Posted: 11/28/2012 3:16:54 PM EDT
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It seems there are quite a few threads regarding ejection issues with Glocks but no thread consolidating members' attempted fixes, Glock's service, results, etc. Every thread has a couple of different members posting about how they are going to try parts swaps or send their gun to Glock but little in terms of results. With your help I'd like to create a thread in which everyone can post their experiences/results so we all can see what worked or didn't work for what gun. It will also be a source for answers to the frequently asked questions of "Are Glocks still having ejection issues?", "I thought only Gen 4s have ejection issues?", "Will this part fix my Glock?", etc. If you are having or have had BTF/FTE issues please post your gun details if you don't mind as well as frequency of BTF/FTE, ammo used, attempted fixes by yourself or Glock, results, etc. Maybe we'll find an answer to the problem.  Gun Details: Gen 3 G19 with TNR serial, dipped extractor, 336 ejector, Gen 4 mags with ".6" followers. Issue: Brass to the face with roughly 1/3 of cheap 115gr Federal and Winchester. A couple of BTFs per mag with 124 +p Gold Dots. Nearly all shots fired from a Gen 4 33 round mag with ".6" follower resulted in BTF. Attempted fixes: LWD(LCI) extractor did not help. Glock has been contacted by email with no response. |
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I think the forum needs a sticky for the topic. There's already a 3-page'er in this section, but I agree that the volume of complaints warrants a more consolidated and focused discussion.
Regarding the email issue, most people I've heard from (and myself as well) have had to call instead of email... not many responses coming via email. Mods, is it time for a sticky yet? The board is littered with similar threads. Also... Gen3 G17, stock except for ghost trigger and ext mag release. Shooting 115gr Federal (200rds) and 124gr S&B (400-600rds) 336 ejector |
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what i would like to see is for someone to drop in an older style 90°, or non-LCI 15°, extractor into a Glock with BTF problems (it may be necessary to swap in a non-LCI spring loaded bearing). it seems that all the problems started when the LCI 15° extractor became standard on Gen 3/4 models... |
| I'm planning to send in my Gen 3 Glock 19 into Glock, but first I want to check exactly which parts are in it so I can tell if they change anything when they send it back. I don't know how to completely disassemble it, so I'm not familiar with what parts I want to look at. Any advice would be appreciated. :) |
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I have a early Gen4 G17 that threw brass back towards me occasionally with lighter loads, I replaced the RSA with the 012 and that helped some. then I tried the LWD .40 extractor and that helped alot, but it still wasn't perfect so I polished the extractor and now the gun runs perfect probably around 98% of the time which is good enough for me.
I have a late build Gen4 G19 that has all the current parts(as of May '12) and it threw brass back worse than the G17. I tried the LWD extractor and that made it worse so I polished the OEM extractor and now the guns runs almost perfect. |
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Quoted: I'm planning to send in my Gen 3 Glock 19 into Glock, but first I want to check exactly which parts are in it so I can tell if they change anything when they send it back. I don't know how to completely disassemble it, so I'm not familiar with what parts I want to look at. Any advice would be appreciated. :) Reports are they swap the ejector and/or extractor if they swap anything at all with varying results. Your ejector is likely a "336" ejector. They may or may not replace it with a 30274 ejector. The ejectors are quite different from one and other. You can Google and see the difference. The latest extractor is a "non-dipped" extractor as opposed to the "dipped" extractor they've been putting in Gen 3s & 4s. You should also be able to do a search to get a better idea of what extractor you currently have. I've been doing a lot of reading on the issue and there doesn't seem to be a solid consensus on what the true fix is. The popular combo seems to be a 30274 ejector and Apex extractor. I am honestly starting to regret buying a Glock. If I wanted to buy a pistol and have to put $60+ worth of parts in it to make it acceptable I would have bought an M&P 9 and Apex trigger kit. |
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Quoted: I have a late build Gen4 G19 that has all the current parts(as of May '12) and it threw brass back worse than the G17. I tried the LWD extractor and that made it worse so I polished the OEM extractor and now the guns runs almost perfect. I had the same results with the LWD extractor. I think I'll try polishing it and see what happens. |
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G17 Gen 4 purchased 3 weeks ago. Mailed it back to Glock yesterday due to weak and erratic ejection. Was better with strong ammo but still would throw 1 or 2 bad ones per mag. With regular range ammo 2-4 per mag. Brass barely poops out. Bad ejections would hit right arm, head and chest. Both times I shot it I had at least 1 fall to my left.
