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12/6/2004 6:46:25 AM EDT
I was at the range yesterday to practice with my glock 20. I put a mag in the gun, racked the slide, aimed, pulled the trigger and nothing happened. I heard the stricker hit the primer and that was it, I waited about 30 seconds and ejected the round. There was a light indent on the primer, it was not a solid hit like normal, I reloaded the round into the mag and the second time it fired, it worked perfectly after that. My 20 has about 600 rounds through it and the ammo is Winchester 175gr SilverTip Hollow Points, I've used about a 100 rounds of this Winchester with no problems until this one round. This glock has never had even the smallest problem, just this one time. What do you think? Should I be concerned? Thanks.
12/6/2004 6:52:35 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm far from an expert but I say I wouldn't sweat it.  I have had that happen before in a few guns of mine.  I just figured it was a bad primer and tossed it.  Don't forget immediate action, get that bad round outa there
12/6/2004 9:10:19 AM EDT
[#2]
What I'd do:

1. Make sure firing pin channel is clean and dry.
2. Make sure firing pin channel liner is in good condition w/o burs.
3. Make sure the firing pin is in good condtion and shows no signs of peening/warping/burs/etc.
4. Make sure the firing pin moves freely & smoothly (when plunger is pressed/removed) and protrudes an appropriate distance from the firing pin hole in the slide.

-Replace firing pin or firing pin channel liner only if neccesary.
-Replace firing pin spring if all of the above checks out and I've had quite a few rounds through the pistol (firing pin spring worn out).

Lastly, it could've been a not-so-good primer, not the gun.  Some foreign ammunition has hard primers which require an extra-power firing pin spring to function reliably which is available for Glocks.  You could install one of these if it makes you feel more comfortable but it's not necessary and it will increase your trigger pull weight slightly.
12/6/2004 10:35:55 AM EDT
[#3]
Thank you for the replies, I will check these things out.
12/6/2004 5:14:41 PM EDT
[#4]
It's the ammo...G20 is my duty weapon and we've had the same incident happy on numerous occasions during range qualifications with the same ammo.  Initial thoughts were that alot of the shooters were "limp wristing" but after it happened so many times to both good and average shooters, it's got to be an ammo issue.  
12/7/2004 11:01:15 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I'm far from an expert but I say I wouldn't sweat it.  I have had that happen before in a few guns of mine.  I just figured it was a bad primer and tossed it.  Don't forget immediate action, get that bad round outa therehr


Wow do you know what a hang fire is?
You should wait 30 seconds or so...15 at the least.
Getting it out of there immediately for self defense purposes and competition is comprabable...but at the range you need to avoid hangfires and the such.  My grandparents house burned down because of a hangfire, killed my cousin too.  You can never be too careful.
12/7/2004 11:39:11 AM EDT
[#6]
Is it when the firing pin strikes the primer and there is a delay in ignition. Correct?  I always use"tap rack bang" method, in pistols anyway.  Maybe I shouldn't.  Good point.
12/7/2004 1:43:00 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
It's the ammo...G20 is my duty weapon and we've had the same incident happy on numerous occasions during range qualifications with the same ammo.  Initial thoughts were that alot of the shooters were "limp wristing" but after it happened so many times to both good and average shooters, it's got to be an ammo issue.  




Rampart
I did not know any LEOs in NJ use 10mm for duty. Is this your choice or standard issue?
Outstanding choice if you’re PD can qualify with it.

Edgraham
I have at least 2000 rounds thru my G20 without a hiccup, all handloads. I would check out your gun as mentioned above and if you don't find something wrong chalk it up to ammo.

Rich V (in NJ)
12/7/2004 1:50:06 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
What I'd do:

1. Make sure firing pin channel is clean and dry.
2. Make sure firing pin channel liner is in good condition w/o burs.
3. Make sure the firing pin is in good condtion and shows no signs of peening/warping/burs/etc.
4. Make sure the firing pin moves freely & smoothly (when plunger is pressed/removed) and protrudes an appropriate distance from the firing pin hole in the slide.

-Replace firing pin or firing pin channel liner only if neccesary.
-Replace firing pin spring if all of the above checks out and I've had quite a few rounds through the pistol (firing pin spring worn out).

Lastly, it could've been a not-so-good primer, not the gun.  Some foreign ammunition has hard primers which require an extra-power firing pin spring to function reliably which is available for Glocks.  You could install one of these if it makes you feel more comfortable but it's not necessary and it will increase your trigger pull weight slightly.



