Posted: 6/24/2012 1:14:27 AM EDT
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What happened to the good old days when Glocks actually worked? All that reputation for being the most reliable gun and now this? I just purchased a gen4 g19 FDE frame with all the new parts 2 weeks ago. Took it out to the range, seemed to be ejecting fine and all but then all of the sudden it freakin stovepiped!! WTF?!!?! Less than 200 rounds through the gun and already a malfunction. I got rid of it, but WTF happened to all the greatness of the gen 3's??
I had a 08 G19 with about 1k rounds through it which never had a malfunction (i know it's not a lot of rounds compared to some, but still). Unfortunately I had to sell it, which of course I now regret. I wish I could say that I'd be buying another Glock, but until these issues are resolved I think I'm gonna pass them over. What the hell is going on? Are they afraid to admit they have a problem? When will they actually resolve it? Obviously there's problems. Every gun forum I'm on is aware. How is Glock ignoring this? And don't get me started on the whole "limited FDE frame" situation. Best sales idea ever. "Let's turn our crappy unreliable guns flavor of the month FDE and see if that gets sales up", and it worked like a charm. People (like me) even reluctantly bought the gen4's because they wanted the FDE frame and I'm assuming (like me) couldn't find the gen3 FDE frames. The gun was accurate, a great buy, and looked nice. But what use is all that if you can't even get it to work right? Yes I know some guns have break-in periods and such, but I still think it is kind of ridiculous to need one. I thought that the problems were just internet rumors. I have heard mixed reviews about the gen3's as well, which pretty much blows. I shoot Glocks pretty well and I like the simple manual of arms and all the features of Glocks, plus the parts and holster selection, but this is just saddening. Just had to rant a bit. |
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Rx: Valium, psychotherapy. If that's just a little rant, I'd hate to be around for the real deal!!! Glocks don't need to be broken-in. Glock shooers sometimes do, though. However, if one happens to get a bad round of ammo or happens to use a bad grip once in a few hundred rounds and the pistol stovepipes, I certainly wouldn't "write off" the pistol so quickly.
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I have a gen 4 g19 and have had zero problems with many rounds down the pipe. Based on how mad you are with one little stovepipe, this glock shouldn't be the only gun you get rid of. I've had my 2012 made gen 3 19 for about 3 weeks now and have 510 problem free rounds through it . 200 rounds Winchester value pack and 300 rounds Tula steel case ( likes this the best ) and 10 hornady defence rounds to see how they shot . It's my first glock , I don't see any problem with Glock . |
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Quoted: Are they afraid to admit they have a problem? When will they actually resolve it? Obviously there's problems. Every gun forum I'm on is aware. How is Glock ignoring this? They aren't afraid to admit it, they're just being smart and not admitting it. If they came out and honestly told us what percentage of their guns are being returned it would be a marketing gold mine for their competitors. Business-wise, it's the smart move for them to do what they're doing: deny the problem, while fixing all the problematic guns that are getting shipped back to them, while trying to figure out why this is all happening. We've confirmed here that some guns manufactured as recently as March 2012 are still defective. I only hope that Glock is performing actual testing and quality control on their LEO contract guns, because a few dead officers with stove-piped Glocks next to their corpses will be the end of the company. |
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Quoted: And there is the real problem: some of the guns are quality Glocks that are reliable, and some, like mine, were such pieces of junk that they don't even qualify as range toys.Quoted: I have a gen 4 g19 and have had zero problems with many rounds down the pipe. Based on how mad you are with one little stovepipe, this glock shouldn't be the only gun you get rid of. I've had my 2012 made gen 3 19 for about 3 weeks now and have 510 problem free rounds through it . 200 rounds Winchester value pack and 300 rounds Tula steel case ( likes this the best ) and 10 hornady defence rounds to see how they shot . It's my first glock , I don't see any problem with Glock . We had another thread in this forum with three people with FDE Gen4 G19 with serial number SVY-###. One was running perfectly, one was malfunctioning some, and one was a lemon of the highest order. The inconsistency is what's creating so many problems. If every Glock was malfunctioning right off the assembly line, it would be easy to fix. But when it's only a percentage, then that tells me that either Glock doesn't understand the problem or they're trying several combinations of solutions at once and seeing what works based on what gets returned for warranty work. |
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Quoted: you got rid of a gun after one malfunction ?  Uh, yeah, kinda wondering where all this new gun bitching is coming from. My Sig SP looked like a shitbird when it was new, failing to go into battery due to tight slide/rail fit. After about 400 rounds it loosened up, and now has well over 11,000 rounds through it w/o issue (since break-in).. Mechanisms have a break-in period, even a Glock. Selling a gun because it had one stovepipe in the first 200 rounds is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. In my line of work, most people won't (or shouldn't) carry a weapon until its had at least 500 rounds down the pipe. My personal number is 700 rounds before I trust a weapon. |