Gun has latest spring and recommended ejector. I will update when I get it back and test it. |
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SYK-prefix G19 Gen 3, April 2012 test-fire. 336 ejector.
BTF multiple times per mag with PMC Bronze 115gr. FMJ, Independence 115gr. FMJ, and Speer Gold Dot 147 gr. Haven't tried to fix it or get it fixed yet, but I've stopped shooting the gun. I'll get around to it, been really busy. |
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Alright I've posted this somewhere else but here it goes.
Gen 3 G19, SSZ serial prefix, cartridge casing envelope fire date Feb/12 Originally 336 ejector and distinguishing marks on the extractor are LCI/Dipped with a '2' on the flat of the cylinder portion . About 40-45 brass to face and 1 stovepipe in 300 rounds on first outing. 200 was WWB 115 and 100 Federal 115. Noticed ejection was most erratic with WWB which has been widely noted. Second outing I shot 150 rounds and don't recall what brand. I replaced the ejector with the updated Gen4 part (NOTE: used original trigger housing block) and replaced trigger bar with a Gen 3 G17. Noticed improved ejection but had several stovepipes while Surefire X300 was mounted. Unsatisfied, I purchased a LWD .40 extractor. Once on the range I swapped ejectors to original configuration and installed the new extractor. Pretty much same ejection pattern as previous configuration and still several stovepipes when the X300 was mounted. Then I swapped ejectors again to the updated Gen 4 and left the extractor in place in the slide. Experienced a stovepipe on the 3rd round of this configuration with X300 mounted but after a magazine the ejection seemed very strong and consistent and since then I have not experienced a single stoppage in 1000 rounds light on or off the pistol. I consider the issue resolved and have also gained confidence enough in this pistol to purchase and install a set of Warren Tactical 2 dot night sights. I did not contact Glock to resolve this issue because I felt confident I could resolve this issue with replacement/modification of parts, and I figured I could buy the ejector at the same time I bought the G17 trigger. |
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Just bought a gen 3 19 and took it out today. I only got 50 though it during a break in training but it couldn't be more consistent in ejection. I changed my grip up trying to get it to do something but it piled everything at about the 4 o'clock neatly. I haven't tore the slide down but the ejector is a 336.
Love this glock. |
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Just bought a gen 3 19 and took it out today. I only got 50 though it during a break in training but it couldn't be more consistent in ejection. I changed my grip up trying to get it to do something but it piled everything at about the 4 o'clock neatly. I haven't tore the slide down but the ejector is a 336. Love this glock. Excellent. While I'm still hearing some problems with very recent manufactured Glocks, there doesn't seem to be nearly as many reports as there were. |
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Just an update, got my Gen 3 Glock 17 back last night. Shipping paperwork said:
INSPECTED UPGRADE MEETS FACTORY SPECS TESTED OK. I saw that it still had the 336 ejector last night, and I called this morning to ask what had been done to the gun, and was told the extractor had been replaced. I wasn't able to get a clear answer on whether it had been replaced with an updated version, or just another of the old version. Anyway, I've got pseudo-in-laws coming this weekend and the 5 of us are going to go to the range where a wide variety of hands and experience levels will get time on this gun. Would love to get 100 rounds through it, but I'll probably have to go back alone another day and test some more. In the interim, at least I can get back to dry fire practice. 
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Just bought a gen 3 19 and took it out today. I only got 50 though it during a break in training but it couldn't be more consistent in ejection. I changed my grip up trying to get it to do something but it piled everything at about the 4 o'clock neatly. I haven't tore the slide down but the ejector is a 336. Love this glock. Excellent. While I'm still hearing some problems with very recent manufactured Glocks, there doesn't seem to be nearly as many reports as there were. Forgot to add, mine is a TRV with the casings showing 8/12 test fire. Non dipped extractor. |
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I'm thinking of having my girlfriend film me shooting my Gen 3 G17 at the range if I start taking BTF again, now that I've got the gun back from the factory. People are so fast to dismiss this issue as "limp wristing" that I almost feel like I need proof to back up my claims. Admittedly, I'm a newer shooter... but with the 10-15 other pistols I've shot in the last several months, I've never once had FTF/BTF/Stovepiping or any other issues... and 3 of those were Glocks, one being a rental G17. Everything from 115gr Blazer Brass and Federal up to 124gr S&B.