+1 very good reply.
12/7/2004 6:57:44 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What I'd do:

1. Make sure firing pin channel is clean and dry.
2. Make sure firing pin channel liner is in good condition w/o burs.
3. Make sure the firing pin is in good condtion and shows no signs of peening/warping/burs/etc.
4. Make sure the firing pin moves freely & smoothly (when plunger is pressed/removed) and protrudes an appropriate distance from the firing pin hole in the slide.

-Replace firing pin or firing pin channel liner only if neccesary.
-Replace firing pin spring if all of the above checks out and I've had quite a few rounds through the pistol (firing pin spring worn out).

Lastly, it could've been a not-so-good primer, not the gun.  Some foreign ammunition has hard primers which require an extra-power firing pin spring to function reliably which is available for Glocks.  You could install one of these if it makes you feel more comfortable but it's not necessary and it will increase your trigger pull weight slightly.



+1 very good reply.



Definitely.  When in doubt, go see your armorer (so long as he doesn't have his head up his ass).
12/7/2004 7:10:46 PM EDT
[#10]
Tap Rack Bang is fine in competitions and self defense situations,
and a modified TRB would be acceptable he
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
12/8/2004 3:46:54 AM EDT
[#11]
I went over the gun throughly and found nothing. I believe that it must have been a hard primer, it never happened before and it hasn't happened since. Thanks for all of the replies.
12/8/2004 12:12:24 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What I'd do:

1. Make sure firing pin channel is clean and dry.
2. Make sure firing pin channel liner is in good condition w/o burs.
3. Make sure the firing pin is in good condtion and shows no signs of peening/warping/burs/etc.
4. Make sure the firing pin moves freely & smoothly (when plunger is pressed/removed) and protrudes an appropriate distance from the firing pin hole in the slide.

-Replace firing pin or firing pin channel liner only if neccesary.
-Replace firing pin spring if all of the above checks out and I've had quite a few rounds through the pistol (firing pin spring worn out).

Lastly, it could've been a not-so-good primer, not the gun.  Some foreign ammunition has hard primers which require an extra-power firing pin spring to function reliably which is available for Glocks.  You could install one of these if it makes you feel more comfortable but it's not necessary and it will increase your trigger pull weight slightly.



+1 very good reply.



+2 for that. I would like to add when you clean your glock, try to prevent solvent getting into firing pin channel, or oil or any type of liquid. There is a good tendency those stuff will attract dirts and foul up the firing pin channel and cause light strike. When I used to own my G34 and G19, I take the firing pin out and clean the firing pin channel every 500rds. Solvent, Q-tip and Gun Scrubber to flush out anything that stay in firing pin channel, works like a charm.
12/8/2004 12:33:34 PM EDT
[#13]
I had this happen a couple of times with my Glock 29, mostly with handloads, but a few times with some factory Remington truncated cone FMJ stuff.  My impression was that I was seating the primers with too much force the they were setback into the pocket too much, sort concave.  I later replaced the firing pin spring with a Wolff extra power unit.  Had no troubles so far.

I never had any trouble out of my first Glock 20, then it started having failure to feed problems.  I did some checks and it turns out the slide spring had weakened, so I bought a new and it went back to it's old flawless self.  I traded the 2nd generation in last year for one with light rail, only a coulpe of hundred rounds through it so far.

12/9/2004 3:34:11 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I had this happen a couple of times with my Glock 29, mostly with handloads, but a few times with some factory Remington truncated cone FMJ stuff.  My impression was that I was seating the primers with too much force the they were setback into the pocket too much, sort concave.  I later replaced the firing pin spring with a Wolff extra power unit.  Had no troubles so far.

I never had any trouble out of my first Glock 20, then it started having failure to feed problems.  I did some checks and it turns out the slide spring had weakened, so I bought a new and it went back to it's old flawless self.  I traded the 2nd generation in last year for one with light rail, only a coulpe of hundred rounds through it so far.

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How many rounds did get thru it before you had to change the recoil spring?
12/9/2004 6:32:07 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
How many rounds did get thru it before you had to change the recoil spring?



You know I don't have a clue.
The pistol was stolen sometime in 1996, someone broke into the car in the front yard.  It was recovered in a drug bust, and returned to me sometime in 2001 or 2002.  I might have put 2,000 rounds through it, but who knows how many that stupid gang-bangin' pot-smokin' loud-music-listenin' no grammar-tawkin' ain't-got-no-job lowlife put through it while it wasn't in my hands.

God I hate thieves.  Wish I could catch that moron and cut his thumbs off.  I buy him a "FOTY" on the first of every month till the day I die to watch him drink it two handed.