Posted: 3/15/2014 11:10:51 PM EDT
| So, uh, I will admit to being completely ignorant of any problems with gen 4 pistols other than people complaining about being beaned with brass. Ever since the gen 4's have come out I have completely ignored any and all discussion about them as I didn't own any and didn't care to. I was recently "given" a new gen 4 G17 and the trigger pull on it absolutely sucks compared to myriad gen 3's I've owned or shot. What gives? Did GLOCK do something with the trigger on the gen 4? |
| AFAIK the trigger is the same. At least on mine it appears to be. The only issue I have with my gen4 G17 is it shoots to the left. No matter who shoots it or what load is used. Never had this issue on any of my other Glocks. My gen4 G23 is GREAT. I really like it. However, none of mine outshoot or handle my gen1 G17. |
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the trigger parts are a little different in the gen 4 but overall the trigger pull is about the same. Best advice I can give anyone is two part
do the 25 cent trigger job and replace connector with 3.5 one and leave all the springs the same. it is never going to be like a tuned 1911 trigger. |
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For the most part, the trigger system is the same with the exception of the actual trigger bar. The Gen4 trigger bar has a small "nipple" on the part that contacts the safety plunger. This "nipple" rubs against the slide and causes a rougher and heavier perceived pull. It's an easy fix, just swap the trigger bar with a Gen3 trigger bar; they're only about $15, and fits like a champ.
I had been using exclusively Ghost Rocket Connecters, Wolff Springs and the Gen 3 trigger bars on all my Gen4's, and that worked pretty well. However, I recently did a new 34 using ZevTev connector and springs.... The install was much easier and the trigger is lighter and smoother. However, just swapping the trigger bar is a vast improvement too. Good luck! |
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Order a gen 4 minus connector from online and throw it in. Thats all, and leave the rest alone! That's good advice too, except I have to say (respectfully) to use the Gen 3 trigger bar too. The "minus" connector works well with stock springs.... The 3.5 lb connectors become too spongey with standard weight trigger springs, in my opinion. |
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So, uh, I will admit to being completely ignorant of any problems with gen 4 pistols other than people complaining about being beaned with brass. Ever since the gen 4's have come out I have completely ignored any and all discussion about them as I didn't own any and didn't care to. I was recently "given" a new gen 4 G17 and the trigger pull on it absolutely sucks compared to myriad gen 3's I've owned or shot. What gives? Did GLOCK do something with the trigger on the gen 4? The gen 4 Glocks are far superior to the Gen 3's IMO. The grip and texture alone make them a better handgun. I haven't noticed any change in the trigger between the two either. ETA: Never had any troubles with Gen 4's the issue is overblown and largely a result of limp wristing by the end users. |
Are all of your gen3's used? After some use, triggers can get a little smoother. I personally prefer the Gen4s as well. I EDC a Gen3 bc the aggressiveness of the Gen4 grip can be kinda annoying rubbing up on you all day (but thats just bc i'm a p***y  haha). I have had better and worse Gen3 and Gen4 triggers. It isn't a gen specific thing. Some people claim that the trigger bar bump causes the trigger to be heavier but i have personally seen no evidence of this. Bottom line... quality of trigger pull is not a gen specific thing. With both Gen3 and Gen4s available, people decide to switch it up and buy 1 Gen4 (or Gen3) and the finish isn't as nice, the trigger isn't as good, they get a few weak ejections, and all of a sudden, in their mind, it must be because it is a Gen4 (or 3) problem. There is some natural variance in Glocks so thats just the way it goes. Polish it up, run 1k rounds through it, replace the disconnector, or whatever you want to do. It is nothing to be concerned about.
ETA: I can't stand when people immediately blame the user despite the fact that the user can definitely impact reliability at times (unfortunately)... i like Glocks because they work for me. Some people obviously don't have the technique to run a new Gen4 26 or 19 or whatever correctly. The spring is a little stiffer so form can play a role in the reliability of the pistol especially early on in the gun's life. This doesn't really make me happy bc if my sister or my GF or some girl or dude that knows nothing about shooting is with me and maybe i get shot or something and they need to pick up my gun and defend themselves with it, i want it to work 100% for them. Run 1k through the Gen4s pretty quickly... this will break it in (they can need some break in) and really decrease the likelihood of a "form-induced" failure. Just my opinion 
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I've had both new and used before, with the standard connector and the minus connector. I put a minus connector in the gen 4 before even shooting it and it has the worst trigger pull I've ever encountered on a GLOCK. I immediately thought trigger bar as well and will give that a try. I really don't care about gen 3 vs. gen 4. I give the gen 4 a slight advantage in that it fits my hand slightly better running it with no back strap, SF style.
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the issue is overblown and largely a result of limp wristing by the end users. Please stop perpetuating this myth. It's not a myth. It's a fact as far as I'm concerned. I and atleast 40 people I know have owned multiple 9mm early and recent Gen 4 Glocks and none of us outside of a few of the women had any issues with erratic ejection or FTE |
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the issue is overblown and largely a result of limp wristing by the end users. Please stop perpetuating this myth. It's not a myth. It's a fact. So, after shooting Glocks for over 20 years I suddenly started limp-wristing and experiencing BTF, but only with pistols produced during a specific time frame? Please share your explanation for that phenomenon. |
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the issue is overblown and largely a result of limp wristing by the end users. Please stop perpetuating this myth. It's not a myth. It's a fact as far as I'm concerned. I and atleast 40 people I know have owned multiple 9mm early and recent Gen 4 Glocks and none of us outside of a few of the women had any issues with erratic ejection or FTE My god.... you have 40 friends that own glocks (not just glock owners, owners of multiple 9mm glocks) and you know well enough to know their history, have a good undersrtanding of their shooting posture, and how certain glocks are performing for them? 
