Posted: 5/21/2014 11:45:04 AM EDT
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I posted this in handgun discussion, but since its glock specific I will post it here as well.
So I shoot my G17 to the left. At 15-25 yds if I put an index card center of mass on a silhouette target, the index card will not even have a scratch and there will be a decent grouping (about the size of the index card) directly to the left. I still qualify 98-100% and the bad guys right lung is screwed but Its still not where I want my shots… With my 1911s, P226, ruger .22, and even G26 I can shoot that index card pretty consistently. This wouldn't be a problem except that the G17 is my issued duty weapon that is literally on my person or right beside me 24/7 on and off duty. I know practice and dry fire of course. I put around 400rds per week out of this weapon and dry fire anytime I am able. I use snap caps while at the range for the old "ball and dummy" to check for flinch. Consistently I am not flinching, so I don't think that is the major contributing factor here. To make sure the problem was me, I have fired coworkers weapons and I make identical groups all to the left. So its not my weapon, its me. Any tips? Any good reading material that is glock related? I have heard some folks shoots glocks left, but thats not satisfying for me…I would like to fix it. Thanks folks |
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I did find this, I will try this out.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/99034_Glock_Shooting_Left_.html |
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I use a large backstrap on my G17 as it helps me keep my trigger finger parallel to the trigger face when the shot breaks. I've personally found more/less trigger finger isn't the actual key, it's how your finger ends up when the shot breaks. I was told that where you start doesn't matter as much as your finger finishing flat when the shot breaks. Dry fire your pistol and keep the trigger depressed. Look at your trigger finger in regards to the trigger face, is it flat or angled? I think this is the source of more/less trigger finger as far as trigger control goes.
YMMV and I could be wrong but that's what helped me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Sounds like you shoot like I do.
I have that same push as you and always work on fundamentals to improve. At this time I have no problem drifting those sights right to hit center of mass. Sure, it's my trigger press or grip but it's very consistent so I move those sights. |
| rear sight is already drifted to the right, forgot to mention that in OP. When I was issued the weapon, several other officers shot it and confirmed it shot left. When the sight was drifted right, most guys that shot it were hitting dead center. Im still shooting left |
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rear sight is already drifted to the right, forgot to mention that in OP. When I was issued the weapon, several other officers shot it and confirmed it shot left. When the sight was drifted right, most guys that shot it were hitting dead center. Im still shooting left Maybe it is just a left shooter. Interesting that I have had to drift all my glocks to the same degree right.( currently 6) |
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This works for a lot people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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Maybe try more trigger finger? This works for a lot people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Im going back to the range in a couple days to try out some technique changes. first and foremost is to play around with more trigger finger |
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very common issue. I suspect you use a version of the thumbs forward grip. So I come to two shooter induced possibilities:
- trigger finger placement - stroke - press what ever you feel like calling it - left hand (presuming your are right handed) causing you grief. Regarding trigger finger placement - make sure you are using the pad or very slightly in (towards the first crease of the trigger finger) to make the trigger go back in the straightest way possible. However I suspect it is the latter Regarding grip - I am more than sure the thumbs forward method is causing you grief. what usually happens (unconsciously most of the time) is the support hand will attempt to compensate for recoil by squeezing slightly harder...the end result, shots have a tendency to make shots go in the direction of the support hand. A simple way to confirm this is to shoot groups 2 handed then one handed (make sure your trigger stroke is the same for both groups). the other option is to switch hands completely (one handed again) and do it again. if you are able to identify the issue as being the support hand squeeze, then the answers are simple - relax your left hand while shooting (actively think about it while you stroke the trigger) - or - ensure you are doing thumbs forward correctly (make sure the support wrist is locked downward with the thumb pointing right at the target - then grip the gun) - or - try the thumb over technique (this is where the support thumb is locked over the strong thumb). My research - Been a firearms instructor since 1993 - have seen new officers to very experienced officers, many of the same faces, over a 21 year period- have seen a transition from revolver to semi autos - have also seen a noticeable change in what is the "acceptable" grip four times. Hope this helps Mark |
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Yup more trigger finger. You have to work the Glocks trigger more like a revolver, than a traditional single action such as a 1911. Remember to grip more with your support hand. A lot of folks Gorilla grip with their trigger hand and have virtually no grip with the support hand.
TXPO |
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Adding to what TacticalConcepts and TexasPo stated, I'm left handed and would occasionally run into the same issues when I shoot a factory G17 (prefer the 3.5LB disconnect since I'm a civilian and only really use my 17/34's for classes and matches). TacticalConcept was spot on with what was happening to me, I was gripping harder with my support hand and what really helped me was by adding a little more pressure with my support thumb against the frame. Prior to that, I would just place it there and it would sort of float on the frame.
It's almost like I'm pinching with the index finger and thumb of my support hand. Maybe also give that a try after you work on the trigger finger stuff. Hope that all made sense. |
| I did some shooting from 25-50 yds yesterday. I have been working with more trigger finger and experimenting with my grip. From what I can tell, the main issue is too little finger on the trigger. By consciously giving it more trigger finger, my groups at 25yds have moved center of mass. So I think that was the primary problem. However, when I shoot quick strings with 3,4, or 5 rounds I notice my finger subconsciously goes back to what feels 'normal' to me. consequently, my rounds string to the left. Now I just need to work on re-training myself to erase the old trigger finger placement habit. I appreciate all the advice and tips here! |
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Could it be something as simple as the front sight leaning a hair to the right ? Swap it out . Cheap fix and worth a look . Odd advice considering moving the rear would correct any issue actually related to his sights. I've never seen a leaning front sight 
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