Posted: 5/23/2012 2:32:22 PM EDT
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Would you recommend a ported 19C?
Or should I find a standard 19 without the port holes. Any real benefits of having the ported barrel? |
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May I ask why you don't recommend one for carry? Though I won't be carrying it, I am curious. In self defense training there are various positions to enhance your chances for survival, one being a high retention hold. If said position is used in one of those situations with a comp'ed gun the ported, hot gases will be coming up into your face. At a minimum it could be an uncomfortable distraction. |
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1. Hot/flaming gas coming into your sight picture. Doesn't help in seeing the sights or target under low light conditions.
2. Crap coming out of comp will impact you if you are holding the gun in close for retention. Could be unfortunate if in line with your eyes. 3. Makes the gun a whole lot louder 4. Adds negligible benefit to recoil control in a 9mm. |
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1. Hot/flaming gas coming into your sight picture. Doesn't help in seeing the sights or target under low light conditions. 2. Crap coming out of comp will impact you if you are holding the gun in close for retention. Could be unfortunate if in line with your eyes. 3. Makes the gun a whole lot louder 4. Adds negligible benefit to recoil control in a 9mm. Non-ported it is. Thank you. |
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1. Hot/flaming gas coming into your sight picture. Doesn't help in seeing the sights or target under low light conditions. 2. Crap coming out of comp will impact you if you are holding the gun in close for retention. Could be unfortunate if in line with your eyes. 3. Makes the gun a whole lot louder 4. Adds negligible benefit to recoil control in a 9mm. Non-ported it is. Thank you. Dont shy away from......Don't be skeered they are extremely fun and smooth |
| All the above is very true, not recommended for carry or home defense but if your purpose is for range use or competition the comp (C) model are great shooters. Would not recommend if it's your only Glock, like mentioned before, get a standard model first then a C later for fun. |
| I don't think you will be getting blasted with hot gasses to the face.If it was true do you think Glock would offer it on just about every handgun they produce.I have a g22c waiting on me to pick it up. If they tell you it gives you a faster second shot dont you think fo sd it would be ideal.They say the blast will ruin your nite vision from the porting. I have noticed while shooting indoors sometimes I get a flash from ammo anyway. When I pickup my 22c I will post if I feel hot gasses to the face or not!I think alot you read on the internet about to port or not is second hand info. |
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I don't think you will be getting blasted with hot gasses to the face.If it was true do you think Glock would offer it on just about every handgun they produce.I have a g22c waiting on me to pick it up. If they tell you it gives you a faster second shot dont you think fo sd it would be ideal.They say the blast will ruin your nite vision from the porting. I have noticed while shooting indoors sometimes I get a flash from ammo anyway. When I pickup my 22c I will post if I feel hot gasses to the face or not!I think alot you read on the internet about to port or not is second hand info. When you do, hold the gun in a high retention position - tucked against the side of your chest - as you should do when deploying in close contact. Wear goggles not glasses. Not second hand. Yes, there is muzzle flash from many brands of ammunition independent of porting (particularly fmj target ammo). Most brands of defensive rounds use low flash compounds to some degree. Some are better than others. The difference is the direction in which the flash is coming. Bright flashes in your field of view will bleach the rhodopsin in your eye that facilitates your night vision causing you to lose visual capability. Go shoot under low light and report back. Again, not second hand. Simply put, Glock offers it because some want to buy it to "improve their speed shooting." Few shooters train to the level that this capability is actually able to be translated, but that is beside the point. In pure competition it may have some application. For defensive use, you can always buy a nonported factory barrel to drop in and eliminate the issue - or carry on with the one you have as you choose. 
