Posted: 6/22/2012 8:15:43 PM EDT
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I am sure Mr. Glock likes the fact he is making alot of money on gun sales in the United States. But has he ever commented on gun rights? About the relative freedom of gun ownership in the United States and the Second Amendment?
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Quoted: The recent book about Glock did not seem to paint a picture of Gaston having a very high opinion of American gun owners. Hell, I understand! Look at all the shit "we" bitched about, "the mags stick, the slide "release" is too small, the mag catch is too short, it's too slippery, now it's too rough, the grips too fat, the angle is all wrong, I'm a fat ass and need different backstraps, make the mag catch ambi, no wait make it reversible, why is the guide rod plastic!?" and on and on and on...  Not to mention the aftermarket dumbassery. |
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The recent book about Glock did not seem to paint a picture of Gaston having a very high opinion of American gun owners. Hell, I understand! Look at all the shit "we" bitched about, "the mags stick, the slide "release" is too small, the mag catch is too short, it's too slippery, now it's too rough, the grips too fat, the angle is all wrong, I'm a fat ass and need different backstraps, make the mag catch ambi, no wait make it reversible, why is the guide rod plastic!?" and on and on and on...
Not to mention the aftermarket dumbassery. Actually, it's because the American gun owner's complaint is that it's not a 1911. |
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I'd look at the beliefs of the guy who wrote "the recent book" about Gaston regarding firearms and the 2nd. All will be revealed. By his actions as enumerated above, Gaston does more than most to support the 2nd. Gaston is a business man first and foremost. Do not confuse his desire to make money selling guns as support for a constitutional right in a foreign land. If he does support the 2nd, it is purely for his own benefit. |
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The recent book about Glock did not seem to paint a picture of Gaston having a very high opinion of American gun owners. Hell, I understand! Look at all the shit "we" bitched about, "the mags stick, the slide "release" is too small, the mag catch is too short, it's too slippery, now it's too rough, the grips too fat, the angle is all wrong, I'm a fat ass and need different backstraps, make the mag catch ambi, no wait make it reversible, why is the guide rod plastic!?" and on and on and on...
Not to mention the aftermarket dumbassery. Actually, it's because the American gun owner's complaint is that it's not a 1911. Then I agree with Gaston Oh and thanks for GSSF. And thanks for not turning into what Sig Sauer has Just make good, boring glocks and I don't care what his personal beliefs are |
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I'd look at the beliefs of the guy who wrote "the recent book" about Gaston regarding firearms and the 2nd. All will be revealed. By his actions as enumerated above, Gaston does more than most to support the 2nd. Gaston is a business man first and foremost. Do not confuse his desire to make money selling guns as support for a constitutional right in a foreign land. If he does support the 2nd, it is purely for his own benefit. +10. The book about Glock was quite eye opening. The Glock handgun is impressive from a technology perspective, but it can't be evaluated solely on it's mechanics. One also has to consider Glock's business practices (both legitimate and shady) and events in the United States at the time that made it the success that it is today. |
| Some of you guys act like you actually have had conversations with Gaston Glock about his views on the 2nd, busness practices, etc. What the hell do any of us know about what Gaston thinks? Spouting off authoritatively, as if you actually know something that you don't is pubescently ignorant. I'm pretty happy with the performance of Glock as a business in America. |
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Some of you guys act like you actually have had conversations with Gaston Glock about his views on the 2nd, busness practices, etc. What the hell do any of us know about what Gaston thinks? Spouting off authoritatively, as if you actually know something that you don't is pubescently ignorant. I'm pretty happy with the performance of Glock as a business in America. Life's no fun without a good conspiracy. |
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Ruger was in favor of the AWB and mag capacity limits. Kind of, sort of, It was really an appeasement strategy. The Neville Chamberlain of the gun industry. And, as usual with an appeasement strategy, the government took advantage of his conciliatory offering and really cornholed us. Moral of the story. NO DEALS. ALL OR NOTHING. Look at FOPA 86 as an example of the give a little/ take a little approach. Anyways, thats a different topic for a different time. Let's not get hung up on that. Bill is dead, and his company is hugely innovative and successful in bringing really nice American-made products to the market. Let's leave it at that. Back to Gaston. Look at is this way. As a major player in the worldwide arms industry centered in Europe, he could look to his contemporaries run his company like the aloof, detached Hk, the dastardly, lying, sanctions defying Belgians at FN, or the MTV-inpsired whores at Sig Sauer. Instead he brings a damn good product to the market, makes incremental changes when overwhelmingly forced to, and stand behind it no matter what. His guns stick to the core principals and enjoy good standing worldwide. His contributions in the US has been outstanding by founding GSSF and funding and encouraging sponsored teams in other shooting sports. His contributions to LEO's by offering them a substantially discounted personal purchase program is nothing short of pure consideration for the reality that our officers need good equipment to protect themselves, and they are not all making $70k yr before overtime. Gaston has personally lost millions of dollars from high level US and European executives absconding and embezzling HIS money. Maybe he was too rich to care beyond the principal of the acts, but he didn't seem to care that much to cut into quality or peripheral programs. So, I doubt everything is JUST about money at this point with Gaston. Not to mention his family latching onto the fortune recently. He has been everything I'd want out of the founder of Glock. What do you guy's want? Some weird Ted Nugent guy pounding on congress's door? No. That is our Job. Let him do his job.  Before you ask if some rich old fart in Austria is doing enough for OUR 2nd A. Ask yourself if YOU are doing enough for YOUR 2nd A.