The G17 is comfortable for me, great fit for my hands, and I'm accurate for my experience level with it. But frankly, at this point, if my own "human error" is causing these problems then I'll just be selling the gun. There's no reason every single gun I've touched, from sub-compact to full-size, should mechanically outperform my G17 in this arena. Girlfriend is getting a XD 9MM this weekend, and at this point I'm kinda wishing I'd done the same. |
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Quoted: I'm thinking of having my girlfriend film me shooting my Gen 3 G17 at the range if I start taking BTF again, now that I've got the gun back from the factory. People are so fast to dismiss this issue as "limp wristing" that I almost feel like I need proof to back up my claims. Admittedly, I'm a newer shooter... but with the 10-15 other pistols I've shot in the last several months, I've never once had FTF/BTF/Stovepiping or any other issues... and 3 of those were Glocks, one being a rental G17. Everything from 115gr Blazer Brass and Federal up to 124gr S&B. The G17 is comfortable for me, great fit for my hands, and I'm accurate for my experience level with it. But frankly, at this point, if my own "human error" is causing these problems then I'll just be selling the gun. There's no reason every single gun I've touched, from sub-compact to full-size, should mechanically outperform my G17 in this arena. Girlfriend is getting a XD 9MM this weekend, and at this point I'm kinda wishing I'd done the same. I've never had the problem before and I've been shooting for 10 years longer than you. It's not limp wristing. I'm starting to believe it's an issue with the slide or frames. Either where the extractor goes in the slide or where the trigger housing(and ejector) go in the frame. It would make sense as to why different extractors/ejectors and combos work on some guns but not others. I'm still carrying my 100% flawless XD9SC; the gun my G19 was supposed to replace. I guess I should have bought an XDM 3.8 Compact instead. Glock has so many more options and aftermarket parts(one of the main reasons I attempted the switch from XD to Glock) but all that is moot if the gun is annoying to shoot at the range and a possible liability as a defense gun. |
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Just to update anyone who is still following this thread...
Took my Gen 3 G17 out yesterday for the first time since getting it back from the Glock factory. I put a mix of 115gr CCI Blazer Brass and 124gr S&B through it. The Blazer Brass was a disaster. Absolute disaster. I wasn't able to get one full mag in a box of 50 through the gun without ejection issues. It seemed like the last 4-5 rounds of every mag either bounced off my hat or just fell out the side of the gun. Some even managed to pop over to my left side. Extremely annoying. If I simply loaded one into the chamber, with or without a mag, the results were horrible (regardless of grain). Less problems with the S&B 124 gr, to the point where I could be convinced the problem is solved after maybe 200 more rounds. But not for the 115, and that pisses me off. I've heard it said that this gun doesn't do well with "underpowered" ammo and I have a feeling that's the exact response I'd get if I called Glock support again. The problem with the 115 was so ridiculous that I had my GF film a shot on my phone. Only needed one take and one shot, because the problem was that predictable. I'll try to get it on youtube tonight. Am I wrong to be a little upset that I have a Glock which chokes on anything 115gr? We were shooting 115gr Federal right before I sent it back, and that was a disaster too. Should I call and bitch at them some more? |
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Quoted: Am I wrong to be a little upset that I have a Glock which chokes on anything 115gr? We were shooting 115gr Federal right before I sent it back, and that was a disaster too. Should I call and bitch at them some more? Sorry to hear they didn't fix the issue for you. I wouldn't say you are wrong to be upset. I certainly am disappointed with my G19. It might be worth it to give them a call and see what they have to say. You could try asking them if they will exchange it for a Gen 4. Someone here claimed that worked for them(It was posted in one of the other brass-to-face/ejection issue threads. Don't know which one.). If that doesn't work, I'd insist on Glock sending you a shipping label. No way I'd pay to ship it to them twice. I was hoping you'd have better results but I'm not surprised you didn't. From reading the experience of others, it seems to be a 50/50 chance that Glock will actually send you a "fixed" pistol if you send it in to them. I think I am going to skip the whole hassle altogether and keep trying to fix mine on my own. The latest suggestion is that it is an extractor spring plunger issue. Swapping the LCI extractor plunger with an non-LCI version. You can get them for a couple of bucks so it's certainly worth a try. I'm going to order one but I doubt I'll be able to shoot the pistol until some time next month. |