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| If you want or down the road think you may want a C model, get it first and just buy an OEM non ported barrel for it. I personally have no use for one, and with the right powder/ammo there is little increase in flash but there is an increase in noise to the shooter in my experience. Everything is a trade off and for less muzzle flip and getting the sights back on target a little quicker thats the trade off. |
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I don't think you will be getting blasted with hot gasses to the face.If it was true do you think Glock would offer it on just about every handgun they produce.I have a g22c waiting on me to pick it up. If they tell you it gives you a faster second shot dont you think fo sd it would be ideal.They say the blast will ruin your nite vision from the porting. I have noticed while shooting indoors sometimes I get a flash from ammo anyway. When I pickup my 22c I will post if I feel hot gasses to the face or not!I think alot you read on the internet about to port or not is second hand info. And some folks don't seem to read what they see on the internet. Of course, you won't get gas in your face, unless you're using a close retention position for firing. 
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In the past I've owned two ported guns, both for carry, and didn't like them. Onw was a Springfield Armory V10 45 Compact and a S&W M66 F-Comp. The ports were too large and not placed correctly and would obscure the sight picture in low light and would blast your face when shooting from retention. I traded them both.
I was reluctant to try another ported gun, but I got good trade deals on a Glock 31C and 32C (.357 Sig full size and compact). I've done a lot of shooting on the range, including a lot of time on the indoor range with the lights off and shooting with only a handheld flashlight. I wanted to do a lot of testing on the range before making a decision to trust my life to it. After all my range time I have absolutely no reservations about carrying it. I did all of my range testing with a .30 ammo can full of Speer Gold Dot. Yes, when the lights were off there was some flash (about 4") coming out of the ports. The Glock ports are so well designed that the flash is off to the sides of the sight and it does not obscure the sight or ruin your night vision any more than your flashlight illuminator does. And it must be something about the smaller port size of the Glock ports, but shooting from retention, even with the hot loaded Speer Gold Dots, is not even distracting. Your face does not get blasted. And unlike other brands poorly designed ports, the Glock porting works very well. It really minimizes muzzle flip. My G17's have very little muzzle flip, but shooting them side by side, the compensated .357 Sigs have virtually no muzzle rise when shooting. Muzzle rise is noticably less than a G17. So, as I said, no reservations at all about carrying a compensated Glock. My G32C is on my hip in an Andrews Leather MacDaniel II IWB holster as I type this. |
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I actually own a 17C. I use it as my carry gun. I have never had any issues with it, ever. The front sight is white as the day I bought it. I shoot with ear plugs so I do not notice any difference when shooting my non-ported 17.
It is the most comfortable gun to shoot when I want to shoot for long periods of time, also. |
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I have a 19c that I carry often.
When on an indoor range, there is absolutely an 8-10' flash coming up out of the ports. I don't ever recall noticing it outside in daylight. If I think about it, I'll grab something else when going out at night, but it really doesn't worry me too much. |
| I carry a 19C often, and have shot it both indoors and outdoors both for recreation and training classes in daylight and low light. I have never had a problem with giant fireballs or shooting from close retention. I've never burned myself or ruined my clothes, never been blinded nor gone deaf. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. See if you can rent one and try it out yourself before you make up your mind. |
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The last shooting class I was in had a person with a C model. He was in some pain after a few of the shooting drills. Any skin over the comp doesn't work too well. I used to think that a C model Glock could be decent to own. I think otherwise now with the style of shooting I do.
I'm not saying a C model is bad, I just don't recommend it for someone that does a lot of defensive shooting drills. |
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I can't specifically address Silvertips but I did have a problem with Winchester USA 147gr JHP's a few years back. I was having Ignition failures during a class in my G17. I swapped out to another G17 and had the same issues. During the class, the ammo was tried in another G17 and a P226. After the class, the same ammo lot was tried in an HK USP and a S&W 5943. Ignition failures were experienced with all of them, 1-2 failures out of 5 shots.
I sent the remaining ammo back to Winchester. They claimed the ammo was "within spec" and all of the handguns the ammo was fired in needed to be brought to a gunsmith for repair. I explained all had been 100% reliable after swapping to a different lot number of ammo, but they still stood by their claim that every handgun used must have had something wrong with it and whatever "problem" there was with all the handguns mysteriously corrected itself when a new case of ammo was opened. Personally, I feel Winchester got in over their heads with military contracts and their commercial ammo quality sufferred for a while there. I haven't heard this type of complaint in a while though. |