The whole grip thing is overblown... yes, poor shooting grip can cause some malfunctions and weaker ejection but BTF isn't exactly a grip problem. |
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the issue is overblown and largely a result of limp wristing by the end users. Please stop perpetuating this myth. It's not a myth. It's a fact as far as I'm concerned. I and atleast 40 people I know have owned multiple 9mm early and recent Gen 4 Glocks and none of us outside of a few of the women had any issues with erratic ejection or FTE So how did an Apex extractor fix my limp wrist issues? My G19 was having 360 degree ejection and random stovepipes before, none after. My new G17 had 20% BTF before an Apex, none after. Please oh master of Glocks, enlighten me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Some insight. I love my glock 19 gen4. Its has fired flawlessly since I bought it new. They are, however, not without fault though. The reasons why some glocks have zero issues while others are pure garbage remains to be completely identified. |
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So, uh, I will admit to being completely ignorant of any problems with gen 4 pistols other than people complaining about being beaned with brass. Ever since the gen 4's have come out I have completely ignored any and all discussion about them as I didn't own any and didn't care to. I was recently "given" a new gen 4 G17 and the trigger pull on it absolutely sucks compared to myriad gen 3's I've owned or shot. What gives? Did GLOCK do something with the trigger on the gen 4? Do you know the born on date? The early gen4s came with the standard 5.5 connector and it was pretty stout with the new model. They changed to the 4.5 "dot" connector after a lot of complaints of the new trigger. Check your connector for a dot on it. If no marks it'd an early model. Change it for a dot "." or even a minus "-" and it will feel a lot better. |
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Quoted: Do you know the born on date? The early gen4s came with the standard 5.5 connector and it was pretty stout with the new model. They changed to the 4.5 "dot" connector after a lot of complaints of the new trigger. Check your connector for a dot on it. If no marks it'd an early model. Change it for a dot "." or even a minus "-" and it will feel a lot better. Quoted: Quoted: So, uh, I will admit to being completely ignorant of any problems with gen 4 pistols other than people complaining about being beaned with brass. Ever since the gen 4's have come out I have completely ignored any and all discussion about them as I didn't own any and didn't care to. I was recently "given" a new gen 4 G17 and the trigger pull on it absolutely sucks compared to myriad gen 3's I've owned or shot. What gives? Did GLOCK do something with the trigger on the gen 4? Do you know the born on date? The early gen4s came with the standard 5.5 connector and it was pretty stout with the new model. They changed to the 4.5 "dot" connector after a lot of complaints of the new trigger. Check your connector for a dot on it. If no marks it'd an early model. Change it for a dot "." or even a minus "-" and it will feel a lot better. Brand new. 2014. As posted later, I had already put in a minus connector. At any rate, I put a gen 3 trigger bar in and it made a WORLD of difference. Now, granted, that gen 3 trigger bar has seen some use so it may just be the surfaces needed to be mated, but I've never had a new gen 3 with a trigger pull as bad as this new gen 4.
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Has anything been done to the gun? I thought my gen 4 17 had a heavy trigger just because it was a gen 4, but it turned out to be due to a deformed striker channel liner. I stripped the slide for the first time after about 500 rounds and the channel liner came out with the striker. Reassembled it with no liner just to test (dry fire only), and the trigger was MUCH lighter. I didn't even realize there was a liner in the striker channel prior to this (I actually created a thread about it this past weekend). New channel liner and installation tool are supposed to be here today. 
Apparently the channel liner can distort due to heat from machining or application of a "baked on" finish such as cerakote. |
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Regarding the '25 cent trigger job'. I did that (and I'm not a complete mechanical moron FWIW) and on my G19 G4 it ended up producing random double taps for me without my express wishes. As in pull the trigger and POWPOW without a trigger reset. Not every time or even every box. The first time I wrote it off, the second I was a little WTF that wasn' t me. The third time and it was time to stop. I swapped out the entire trigger assembly and it ran for 200 rounds no problem. I swapped the polished parts back in and within the first 100 rounds POWPOW. End result is I swapped everything back out and kept the polished parts as last resort only in an apocalypse spares and ordered new good spares. It's had about 2000 rounds since then and at this point feels pretty polished. :)
I followed the various videos to a T. Only used Flitz and a q-tip. No hard pressure, a few light strokes or circles and change q-tips. Stopped when it just started to get shiny. No change in geometry that I could see, just more polished surfaces. But obviously something got out of tolerance or the combination of everything pushed it over the edge. Just as obviously many people do the trigger job and everything works fine. I just post this here as a warning to be very careful and test the pistol before you depend on it and preferably without a lot of people around to wonder how you're getting double taps off so damn fast and start asking questions. |
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So how did an Apex extractor fix my limp wrist issues? My G19 was having 360 degree ejection and random stovepipes before, none after. My new G17 had 20% BTF before an Apex, none after. Please oh master of Glocks, enlighten me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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the issue is overblown and largely a result of limp wristing by the end users. Please stop perpetuating this myth. It's not a myth. It's a fact as far as I'm concerned. I and atleast 40 people I know have owned multiple 9mm early and recent Gen 4 Glocks and none of us outside of a few of the women had any issues with erratic ejection or FTE So how did an Apex extractor fix my limp wrist issues? My G19 was having 360 degree ejection and random stovepipes before, none after. My new G17 had 20% BTF before an Apex, none after. Please oh master of Glocks, enlighten me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The Apex extractor had a placebo effect and you stopped limp wristing. 
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