than aligning a front blade between a rear notch on the top with equal distance on the sides. If you're taking the time to align the front and rear perfectly at 10 yards you're doing it wrong. Anybody who claims irons are faster than RDS at any range hasn't shot a RDS much.
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Anybody who claims irons are faster than RDS at any range hasn't shot a RDS much.
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Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that at close ranges iron sights are still quicker and that they still use the front sight as a reference point. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that placing one dot on the target is easier than aligning a front blade between a rear notch on the top with equal distance on the sides. If you're taking the time to align the front and rear perfectly at 10 yards you're doing it wrong. Anybody who claims irons are faster than RDS at any range hasn't shot a RDS much.
If you say so. First shot times playing hunt the dot on a red dot sight at the short ranges being discussed are consistently slower for everyone I've ever heard put serious time into a RDS. I'm not talking about going to the range and shooting dirtclods and beer cans. Get out the timer and measure your first shot time at 10 yards. The best fix is to ignore the RMR and use your irons until you get on target for the first shot, playing hunt the dot is slower. When you're presenting a pistol with iron sights the front sight serves as your reference point while the pistol is coming up, the RMR has nothing to reference with. At 10 yards the RMR has nothing to offer vs iron sights IMO. Longer distances, longer strings of multiple targets and a RDS equipped pistol is an advantage. If you have an RMR zero it at 25 yards so you can take advantage of the optic. OP, sorry for the thread drift. |
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If you say so. First shot times playing hunt the dot on a red dot sight at the short ranges being discussed are consistently slower for everyone I've ever heard put serious time into a RDS. I'm not talking about going to the range and shooting dirtclods and beer cans. Get out the timer and measure your first shot time at 10 yards. The best fix is to ignore the RMR and use your irons until you get on target for the first shot, playing hunt the dot is slower. When you're presenting a pistol with iron sights the front sight serves as your reference point while the pistol is coming up, the RMR has nothing to reference with. At 10 yards the RMR has nothing to offer vs iron sights IMO. Longer distances, longer strings of multiple targets and a RDS equipped pistol is an advantage. If you have an RMR zero it at 25 yards so you can take advantage of the optic. OP, sorry for the thread drift. Quoted:
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Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that at close ranges iron sights are still quicker and that they still use the front sight as a reference point. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Every single person I've conversed with that has used RMRs extensively says that placing one dot on the target is easier than aligning a front blade between a rear notch on the top with equal distance on the sides. If you're taking the time to align the front and rear perfectly at 10 yards you're doing it wrong. Anybody who claims irons are faster than RDS at any range hasn't shot a RDS much.
If you say so. First shot times playing hunt the dot on a red dot sight at the short ranges being discussed are consistently slower for everyone I've ever heard put serious time into a RDS. I'm not talking about going to the range and shooting dirtclods and beer cans. Get out the timer and measure your first shot time at 10 yards. The best fix is to ignore the RMR and use your irons until you get on target for the first shot, playing hunt the dot is slower. When you're presenting a pistol with iron sights the front sight serves as your reference point while the pistol is coming up, the RMR has nothing to reference with. At 10 yards the RMR has nothing to offer vs iron sights IMO. Longer distances, longer strings of multiple targets and a RDS equipped pistol is an advantage. If you have an RMR zero it at 25 yards so you can take advantage of the optic. OP, sorry for the thread drift. There's the problem, user error. I pull up my gun and the dot is there. I don't have to search for it. |
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There's the problem, user error. I pull up my gun and the dot is there. I don't have to search for it. Interesting. If you don't mind my asking, how much time do you have shooting only irons? I'm curious if it is just a mental block concerning lots of trigger time with only iron sights. I have noticed newer shooters take to dot sights VERY quickly, maybe it is just a holdover from habits? Granted, when you present the pistol from a standard position you should be close enough on target that you could find the dot but It seems that shooting from weird positions is harder. Shooting on the move is a little trickier for me as well because the relationship between front and rear is easy to see vs the dot. Thoughts? |
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Interesting. If you don't mind my asking, how much time do you have shooting only irons? I'm curious if it is just a mental block concerning lots of trigger time with only iron sights. I have noticed newer shooters take to dot sights VERY quickly, maybe it is just a holdover from habits? Granted, when you present the pistol from a standard position you should be close enough on target that you could find the dot but It seems that shooting from weird positions is harder. Shooting on the move is a little trickier for me as well because the relationship between front and rear is easy to see vs the dot. Thoughts? Quoted:
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There's the problem, user error. I pull up my gun and the dot is there. I don't have to search for it. Interesting. If you don't mind my asking, how much time do you have shooting only irons? I'm curious if it is just a mental block concerning lots of trigger time with only iron sights. I have noticed newer shooters take to dot sights VERY quickly, maybe it is just a holdover from habits? Granted, when you present the pistol from a standard position you should be close enough on target that you could find the dot but It seems that shooting from weird positions is harder. Shooting on the move is a little trickier for me as well because the relationship between front and rear is easy to see vs the dot. Thoughts? I've only had a red dot mounted pistol optic for about 2-3 months. I've been shooting for about 20 years. |
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I've only had a red dot mounted pistol optic for about 2-3 months. I've been shooting for about 20 years. Quoted:
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There's the problem, user error. I pull up my gun and the dot is there. I don't have to search for it. Interesting. If you don't mind my asking, how much time do you have shooting only irons? I'm curious if it is just a mental block concerning lots of trigger time with only iron sights. I have noticed newer shooters take to dot sights VERY quickly, maybe it is just a holdover from habits? Granted, when you present the pistol from a standard position you should be close enough on target that you could find the dot but It seems that shooting from weird positions is harder. Shooting on the move is a little trickier for me as well because the relationship between front and rear is easy to see vs the dot. Thoughts? I've only had a red dot mounted pistol optic for about 2-3 months. I've been shooting for about 20 years. 
Who knows then. Maybe people are different after all? |