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Am I wrong to be a little upset that I have a Glock which chokes on anything 115gr? We were shooting 115gr Federal right before I sent it back, and that was a disaster too. Should I call and bitch at them some more? Sorry to hear they didn't fix the issue for you. I wouldn't say you are wrong to be upset. I certainly am disappointed with my G19. It might be worth it to give them a call and see what they have to say. You could try asking them if they will exchange it for a Gen 4. Someone here claimed that worked for them(It was posted in one of the other brass-to-face/ejection issue threads. Don't know which one.). If that doesn't work, I'd insist on Glock sending you a shipping label. No way I'd pay to ship it to them twice. I was hoping you'd have better results but I'm not surprised you didn't. From reading the experience of others, it seems to be a 50/50 chance that Glock will actually send you a "fixed" pistol if you send it in to them. I think I am going to skip the whole hassle altogether and keep trying to fix mine on my own. The latest suggestion is that it is an extractor spring plunger issue. Swapping the LCI extractor plunger with an non-LCI version. You can get them for a couple of bucks so it's certainly worth a try. I'm going to order one but I doubt I'll be able to shoot the pistol until some time next month. I've read that around here as a potential fix too. Sounds like some speculation about faulty machining of the slide as well. I'm doing just as you said tomorrow: calling Glock and asking for an explanation. At this point though, their handling of this has cemented my G17 as my LAST Glock purchase. What a disappointment. Will probably try the Apex extractor before I mail it back to Glock again so they can do f*ck-all to it. Again. |
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Quoted: Will probably try the Apex extractor before I mail it back to Glock again so they can do f*ck-all to it. Again. It might be worth it to give Glock another chance. If they have any kind of customer service sense they won't ask you to pay shipping again. The Apex extractor isn't cheap, is currently on back-order, and Apex suggests you have the 30274 ejector(which you'd also have to buy) installed for best results. |
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I'm thinking of having my girlfriend film me shooting my Gen 3 G17 at the range if I start taking BTF again, now that I've got the gun back from the factory. People are so fast to dismiss this issue as "limp wristing" that I almost feel like I need proof to back up my claims. Admittedly, I'm a newer shooter... but with the 10-15 other pistols I've shot in the last several months, I've never once had FTF/BTF/Stovepiping or any other issues... and 3 of those were Glocks, one being a rental G17. Everything from 115gr Blazer Brass and Federal up to 124gr S&B. The G17 is comfortable for me, great fit for my hands, and I'm accurate for my experience level with it. But frankly, at this point, if my own "human error" is causing these problems then I'll just be selling the gun. There's no reason every single gun I've touched, from sub-compact to full-size, should mechanically outperform my G17 in this arena. Girlfriend is getting a XD 9MM this weekend, and at this point I'm kinda wishing I'd done the same. My new Glock 19gen4 will not BTF even while purposefully limp wristing or shooting off hand. It aggravates me when people say this too. Mine has been good to go for 300 rounds. We will see if it stays that way. I also believe the extractor spring could be the issue more than the extractor, although one poster said they transferred all the parts into an old slide and didn't have any problems. |
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Just called Glock, got another shipping label. They said they put 85rds through the gun after changing the ejector and had no problems. Funny, since we're both using CCI Blazer to test.
I'm taking another 100 Blazer Brass 115gr rounds to the range on Thursday, and will buy more 124gr S&B while I'm there. Took a video of myself last time, and may ask another shooter or the range attendant to put a mag through for me to film if I'm having the problem again this time. The 115gr last time was giving me ~4 out of every 17 to the head or dribbling out the side or bouncing over the slide to my left. The support rep said I should include the video, and I'd like to be able to send enough proof with my new shipment that they either send me back a 100% fixed gun or a 100% new one. Any other tests you guys can think of to show I'm not full of *** or "limp wristing" the gun? |