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Some of you guys act like you actually have had conversations with Gaston Glock about his views on the 2nd, busness practices, etc. What the hell do any of us know about what Gaston thinks? Spouting off authoritatively, as if you actually know something that you don't is pubescently ignorant. I'm pretty happy with the performance of Glock as a business in America. Dude, get off your high-horse. This is no different than standing around the water cooler talking about how the Patriots are going to do on 16 given Sunday's in the fall. |
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Bill Ruger is dead, has been dead, the stance of the company as a whole has taken a complete 180 since his death. Will we ever get over it? Full capacity mags, threaded barrels, good prices. What more can be asked of Ruger? As for Glock, I've never even thought about it. Nor do I care. Glocks are selling by the millions to those who matter: the American gun owners. What Gaston, Gaston Jr or the Michelin Man think about gun rights is of minimal consequence to me. Gaston Glock's #1 mission? To make money. And they do a good job of it selling good guns to those that want them. |
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Some of you guys act like you actually have had conversations with Gaston Glock about his views on the 2nd, busness practices, etc. What the hell do any of us know about what Gaston thinks? Spouting off authoritatively, as if you actually know something that you don't is pubescently ignorant. I'm pretty happy with the performance of Glock as a business in America. Dude, get off your high-horse. This is no different than standing around the water cooler talking about how the Patriots are going to do on 16 given Sunday's in the fall. Dude, if I were standing around the watercooler engaged in conversation, I wouldn't be running my mouth with an air of authority on subjects about which I obviously knew little-to-nothing! 
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I know Glock has donated money to the NRA. So at least in some way morally or at least financially they like us buying their guns. That is what the book points out. It even states in the book that Mr Glock really isn't interested in the subject other than people running ops for him here in US knew that without those efforts he couldn't sell weapons (although most of his sales were Government Sales). So in the end, the effect is the same but I have a feeling if Mr Glock felt the exact opposite stance would result in more profits than expect a turn around. |
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The recent book about Glock did not seem to paint a picture of Gaston having a very high opinion of American gun owners. Hell, I understand! Look at all the shit "we" bitched about, "the mags stick, the slide "release" is too small, the mag catch is too short, it's too slippery, now it's too rough, the grips too fat, the angle is all wrong, I'm a fat ass and need different backstraps, make the mag catch ambi, no wait make it reversible, why is the guide rod plastic!?" and on and on and on...
Not to mention the aftermarket dumbassery. EXACTLY! ^ |
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Look guys, I brought up Bill Ruger merely as an example of why I didn't particularly want to know what Glock's personal views were–– not to start a pissing match. Sorry. I'm happy knowing the functional truth of Glock's efforts on behalf of the US gun owner/shooter. I don't really need to know the underlying imperatives. |
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I'd look at the beliefs of the guy who wrote "the recent book" about Gaston regarding firearms and the 2nd. All will be revealed. By his actions as enumerated above, Gaston does more than most to support the 2nd. Gaston is a business man first and foremost. Do not confuse his desire to make money selling guns as support for a constitutional right in a foreign land. If he does support the 2nd, it is purely for his own benefit. +10. The book about Glock was quite eye opening. The Glock handgun is impressive from a technology perspective, but it can't be evaluated solely on it's mechanics. One also has to consider Glock's business practices (both legitimate and shady) and events in the United States at the time that made it the success that it is today. "Glock" author is a liberal douche bag. Read it all here. If you don't understand the underlying premise, read some more. |
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i have the book,the author had an agenda....he's not a very good writer either This. It was an anti-gun hit piece that passed opinions off as facts and got some technical aspects flat out wrong. Glock does a lot for the shooting community, for example: GSSF, sponsoring various other types of matches, and contributing to gun-rights organizations. They seem to go above and beyond what they need to do to protect the business. |
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the fact that they make 33rd mags readily available speaks volumes. i dont see a bunch of other mfgrs pumping those out Yup. The number of Glock 18's are probably more popular with Class III dealers and SOT's as post-samples than actual LE customers in the US. There are probably a few thousand out there in the US at most. |
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This is my opinion only: Bill Ruger was terrified that hunting rifles and handguns, which were his bread and butter, would be outlawed. He was willing to sacrifice the military/police market to salvage the bulk of his trade. His strategy was flawed, as most of us agree. It angered many people and some will never get over his mistakes inspite of his passing and the new and positive direction his company has taken since his death. I say hooray for Ruger Jr.
