Posted: 3/21/2014 6:29:06 AM EDT
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I detest the 'wall' that gives the Gen4 G19 that two stage trigger feel. The break past that wall is very harsh, and thousands of dry fires still hasn't eliminated the jerk completely from it (though I am shooting it considerably better now than when I got it).
I want to like this gun, but the trigger is making that tough. What I'd like to have is something similar to a revolver, with a consistent trigger pull from start to fire. I have a double action revolver with a 12 lb trigger that I shoot very accurately, but it doesn't have a wall to overcome in the trigger pull, and its consistently 12 lbs throughout the entire pull. At the same time, I don't really want aftermarket parts in a pistol I will use for self defense. My idea is to install the following components: 1. Glock OEM minus connector 2. Glock NY1 trigger spring 3. Glock Gen3 trigger bar Will these changes yield a trigger that is more consistent, without the wall / two stage feel to it? Or would I be better off getting a different pistol and, if so, what should I be looking at? |
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I install a OEM (-) connector and a NY1 trigger spring into all of my Glocks. In my experience, it helps create a more positive reset, and it makes the trigger feel more like a DA revolver, though not completely. I have a G17 (Gen 3) that has seen about 3000 rounds through it, and the trigger is great - almost no "wall" and extremely smooth trigger pull by Glock standards. On my newer G26 (Gen 4), which I've only dry fired about 100 times, the wall is still there, but better than stock. I'm sure it will get better with time (and round count).
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I install a OEM (-) connector and a NY1 trigger spring into all of my Glocks. In my experience, it helps create a more positive reset, and it makes the trigger feel more like a DA revolver, though not completely. I have a G17 (Gen 3) that has seen about 3000 rounds through it, and the trigger is great - almost no "wall" and extremely smooth trigger pull by Glock standards. On my newer G26 (Gen 4), which I've only dry fired about 100 times, the wall is still there, but better than stock. I'm sure it will get better with time (and round count). I personally disliked the 3.5/NY1 combo but +1 to everything you said otherwise. I think this is just what OP is asking for. ETA: OP, IM me and I'll ship you an OEM (-) connector and olive NY1 spring to try. I'm never going to use them. |
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I install a OEM (-) connector and a NY1 trigger spring into all of my Glocks. In my experience, it helps create a more positive reset, and it makes the trigger feel more like a DA revolver, though not completely. I have a G17 (Gen 3) that has seen about 3000 rounds through it, and the trigger is great - almost no "wall" and extremely smooth trigger pull by Glock standards. On my newer G26 (Gen 4), which I've only dry fired about 100 times, the wall is still there, but better than stock. I'm sure it will get better with time (and round count). Where is best place to buy these parts? I would like to try this combo. TIA |
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I install a OEM (-) connector and a NY1 trigger spring into all of my Glocks. In my experience, it helps create a more positive reset, and it makes the trigger feel more like a DA revolver, though not completely. I have a G17 (Gen 3) that has seen about 3000 rounds through it, and the trigger is great - almost no "wall" and extremely smooth trigger pull by Glock standards. On my newer G26 (Gen 4), which I've only dry fired about 100 times, the wall is still there, but better than stock. I'm sure it will get better with time (and round count). Where is best place to buy these parts? I would like to try this combo. TIA I would also... Hard to find the - connector unless paying $25 plus shipping |
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I install a OEM (-) connector and a NY1 trigger spring into all of my Glocks. In my experience, it helps create a more positive reset, and it makes the trigger feel more like a DA revolver, though not completely. I have a G17 (Gen 3) that has seen about 3000 rounds through it, and the trigger is great - almost no "wall" and extremely smooth trigger pull by Glock standards. On my newer G26 (Gen 4), which I've only dry fired about 100 times, the wall is still there, but better than stock. I'm sure it will get better with time (and round count). Where is best place to buy these parts? I would like to try this combo. TIA I would also... Hard to find the - connector unless paying $25 plus shipping http://www.glockmeister.com/45-Pound-Stock-Connector/productinfo/G721/ I'm afraid $25 is about as good a price as you'll find. ETA: http://www.glockmeister.com/New-York-Trigger-Spring-1-8-LBs/productinfo/G7405/ The other half of the setup. |
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Or would I be better off getting a different pistol and, if so, what should I be looking at? What you're describing is the HK "LEM" trigger. It's a smooth consistent pull without a distinct letoff like a short double action pull, but it's only about 5.5 to 6 pounds. |
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Without sounding rude - do you know how a Glock trigger works?? And the benefits of it?
The "-" connector will give you a rolling break... the NY minus seems to be what you're looking for (never tried it tho)... Are you sure you're more accurate with your "ideal" trigger or is this a safety thing? |
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the only difference between the Gen 3 and Gen 4 trigger bars is the bump. If so, why can't the bump be sanded and polished mostly off?
I have a Gen 3 G26 and G19 and two Gen 4 G17s and I can't tell the difference between any of their trigger pulls. Depending on which one, I have from 200 to 2000 rounds through each. My problem is that I don't remember what the factory pulls feel like, the first thing I do when I get one home is break it down and give it the 25 cent trigger job (along with undercutting the trigger guard). I probably didn't dry fire any of them more than a dozen times before doing that. On the Gen 4s, I used a cratex wheel (bout the size of a quarter and uses a cut-off wheel mandrel) to polish and round off about 1/2 to 2/3 of the bump. I don't think I could tell the difference between any of the triggers if I was wearing a blindfold. They are all very similar in pull weight and feel. I don't know how much of an improvement polishing out the bump made, but I can say that taking off the majority of the bump didn't harm them. *Edit* I didn't see the thread asking if anyone had measured trigger pull weight before and after removing the bump. Reading through, I see that it's there to keep lateral movement of the bar to a minimum if the mag catch is reversed. I've been a Glock shooter for years and go through this forum on a semi regular basis and I've never seen that explanation. I learn something every day. |
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What you're describing is the HK "LEM" trigger. It's a smooth consistent pull without a distinct letoff like a short double action pull, but it's only about 5.5 to 6 pounds. Quoted:
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Or would I be better off getting a different pistol and, if so, what should I be looking at? What you're describing is the HK "LEM" trigger. It's a smooth consistent pull without a distinct letoff like a short double action pull, but it's only about 5.5 to 6 pounds. No, the HK LEM has a very light take up and then a very distinct break and about six lbs. It has a very pronounced two stage feel. I carried a USP compact for six years and it was the only thing about the gun I didn't like. HK only developed it to meet the contract specifications for the now defunct INS. The same logic lead to the development of the DAK trigger for the Sig 229 which replaced the HK USP compact and Glock pistols carried by the former INS and US Customs, respectively. After investing R&D and tooling to make them, HK and Sig then sold the trigger modification to the public to maximize their profits. There are much better triggers out there. The only reason for the triggers was to have a double action only trigger with a lot of take up because administrators honk it prevents ND's. Some think because it is a law enforcement trigger it must be better. The Glock NYPD trigger is yet another example of how untrue that is. |
| I have a gen 3 I installed a ghost 3.5 pound trigger bar and spring kit and also polished everything to a mirror finish, I went from hating my glock to it being my favorite gun to shoot. I would not worry too much about aftermarket parts I have put a couple thousand rounds threw my g23 since making the changes and have not had one ftf or fte. If it's litigation your worried about cause you are carrying for self defense, if you really google that whole thing most of that is just speculation. |