Guys what don't we understand ?? this has been hashed around as many times as the old " Glock vs 1911" threads... As a quality manager in production you must understand this. There is a acceptable non comformance as far as applied to PPM ( parts per million ) Glock no doubt wants to have a zero % failure rate with their product. But this is an impossibility when mass producing a product- no matter what it is. Glock is well known for producing a quality product that functions as stated or even better . I bet if you look at their defective product % vs their non defective product % it would be very impressive. This is a man made product and as men- we are far from perfect. It will fail at some point and some bad product will get to the customer. That's the business. You just always hope it's not you that gets one of the lemons. Glock has great customer service so they should be able to fix any issues you have. Remember guys that no matter what you buy- there is a small chance you can get a defective product. I just hope it's not me 
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I actually didn't sell it just because of the malfunction; I kinda wanted something else. However, it is still a little crappy that it had a malfunction in such a low round count. I am still tempted to buy another one but this time I'll make it a gen 3 if I do. Still, I don't get to the range as often as I'd like, and this would be my only gun for any type of self defense. After this first range trip, it sure didn't inspire as much confidence as my old G19. We'll see what happens in the future
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And there is the real problem: some of the guns are quality Glocks that are reliable, and some, like mine, were such pieces of junk that they don't even qualify as range toys.
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I have a gen 4 g19 and have had zero problems with many rounds down the pipe. Based on how mad you are with one little stovepipe, this glock shouldn't be the only gun you get rid of. I've had my 2012 made gen 3 19 for about 3 weeks now and have 510 problem free rounds through it . 200 rounds Winchester value pack and 300 rounds Tula steel case ( likes this the best ) and 10 hornady defence rounds to see how they shot . It's my first glock , I don't see any problem with Glock . We had another thread in this forum with three people with FDE Gen4 G19 with serial number SVY-###. One was running perfectly, one was malfunctioning some, and one was a lemon of the highest order. The inconsistency is what's creating so many problems. If every Glock was malfunctioning right off the assembly line, it would be easy to fix. But when it's only a percentage, then that tells me that either Glock doesn't understand the problem or they're trying several combinations of solutions at once and seeing what works based on what gets returned for warranty work. Exactly. Mine was an SVY serial number. If they were all perfect like that one, it'd be great. Unfortunately they're not, which sucks. |
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I actually didn't sell it just because of the malfunction; I kinda wanted something else. However, it is still a little crappy that it had a malfunction in such a low round count. I am still tempted to buy another one but this time I'll make it a gen 3 if I do. Still, I don't get to the range as often as I'd like, and this would be my only gun for any type of self defense. After this first range trip, it sure didn't inspire as much confidence as my old G19. We'll see what happens in the future That's usually when you experience a lot of malfunctions, until the gun breaks in. |
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This is just my opinion, so take it for what it is worth. I may be completely wrong.
It seems to me that, when Glock retooled and brought out the Gen4 line, they started getting away from 9mm and started concentrating on .40. In a way, it makes sense. .40 is the largest LE caliber in the US and the US is likely Glock's largest and most consistent market. They have always catered to US LE and, since US LE is switching overwhelmingly to .40, it makes sense (in a way) for them to start concentrating on .40. What was the very first Gen4 gun introduced? The G22, the most popular LE gun that Glock makes. In the process of retooling to concentrate on .40, they also tried to make as many parts common between 9mm and .40 as they could. Good for them, if it works, since they have fewer parts to stock and catalog, thus cutting costs and simplifying logistics. This resulted in the 9mm guns having problems, since the Gen4 appear to me to be designed for .40 and not 9mm, as the very first Glocks were. Add in the shift towards MIM parts with the Gen4 and you have, to my way of thinking, a recipe for, if not outright disaster, then at least major problems. That is what Glock currently has, problems with 9mm. There have been some reported problems with some .40 guns, but the vast majority of the problems (that I have heard of or experienced, anyway) have been with the 9mm guns. This gets back into the old saying about sticking with the caliber that the gun was originally designed for. It seems to me that the newer guns were designed for .40, not 9mm, so there is the problem. It would be interesting to see if Glock has been having problems internationally with 9mm guns. Of course, no one will ever know unless some Glock insider comes forward with the info. Since 9mm is so much more popular outside the US than .40, Glock may be shooting themselves in the foot with their redesign of the guns. Sure, the US is, and always has been, a large part of Glock's market, but we're not their only market. Screw up a very good design to cater to one market and you very well may find yourself loosing another market. Guess we'll see how it plays out. Bub75 |
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so you sold a gun you believed to be defective....did you inform the person you sold it to?
