Posted: 12/27/2004 8:12:10 PM EDT
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So? What do you all think of it? Will this round really even stick around? Kinda think they would have brought this out in a compact of pocket pistol considering this round is supposed to help a 45 be more compact. |
| not sure, supposed to have a few new models at the shot show. My father bought one b/c it fit his hand better, but I have not seen much brass at the ranges. Loading data isn't too different than 45 ACP, just need the brass and make sure not to mix up 45 acp and GAP brass. You don't want to put a large pistol primer in a small primer case. |
| Too few pistols chambered for it, does nothing .45acp wont do. It makes up for the one thing the .40 lacks....adequate caliber. It's doomed, the .45 guys will buy the acp. The .40 crowd will insist theirs is big enough. This leaves keyboard commandos and noobies. Not enough reason to survive. |
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i think the gimmick was acp slide on a 9/40 body handling them s/s the 37 is a bit smaller chamber walls look WAY thin. kaboom thin. the question i had walking away was: under what circumstance would i carry this out of the house instead of a g22? never +1 on thinking they should have put it in a compact 1st. makes a lot more sense than a full size, imho |
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Well this is why I will be going with .40 for CCW. I wish I had the hands for a .45 BUT I have to be comfortable with what I shoot. I am not comfortable with SA pieces for CCW (if I could carry on my hip maybe but here in MI you have to carry so no one knows you are carrying) and there is just not a .45 in DA/SA which I have held that has felt comfortable and controlable in my hands. If the .45 gap was to become more common and other people were to produce it odds are it would be my ideal ccw BUT people with small hands like me are the minority and there arent enough of us for the .45 gap to take off. |
| A friend of mine works for Glock, INC and hinted that Glock will introduce the G38 & G39 at "SHOT" next month. The G38 is supposed to be the 45GAP subcompact. The GAP case is not a 45ACP shortened, it is a re-enforced/re-designed case. IIRC Kimber is chambering a pistol in the 45GAP and XD already has one available. I do know that LAPD approved the G37 but as far as I know it is not a issue weapon. |
I'd have to disagree with that - it does ballistically (in the tests I've seen, anyway) at least what a .45ACP will do but in a smaller package. If cartridge/handgun/grip size doesn't matter to you at all, then you're right - it "does nothing .45acp wont do." Mind you, I'm not saying it will succeed - just pointing out that it does have a reasonable purpose & could fill a niche...  FTR, I considered buying one earlier this year & actually went to do it - came home with a G21 (.45ACP) instead.  But I still might try one down the road...
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Agencies Using the .45 G.A.P. Cartridge: (Note: If you have additions and/or corrections, please email: [email protected]) Colorado, Denver Police Department – Glock 37 Kansas, Burden Police Department – Glock 37 Wyoming, Powell Police Department -- Glock 37 Florida, Orange County Sheriff's Office – not confirmed yet NC, Raleigh Dept --- 1st to adopt the Glock 37 – not confirmed yet Some others are in the process but not far enough along to mention yet. |
Most SA pistols have more manual controls than the glock, if you are uncomfortable carrying a SA auto concealed why on earth would you be happy with the glock? If you fancy a slim .45acp in a DA you might consider the Para ordnance LDA single stack. Yes I know this is posted in the Glock forum and I'll probably need a nomex suit to survive the flaming I'll get from the above SA/Glock comments.... just deal with it folks, I've owned glocks and SA autos. Back to the original question, GAP is doomed. So is the .357sig, the .41E was a great cartridge with lots of advantages but couldnt stand the test of time. None of these will ever do any better than the .41magnum. You can find it in gunshops usually but your average hardware store will never stock it and when you left your stash at home you wont be able to find it near your shooting/hunting/fishing spot. It shall be forever obscure and a curiosity regardless of how whizbang neato it may be. |
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If only HK liked this round... I would love a P2000 in the .45 gap For now it looks like I will be sticking with the 9 mm for a CCW. .45 gap Glock they need it in a subcompact .40 cal scares me with all the KB stories I have heard in the boards the past couple days since I have really started to look for a CCW piece. |
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The new subcompact G39 (six rounds) and compact G38 (8 rounds) will be announced at the shot show at end of January. Gun writers will be testing the pistols the day before the show begins. Glock is definitely throwing some muscle behind their new caliber. Basicially, the GAP was designed to do what standard velocity ACP does, except the GAP is more flexible for fitting into 9/40 sized pistols and small guns, as well as the full sized ones. Since multiple agencies are starting to authorize the GAP and since it has 16 factory loads, and since Springfield is coming out with 3 GAP models, and CZ and possibly others have working models that they are testing, I'd say the new GAP is doing pretty well for a brand new caliber. It seems to be finding a lieast a little niche to exist in. Folks that actually test the GAP seem to like it. Another nice feature of the GAP is that the brass is really tough, adding a level of security against blow outs. nuff said. |
How frequent are blow outs? I have never had one. I've seen many cracked .45 ACP cases fire fine. The pressure is not that high. |