Posted: 1/9/2014 11:22:36 AM EDT
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Here's the situation, I know the primary differences between the different models, and I've read a lot about them, both here and in Glock forums. I've also looked at the Glock web site quite a bit, but I don't trust the specs there, as it says the G27 and G19 have the same width, and I know from my own experience that that isn't true (at least I know the grip is fatter on the G27). However, I still can't figure out which one is best for me. I have a Gen4 G19, Gen3 G27 and a 1911 Government (SA Range Officer), to name a few. So, I have a compact and baby Glock, but I also have a full-sized 1911 for the range. My Glock .45 would be mostly for protection (home defense, I carry the G27), but I also shoot all my pistols pretty regularly at the range. I love the feel of the G19. It was slightly too small, even with the biggest back strap on it, but once I slipped on the Hogue grip it feels like it was cater made for my hand. Therefore, I would like something in a .45 ACP that is as close to the feel of the G19 that I can get.
Here's my dilemma though. I've read a lot about the G36 having issues, and that most of the parts are G36 specific. I've kind of ruled this one out. So now I'm comparing the G21SF, G30S and G30SF. I know the G30S is closer to the grip of the G19, but I've also seen that some of the parts may be more G30S specific, which is a similar issue to the G36. I think the G30S would fit my hand better, but it sounds like the G30SF is more versatile. Like with my G19, I like having the option of running G17 mags, having multiple after market barrels to choose from, etc. I really like the G21SF, but like I said, I already have a full-sized .45, and I really like the compact Glock models, like my G19. However, I'm also leaning toward the G21SF since I plan on it being my night stand gun, and I think it would handle a light on the rail better than a compact model, not to mention the higher capacity mags, but I think 10 rounds is sufficient. I've also heard that the G30 can be sensitive to different kinds of ammo, and that it won't necessarily feed everything as reliably as the G21 would. So, I guess what I'm asking is whether or not my train of thought sounds reasonable. Also, I can't find much good information on using the G30 (any variation) as a home defense weapon. Has anyone ran a 30 with a light on the rail? Does it get in the way of a good grip / functionality of the gun? I think what it is going to come down to is finding the model that most closely resembles the grip of a G19, but without limiting my options as far as which magazines I can use and how many Companies are out there making aftermarket parts for the gun. I typically run my Glocks stock, but I like having the option of readily replacing the barrel, having options on which Glock magazines to use, aftermarket sights, etc. It sounds like I'm leaning towards the G30SF, but my concerns are : 1) Is it as reliable as the G21SF? 2) Will it handle a light comfortably? 3) Can it still function with the G21 and the other high capacity .45 ACP Glock magazines? I'm open to suggestions, but I am getting a Glock in .45 ACP, not some other brand, and not .45 GAP or some other caliber. |
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for night stand gun, id go with G21SF. ( i say this because i did).
im sure a light will mount fine to a G30S (which i also have), but i like the higher capacity and thus larger grip on the G21 for HD role. a rail mount light should not affect your grip unless 
i would say G30S and G21SF should be equally reliable, i dont have any issues with my G30S. |
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I love the feel of the G19. It was slightly too small, even with the biggest back strap on it, but once I slipped on the Hogue grip it feels like it was cater made for my hand. Therefore, I would like something in a .45 ACP that is as close to the feel of the G19 that I can get. If you love the G19 so much (and I'm not hating - I love mine too), why not just use the G19? I don't want to turn this into a 9mm vs 45 debate, but honestly there is little difference in effectiveness between 45 ACP and 9mm with proper ammo. If you're just trying to talk yourself into a new Glock that's one thing (again, not hating - I have a pile of 'em), but if you think you're handicapped with a G19 compared to a 45 ACP, I'd have to disagree with you. EDIT: If you're set on a 45, you can't go wrong with the 30S. It's a little slimmer than the 30/30SF and should work just fine with a light mounted as well as using G21 mags. Personally the new G41 is the one on my "wish list", though. |
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If you love the G19 so much (and I'm not hating - I love mine too), why not just use the G19? I don't want to turn this into a 9mm vs 45 debate, but honestly there is little difference in effectiveness between 45 ACP and 9mm with proper ammo. If you're just trying to talk yourself into a new Glock that's one thing (again, not hating - I have a pile of 'em), but if you think you're handicapped with a G19 compared to a 45 ACP, I'd have to disagree with you. EDIT: If you're set on a 45, you can't go wrong with the 30S. It's a little slimmer than the 30/30SF and should work just fine with a light mounted as well as using G21 mags. Personally the new G41 is the one on my "wish list", though. Quoted:
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I love the feel of the G19. It was slightly too small, even with the biggest back strap on it, but once I slipped on the Hogue grip it feels like it was cater made for my hand. Therefore, I would like something in a .45 ACP that is as close to the feel of the G19 that I can get. If you love the G19 so much (and I'm not hating - I love mine too), why not just use the G19? I don't want to turn this into a 9mm vs 45 debate, but honestly there is little difference in effectiveness between 45 ACP and 9mm with proper ammo. If you're just trying to talk yourself into a new Glock that's one thing (again, not hating - I have a pile of 'em), but if you think you're handicapped with a G19 compared to a 45 ACP, I'd have to disagree with you. EDIT: If you're set on a 45, you can't go wrong with the 30S. It's a little slimmer than the 30/30SF and should work just fine with a light mounted as well as using G21 mags. Personally the new G41 is the one on my "wish list", though. I do love my 19, and I feel like it is perfectly capable for what I've mentioned, that's why it was my first. However, I'm buying a Glock .45, there's nothing I can do about that. Now I'm just trying to decide which one fits my needs the best. I like the G41 as well, but if I'm getting a full sized .45 it will be another 1911. I'm not even beginning to say 1911's are better, I couldn't try to pick my favorite, but the reason I like Glocks so much is because they can provide the same service in a smaller, neater package, which is why I bought a 19 over the 17, I didn't really see the need. I am on the lookout for a G42 though, I've never owned a .380. I know the 30 can take a light on the rail, I just wasn't sure about clearance. My 19 looks like a light would be a tight fit, so I wasn't sure if the 30 would be worse. I know it has a rail, so it obviously holds something, I just wasn't sure if my options were limited or if the light would be hard to operate that close to the trigger guard. |
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I own g3 19, g30sf, g21 sf.