all guns can malfunction,honestly it could have been ammo related or your lack of manly grip. i have a gen 4 19 that i got used from an idpa guy. no malfunctions and even had the old style RSA and 336 ejector |
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Every malfunction I've experienced with any of my Glocks has been induced by me. Either limp wristing due to shooting from an awkward position or riding the slide forward.
If I slam a fresh magazine home at slide lock it will bounce the lock and chamber a round, 9 out of 10 times. The tenth will fail to pick up a round. Again not a fault of the gun, its something I'm doing. My Gen 4 G21 has once or twice ejected a case directly on top of my right shoulder, one of which bounced up and into my collar and stayed against my neck till the string was shot. 
I must say I like the factory trigger on my Gen 4s better than the factory trigger on my Gen 3s. Otherwise I'm very pleased with the accuracy and reliability of all of them, they go bang every time. |
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I always allow for a 500 round break-in period for my new guns. Sometimes more, depending on how the first 500 do. After 1000 rounds if I still have problems that aren't ammo related, then it's time to start talking.
I'm 300 rounds into my first Gen 4.... A glock 26, with no issues whatsoever. 
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Every malfunction I've experienced with any of my Glocks has been induced by me. Either limp wristing due to shooting from an awkward position or riding the slide forward. If I slam a fresh magazine home at slide lock it will bounce the lock and chamber a round, 9 out of 10 times. The tenth will fail to pick up a round. Again not a fault of the gun, its something I'm doing. I think all guns should be allowed a good break in period of 500-1000 rounds before considering them reliable or flawed. Having said that, any gun that malfunctions due to a less than perfect technique is flawed IMO. This is exactly the reason I won't own an XDM. That grip safety of theirs is too small to be reliably disengaged, especially under stress or less than perfect conditions. I have Rugers, M&Ps and even a Taurus semi-auto that will reliably go bang everytime you pull the trigger regardless of limp wristing, bad grip, etc. When I test a gun, I do those things on purpose to see how they will respond. To be fair, the Glocks come out almost as good as the three other brands that I mentioned. I have had to send back Rugers, Smiths and Glocks over the years and no gun manufacturer is perfect all the time. I don't know why it is but especially in the Glock community, there is a tendency to blame the shooter if the gun doesn't function correctly. Sometimes it really is the gun. |
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I think the OP should sell the defective guns to me. Send me the list of guns and I'll send him $300 for each as disposal fees. We can do the transactions through my FFL. That way he doesn't have to hate Glock and will be much happier and stress free.
Just doing what I can to make people happy.
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Are they afraid to admit they have a problem? When will they actually resolve it? Obviously there's problems. Every gun forum I'm on is aware. How is Glock ignoring this? They aren't afraid to admit it, they're just being smart and not admitting it. If they came out and honestly told us what percentage of their guns are being returned it would be a marketing gold mine for their competitors. Business-wise, it's the smart move for them to do what they're doing: deny the problem, while fixing all the problematic guns that are getting shipped back to them, while trying to figure out why this is all happening. We've confirmed here that some guns manufactured as recently as March 2012 are still defective. I only hope that Glock is performing actual testing and quality control on their LEO contract guns, because a few dead officers with stove-piped Glocks next to their corpses will be the end of the company. Take this for what its worth, but I spoke to a friend of mine that just attended glock armors school two weeks ago, according to him the guy teaching the class said glocks position is that the problem is officially fixed and that any remaining malfunctions are due to user error. He said the newest generation of RSA " fixed " the problem and people are now complaining of problems with out of spec ammo such as wolf, brown bear, silver bear, etc. Again, this is second hand info from someone I trust and have known for over 15 years but call bullshit if you have to. |