Gaston Glock made several mistakes based on selfishness. His attempt to hide income through shell enterprises and avoid taxes nearly cost him his life. Who wouldn't like to reduce their tax burden? The men involved in these schemes are nefarious from the start. You lay down with dogs and you'll get up with fleas. Luxembourg banking laws and secrecy makes Switzerland's rules look like tabloid news. I've been their once and discovered that even the farmer's fields have nice blacktop drives for the equipment to enter and exit. There is no shortage of operating capital in that country. Gaston's product speaks for itself. It has revolutionized the firearms industry and virtually everyone has copied it much to his dismay. The sincereist form of flattery. Current profit margins on firearms were unheard of before Glock's polymer's arrival. |
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i have the book,the author had an agenda....he's not a very good writer either This. It was an anti-gun hit piece that passed opinions off as facts and got some technical aspects flat out wrong. Glock does a lot for the shooting community, for example: GSSF, sponsoring various other types of matches, and contributing to gun-rights organizations. They seem to go above and beyond what they need to do to protect the business. I read the whole thing, it does really not come off that way. It really does give both sides of the issue to include explain why most stories of assault rifles is wrong. |
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I read the whole thing, it does really not come off that way. It really does give both sides of the issue to include explain why most stories of assault rifles is wrong. True, he does give both sides of the issue (in an attempt to sell more books, I'm sure). But, he was clear about which side he agreed with. If you really pay attention to the way he worded things you can see the bias. If you heard his interview on NPR you'd know exactly where he's coming from and it certainly isn't our side. When I was reading it, I thought about taking a highlighter and marking specific examples, I wish I had. That book was laced with veiled anti-gun drivel IMO. For example, he talked about the "perceived" need to be able to defend yourself and his reasoning for why the availability of "high-capacity clips" hadn't caused more deaths was that criminals hadn't "taken advantage of it yet." |
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True, he does give both sides of the issue (in an attempt to sell more books, I'm sure). But, he was clear about which side he agreed with. If you really pay attention to the way he worded things you can see the bias. If you heard his interview on NPR you'd know exactly where he's coming from and it certainly isn't our side. When I was reading it, I thought about taking a highlighter and marking specific examples, I wish I had. That book was laced with veiled anti-gun drivel IMO. For example, he talked about the "perceived" need to be able to defend yourself and his reasoning for why the availability of "high-capacity clips" hadn't caused more deaths was that criminals hadn't "taken advantage of it yet." I'm a fan of the book, even though the author is a lib. But I felt he did a fairly good job of treating the subject fairly, and he didn't write an overt anti-gun book at all. Is there some veiled language in there? Of course, because any author will introduce their own bias to some extent, but in this case I thought he did a good job of not making the book a deliberate anti-gun piece. That's just my opinion. Had he wanted it to be an overt anti-gun piece, he could have. Back to the issue at hand, Gaston Glock isn't an American, so I have no care whatsoever what his opinion of the 2nd Amendment is. If he supports it, it's because it is good for business. Period. And that's fine with me. If he thought curbing the 2nd Amendment through another AWB would double his sales, you can bet your ass he'd support it. As it is, the threat of AWBs drives up his sales, so he's probably thrilled with that situation and would like it to perpetuate. A tenuous 2nd Amendment landscape is the best thing for his sales. I'm sure beyond the business implications he doesn't give a rats ass about our 2nd Amendment. How much do you care about the laws of a foreign country? |
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The recent book about Glock did not seem to paint a picture of Gaston having a very high opinion of American gun owners. Hell, I understand! Look at all the shit "we" bitched about, "the mags stick, the slide "release" is too small, the mag catch is too short, it's too slippery, now it's too rough, the grips too fat, the angle is all wrong, I'm a fat ass and need different backstraps, make the mag catch ambi, no wait make it reversible, why is the guide rod plastic!?" and on and on and on...
Not to mention the aftermarket dumbassery. Actually, it's because the American gun owner's complaint is that it's not a 1911. Then I agree with Gaston Oh and thanks for GSSF. And thanks for not turning into what Sig Sauer has Just make good, boring glocks and I don't care what his personal beliefs are A big +1. As to what Glockreaper said, how could you not bring up slide peening? Never before has a purely cosmetic issue caused such a stink. |
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I think his products speak for themselves. It's our responsibility as American gun owners to protect our 2a rights, not a foreign gun maker. I totally agree. Glock, the company, has done great things. I am a member and shooter in GSSF. They put the NRA pamphlet in the box with a new gun. They offer great discounts to certain people. However, at the end of it all, it is stuff that helps Glock sell pistols. Are some at Glock hardcore 2A people? Yes, I am sure of it as I have met them at GSSF events and Armorer School. Americans know what it is to be American. I only trust Gaston himself to line his pockets, especially with recent developments in the company. |
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What was the issue with the Glock VP-of-something a while back whom got fired from Glock & then hired back as an "independent consultant"?
I don't recall the issue, but I believe it was around the time of the AW sunset & he seemed to support renewing it? I noticed no one mentioned this in other posts. As an aside, *I* do consider a gun makers stance on the 2nd when I'm spending MY $$$ to buy their product. It's for this reason that I will never do business with e-may, pay pal & other anti-gun companies. *I* draw the line when they begin supporting the anti's. YMMV. |