Posted: 6/1/2014 11:25:18 AM EDT
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I'm in the market for a G26 and G17. My gen2 G19 has been a perfect handgun but after reading all the threads on BTF and FTE's I'm really wondering if I want a Glock or not. From what I've read a Gen 3 may give one a better chance of getting a problem free gun.
Anyway, the other choice now is Austria or USA made Glock. I'm confused on the finishes they are putting on these guns. Are there basically just the 2 finishes that can you end up with, or are there different finishes from both manufacturing facilities? Is this just a "personal preference" choice or is one actually more durable than the other? |
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My American made FDE 19 has the "textured" finish that looks kind of grey. My Austrian made OD 17 has the smooth black finish. I've beat the crap out of both guns, the OD 17 is much newer with half the reps/rounds of the 19. The 19 shows zero wear, the 17 however is already showing quite a bit of wear on the front end. I actually like the look of wear so it doesn't bother me at all. But the textured finish seems much more durable.
ETA both guns are Gen 3 and have been absolutely flawless through several thousand rounds. Most of the issues with the Gen 4 and newer Gen 3 guns have been worked out now. |
| Rumor has it that the Austrian tenifer won't pass U.S. epa regs. I am told by a reliable source that the U.S. version is good but doesn't actually penetrate the metal and make the metal stronger. I am also told that once the finish is gone rust resistance is gone also. Unlike the Austrian version that still has corrosion resistance in the white. I have not seen this with my own eyes, but was told this by the Glock rep in my area. |
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Rumor has it that the Austrian tenifer won't pass U.S. epa regs. I am told by a reliable source that the U.S. version is good but doesn't actually penetrate the metal and make the metal stronger. I am also told that once the finish is gone rust resistance is gone also. Unlike the Austrian version that still has corrosion resistance in the white. I have not seen this with my own eyes, but was told this by the Glock rep in my area. Very interesting... HTR. |
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Rumor has it that the Austrian tenifer won't pass U.S. epa regs. I am told by a reliable source that the U.S. version is good but doesn't actually penetrate the metal and make the metal stronger. I am also told that once the finish is gone rust resistance is gone also. Unlike the Austrian version that still has corrosion resistance in the white. I have not seen this with my own eyes, but was told this by the Glock rep in my area. I think that is just a rumor as you said. |
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Rumor has it that the Austrian tenifer won't pass U.S. epa regs. I am told by a reliable source that the U.S. version is good but doesn't actually penetrate the metal and make the metal stronger. I am also told that once the finish is gone rust resistance is gone also. Unlike the Austrian version that still has corrosion resistance in the white. I have not seen this with my own eyes, but was told this by the Glock rep in my area. According to the last armorer's class I took, they stopped using that in 2010 or so, and now use a "nitriding" process. |
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According to the last armorer's class I took, they stopped using that in 2010 or so, and now use a "nitriding" process. Quoted:
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Rumor has it that the Austrian tenifer won't pass U.S. epa regs. I am told by a reliable source that the U.S. version is good but doesn't actually penetrate the metal and make the metal stronger. I am also told that once the finish is gone rust resistance is gone also. Unlike the Austrian version that still has corrosion resistance in the white. I have not seen this with my own eyes, but was told this by the Glock rep in my area. According to the last armorer's class I took, they stopped using that in 2010 or so, and now use a "nitriding" process. Tenifer is a nitriding process........it's just a trademarked name for the process (as is Melonite) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferritic_nitrocarburizing |
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I have 5. 2 - 19's 1 - 17 1 - 26 1 - 34 All but one of mine have a matte black finish. Dull like. One of my 19's, has what I would call a "frying pan" finish. It is almost teflon looking, and a bit shinier. Am I making sense? ETA: All Gen 4 guns. Yep, that follows. I've owned all finishes but the new one. One of the reasons I like all my early GEN3 Glocks so much is that 'frying pan' finish. Tough as nails, very very durable. I have held late gen3 and gen4 production Glocks (new grayer finish) and can not say I didn't like it, I just - know from experience- the older finish (or should we be saying treatment, or both) works like a charm. HTR. |
The last two or three I bought have a flat (matte) gray finish. The metal on these are slick compared to a "sand blast " texture on my earlier Glocks. The newer ones scuff MUCH easier.  . I like the finish/texture on the earlier models much better. The ones from just a year ago are more durable than the ones they are putting out now. I just don't understand why they degraded the finish recently. I have to keep reminding myself, these are tools, not works of art.
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If you have a gun that starts looking really nasty, could you have it parked? Like as in a real live parkerizing. I am in Houston, and Briley does this service. I guess you could always get it cerakoted, if it offeneded you too bad as well.
On another note, I started a "Gen 5" thread a bit back, and wonder if/when this animal hits the ground, if they will use a newer finish as well. I'd be willing to bet that a Gen 5 gun will have some pretty good deviation from a 4. |
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I have five. 4 gen 4's and a gen 3.
3 of the gen 4's have a frying finish, which I prefer. The gen 3 and other gen 4 have the smooth finish that wears out easy. I purposely check when I'm about to buy one, the frying pan finishes are becoming harder and harder to find. FYI one of mine is USA, and it is frying pan. And its slightly blacker then my other two frying pans. I've heard numerous theories on this stuff and the only one that makes sense to me is it all depends on what batch the guns are made in, regardless of generation and regardless of location. One myth for sure that is NOT TRUE. It isn't based on generation, because I've seen them BOTH ways for 3 and 4. |
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Quoted: According to the last armorer's class I took, they stopped using that in 2010 or so, and now use a "nitriding" process. Quoted: Quoted: Rumor has it that the Austrian tenifer won't pass U.S. epa regs. I am told by a reliable source that the U.S. version is good but doesn't actually penetrate the metal and make the metal stronger. I am also told that once the finish is gone rust resistance is gone also. Unlike the Austrian version that still has corrosion resistance in the white. I have not seen this with my own eyes, but was told this by the Glock rep in my area. According to the last armorer's class I took, they stopped using that in 2010 or so, and now use a "nitriding" process. This. The tennifer process was very expensive, was an extremely hazardous material, and they left it for financial and environmental reasons. It cost a lot to use, handle, and dispose of. |
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Have you got a pic? I'd like to see what you mean when you say 'pretty bad'. 
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My 2 month old Gen 3 19 is already looking pretty bad. Have you got a pic? I'd like to see what you mean when you say 'pretty bad'.
HTR. I'll see if I can get you one tomorrow. |
| They went from their proprietary salt bath nitriding process (Tenifer) to a gas nitriding process. The surface finishes vary. In the past, they used parkerizing, some kind of shiny, durable coating (my favorite, used on Gen 3), and now to some weird rough/slick greyish finish on the Gen 4, no idea what it is. |