Posted: 10/23/2012 9:48:36 PM EDT
| My question to them was can i shoot +p+ ammo in my Glock 19 and 17. They responded with we do not recommend +p+ ammo in your Glock. So i don't know what to do cause i see guys on youtube shooting +p+ ammo and threads online with guys saying they have shot it with no problems. To my understanding +p+ ammo is very close to Glock's psi limit so regular use of this should wear the gun out more than usual correct me if i am wrong. |
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ASFAIK, there is no set pressure limits for +P+ set by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, thus one brands +P+ could be very different form another brands and Glock cannot account for that.
Not to mention that +P+ seems more of a gimmick than anything else. |
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This ammo test got me interested in it, and i don't think he eats spoons full of cinnamon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMiI8VcPQ3c&list=PL727CAFF8A6C0D3BF&index=45&feature=plpp_video |
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It's a Glock, don't worry about it... ???? Have you shot any +P+ ammo? I shoot Win 127 ranger +P+ quite frequently as that is my carry load. I have not had any problems with it. I would not shoot +P+ from the smaller manufactures like underwood or double tap as I am leary about how they test chamber pressure, if they do at all |
The problem with getting an e-mail from Glock, is that you have no more idea about that e-mailer's qualifications than you do about somebody on a forum like this. Lots of police departments issue +p+ ammo, and over 70% of police departments use Glocks. Figure it out for yourself. My G26 daily carry and my nightstand G17 are loaded up with +p+. Think I'll be asking some clerk @ Glock for his/her opinion? 
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The problem with getting an e-mail from Glock, is that you have no more idea about that e-mailer's qualifications than you do about somebody on a forum like this. Lots of police departments issue +p+ ammo, and over 70% of police departments use Glocks. Figure it out for yourself. My G26 daily carry and my nightstand G17 are loaded up with +p+. Think I'll be asking some clerk @ Glock for his/her opinion? That is why i am trying to get the answers from the best possible places like from glock or on here. thanks for the reply. |
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My local PD just switched from .40 to 9mm. They shoot +P+ now. The department policy is to shoot no more than 100 rounds of +P+ a year.
Hopefully they shoot more than that in a lower pressure for practice, I'm assuming this is limiting their +P+ ammo to qualification/duty use. |
| Glock won't recommend reloads, either, for the same obvious reasons. However, they're aware that many of their shooters shoot reloads. I use nothing but my reloads for almost all of my range work; however, I do use factory loads for daily carry. I also wouldn't hesitate to use my reloads for s.d., should the occasion arise. |
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ASFAIK, there is no set pressure limits for +P+ set by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, thus one brands +P+ could be very different form another brands and Glock cannot account for that. Not to mention that +P+ seems more of a gimmick than anything else. This. As there is no SAMMI spec for "+P+" its anyones guess how hot a particular brand is. It's 99% marketing malarky. Same with those shitheads that advertise ".380 +P"................no SAMMI spec exists for such an animal. |
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Like has been said, there is no SAAMI spec for 9mm +P+. A lot of people shoot it, but you'll want to make sure you are getting it from a reputable source since there isn't a spec for it.
It's the same idea as the .40 marketed as +P. I am guilty of risking my hands shooting some .40 marketed as +P, hopefully Underwood maintains their quality so I can maintain my hands. |
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I have fired more than 1,000 of Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ in my Glock 17 Gen 3. No problem or adverse wear. No manufacturer will say yes to anything except for factory quality brand names for legal reasons.
I switched back to 9mm from 40 S&W like many. The modern 9mm (top quality brands ) are just as effective as any 40 out there. Would I shoot it every day?. Of course not. Not because of the pressure but because of the cost. I use 9mm +P+ for carry and SD. |
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Like has been said, there is no SAAMI spec for 9mm +P+. A lot of people shoot it, but you'll want to make sure you are getting it from a reputable source since there isn't a spec for it. It's the same idea as the .40 marketed as +P. I am guilty of risking my hands shooting some .40 marketed as +P, hopefully Underwood maintains their quality so I can maintain my hands. Yea hopfully cause that underwood ammo is looking real nice in 147 +P+. |
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Quoted: ASFAIK, there is no set pressure limits for +P+ set by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, thus one brands +P+ could be very different form another brands and Glock cannot account for that. Not to mention that +P+ seems more of a gimmick than anything else. Correct. +P is designated as <10% over SAMMI limits which for the 9x19 is 35000 + 3500 (10%) = 38500psi. +P+ is >10% greater than SAMMI limits and there is no one standard as to how much additional pressure is allowed. There are only a handful of "official" +P rounds recognized by SAMMI to include the 9mm +P, .38Special +P, .45Auto +P, .38SuperAutomatic +P & .257Roberts +P. |
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ASFAIK, there is no set pressure limits for +P+ set by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, thus one brands +P+ could be very different form another brands and Glock cannot account for that. Not to mention that +P+ seems more of a gimmick than anything else. Correct. +P is designated as <10% over SAMMI limits which for the 9x19 is 35000 + 3500 (10%) = 38500psi. +P+ is >10% greater than SAMMI limits and there is no one standard as to how much additional pressure is allowed. There are only a handful of "official" +P rounds recognized by SAMMI to include the 9mm +P, .38Special +P, .45Auto +P, .38SuperAutomatic +P & .257Roberts +P. This. +P+ just means that "this ammo exceeds the SAAMI specs designed to make ammo safe." |
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The problem with getting an e-mail from Glock, is that you have no more idea about that e-mailer's qualifications than you do about somebody on a forum like this. Lots of police departments issue +p+ ammo, and over 70% of police departments use Glocks. Figure it out for yourself. My G26 daily carry and my nightstand G17 are loaded up with +p+. Think I'll be asking some clerk @ Glock for his/her opinion? That is why i am trying to get the answers from the best possible places like from glock or on here. thanks for the reply. I'd say the best possible source of information would be from Glock, whom you reported saying they don't recommend it. That's all I'd need to hear; if you kaboom your G with +p+ ammo that's going to be on you, not them. |
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It's a Glock, don't worry about it... ???? Have you shot any +P+ ammo? Yes I have. Keep in mind, you aren't doing mag dump after mag dump of the stuff. Also keep in mind that the raised pressure stuff is kept to lower weight bullets, typically as follows - +p+ in 115 +p in 124 p in 147 (for lack of a better term) You will see similar chamber pressures for all these rounds as the more weigh there is to push out the barrel, the more pressure that builds. I would have zero concern for running any factory ammunition through any one of my Glocks. OP, research setback and reloading under the influence as to reasons of blown up guns, not shooting hot duty ammo. |
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As someone posted already. There is no set measure for +p+ in a spec sheet anywhere.
So anything that is above +p is and could be considered +p+. As you can imagine they can't tell you yeah you are good to go and have billy bob ammo inc. make a really hot load and blow up your gun and hurt you in the process and then you would come crying saying glock said it was ok. Get it? |
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It's a Glock, don't worry about it... ???? Have you shot any +P+ ammo? Yes I have. Keep in mind, you aren't doing mag dump after mag dump of the stuff. Also keep in mind that the raised pressure stuff is kept to lower weight bullets, typically as follows - +p+ in 115 +p in 124 p in 147 (for lack of a better term) You will see similar chamber pressures for all these rounds as the more weigh there is to push out the barrel, the more pressure that builds. I would have zero concern for running any factory ammunition through any one of my Glocks. OP, research setback and reloading under the influence as to reasons of blown up guns, not shooting hot duty ammo. Thanks and way ahead of you about bullet setback and reloading. |