30sf is fatter and shorter slide than 19. +p HST 230g no issues. Takes g21 mags. A bit thicker than 30s, but to me, more mass to handle recoil. 21sf is a laser. 30sf damn accurate also. 21 on nightstand w/x300, 30 and 19 carry, no preference. I dont have huge hands, but no issues. I put Pearce mag extensions on 30, feels close to the 19. all my pistols eat anything. Old tankers love 45ACP... |
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I'm a 1911 guy, but I'm actively attempting to sell a spare 1911 on 2 different gun boards to fund the purchase of a Gen4 G21. It will be an IWB carry gun and a nightstand gun. Glocks haven't really ever been something I could take a shine to until I handled a Gen4 for the first time. That's what I'm doing, anyways. I want the bigger gun that's easier to shoot, and then dress around it. Not buy something that's easier to carry, while being harder to shoot, IMO. |
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it says the G27 and G19 have the same width, and I know from my own experience that that isn't true (at least I know the grip is fatter on the G27). They are actually the same size, at least width. For your purposes I would get a 30S or a gen 4 21. As to these questions: 1) Is it as reliable as the G21SF? 2) Will it handle a light comfortably? 3) Can it still function with the G21 and the other high capacity .45 ACP Glock magazines? The answer is Yes to all. I'd like a 30S but I'd rather wait until they have a gen 4 version out. I carry a 9mm or .40 though, the .45s are just toys for me 
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If your looking for a nightstand gun but like the smaller glocks, get a 30, or 30sf. Buy some 13rd g21 mags and a light.
I personally chose a 21sf for nightstand duty and also comfortably carry it around the house/yard. Never had a reliability issue with any of the glocks I own ( 30, 21sf) or any glock I've ever shot for that matter (17,19,27,31) |
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I know the 30 can take a light on the rail, I just wasn't sure about clearance. My 19 looks like a light would be a tight fit, so I wasn't sure if the 30 would be worse. I know it has a rail, so it obviously holds something, I just wasn't sure if my options were limited or if the light would be hard to operate that close to the trigger guard. The distance between the trigger guard and the light rail is the same on all models. The only difference is how far the light sticks out past the muzzle (or in the case of the longer guns, how far the muzzle sticks out past the light). It'll work fine. |
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The 30S specifically targets the carry market. There are trade-offs made to enhance the ability to carry. This one shouldn't even be on your list for HD.
As for reliability, my 30S consistently has FTFs with mags that my (multiple) 30SFs are OK with. I've had to test and mark my mags for 30S compatibility. Roughly 40 to 50% of the mags I've tested are no-go in the 30S. 21SF FTW. Or maybe a 41? |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the SF and the S should have the same frames, only the the slides would be different.
It wouldn't make sense to have the S have the old, fat frame to me. old 30 = fat grip, fat slide newer 30 = fat grip with rail, fat slide 36 = single stack frame, slimmer slide despite the fact that it would still fit on the fat frame 30g4 = fat slide, short gen 4 frame 30SF = short frame, fat slide 30S = short frame, slim slide ************************************** I leave myself the out that I could be wrong 
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Why would you give yourself a shorter sight radius, lower magazine capacity, and smaller grip with a firearm that you plan on defending yourself and other with.
"I wish I had a lower magazine capacity and it was harder to aim " said no one ever in a gun fight. I am getting a .45 Glock for the nightstand when the G41 comes out. The G30, G30SF, and G30s were made for CCW like most other compact and sub compact pistols. I would get one of the 21's or wait and get the 41 when it comes out. |
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Why would you give yourself a shorter sight radius, lower magazine capacity, and smaller grip with a firearm that you plan on defending yourself and other with. "I wish I had a lower magazine capacity and it was harder to aim " said no one ever in a gun fight. I am getting a .45 Glock for the nightstand when the G41 comes out. The G30, G30SF, and G30s were made for CCW like most other compact and sub compact pistols. I would get one of the 21's or wait and get the 41 when it comes out. Yep. HTR. |
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Sounds like you have carry guns covered with your G27 & 19.
For bedside use, concealment isn't an issue. I use a BCM AR15 with an aimpoint and a surefire light. My second choice is my M1 Super 90 w/ surefire. If I had to pick a hand gun, I'd want something with a long sight radius, light rail, and full size frame. Glock 34, 35, and soon 41. My second pick would be the standard full size guns: G17, 22, and 21... with a light. |