[ARCHIVED THREAD] - One in the pipe? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/24/2012 6:30:29 PM EDT
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What say you? IWB holster, do you carry it hot?
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Carry every gun with one in the chamber. I understand being nervous at first but seriously carrying unchambered is just pointless.
If you think you will actually have time to draw, rack a round and hit your target under stress...go ahead. My carry guns are a 1911 and Glock and both are always chambered. |
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My primary CCW is Para P14, I have one in the chamber and 14 in the mag, hammer in half cock, safety on. I am of the opinion that IF I have to fire my Para, all I have to do is pull the hammer back, flick the ambi safety off, and it's rock and roll time. I may carry and extra mag or two which is optional depending on where I plan on going.
Secondary is a Colt Detective Special with six .38 Special P+ hollow point round fully loaded. I may carry two loaded HKS speed loadsers Third and last resort is my Cobra derringer with two CCI jacketd hollow point Winchester WRF rounds. It has a hammer safety that allows the hammer to be at half cock. I've practiced with it and I can hit a paper plate at ten yards with it in under five seconds. It is (obviously) the last resort when I've run out of ammo with the other two firearms. I usually don't carry extra rounds for it but am looking into a pouch with a couple of extra rounds in it. |
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What say you? IWB holster, do you carry it hot? Duty gun is a Sig 229 .40 cal with one in the chamber and 12 more in the mag. Back gun is a G23 with one in the chamber, and 13 more in the mag. Its carried under my vest under my right arm in a holster shirt by UC Comfort... If it aint loaded, its not really a gun...it can be a hammer, a paperweight or a boat anchor if its an older Ruger... |
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2 people admit to having to carefully lower the hammer on a live round. WTF? one not in the pipe make way more sense than thinking you are going to cock the hammer under stress. that is a fine motor skill that will require you breaking your grip or using your off hand. just rack the slide if you can't carry +1. i always carry +1
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Quoted: I'll buck the trend and say NO . The bad guy won't know and its only another half second to rack the slide . I'm comfortable with it . so you're banking that pulling out the gun will slow them down - then you'll remember/be able to rack the slide to chamber a round  |
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I'll buck the trend and say NO . The bad guy won't know and its only another half second to rack the slide . I'm comfortable with it . I used to think that way too. But I have read many a story, including an ARFCOMers actual experience, where if they would not have one in the pipe, they would have been killed. |
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I used to be an "Israeli Carry" proponent.
Then I saw way too many videos in which the CCW holder either could only use one hand or was in a situation in which taking that extra second might have cost him his or innocents' lives (cases in which perp's gun was out, perp is momentarily distracted, good guy draws and shoots just in time). |
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I carry my G19, chambered and ready to go. Any other way doesn't make sense to me, personally.
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I'll buck the trend and say NO . The bad guy won't know and its only another half second to rack the slide . I'm comfortable with it . Do you realize how quickly someone can be on top of you, if they want to? What if you you can't use your support hand to rack the slide? For you, what are the downsides to carrying a Glock with 1 in the chamber? A half second might not seem like a lot, but in a life/death situation, it can be huge. Every situation will be different, but the video I'll post below is at least food for thought. If you're comfortable with it, then so be it. I just can't personally wrap my head around the idea of carrying without a round in the chamber. Just my opinion. 
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| One in the pipe on glock 19,17, stupid not to. One in the chamber, cocked and locked with Colt Officers ACP. There's just no way to always make sure you're going to have time to rack the slide. Save the slide rack sound for the damn movies, save a life, carry ready. |
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I'll buck the trend and say NO . The bad guy won't know and its only another half second to rack the slide . I'm comfortable with it . so you're banking that pulling out the gun will slow them down - then you'll remember/be able to rack the slide to chamber a round
Agreed. I have no idea why people think that they are Bruce Lee quick. I'm a competitive shooter and have hundreds of hours of firearm training; I recently did a test with some friends where two people face opposite directions, one is the runner and the other is the shooter. I was the shooter and my friend the runner, he put one hand on my shoulder and as soon as his hand left my shoulder, he sprinted as fast as he could in the opposite direction to see how far that he could make it before I got two accurate shots on target. I made two shots in 19 feet, both center mass from holster draw. Now, keep in mind that I was ready to face the threat, I'm a pretty good shooter with defensive firearms training and competition experience. Factor in the additional adrenaline in a real scenario, not knowing the clear direction of the threat and any obstacles in the way and I would have been LUCKY to get one solid shot on taget. Imagine if I had to fool around with racking a slide... |
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There are videos out there where trained officers havn't even been able to get a shot off before being killed, as well as people who have been attacked and were carrying didn't have one in the chamber or did but had the safety on and weren't able to do anything but get shot.
I'm not saying I will be able to get a shot off but I want every advantage I can get because if you have a knife or a gun pointed at you, you are already way behind... |
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Carry my 1911 with one in the chamber, not cocked, safety on... What kind of 1911 do you have? I've never seen a 1911 where the thumb safety will engage if the hammer isn't cocked. Of course I haven't seen everything... I'm wondering this as well. To carry not cocked I think is even a higher level of stupidity than without one in the chamber. |
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One item to add to the retarded idea of "Israeli carry" is that in a high stress situation, you have a better than 50% chance of fucking up when chamebering the round. Your hand will slip off the slide, will miss the slide alltogether, etc etc.
Once adrenaline starts flowing, your hands turn very sweaty instantly. So even if you do get a hold on the slide, there is a good chance of slipping right off it. |
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Not only for carry, but wherever it happens to stay at home. All my pistols are always fully loaded. This ^^^ The gun will not fire itself, it will require the trigger being pulled. If you have a good holster, basic fundamentals on trigger finger placement, and have practiced drawing and holstering the weapon you will be good to go. |
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Not only for carry, but wherever it happens to stay at home. All my pistols are always fully loaded. This ^^^ The gun will not fire itself, it will require the trigger being pulled. If you have a good holster, basic fundamentals on trigger finger placement, and have practiced drawing and holstering the weapon you will be good to go. I'm a lot more comfortable carrying with a loaded chamber (and a holster that covers the trigger) than leaving a handgun with a round chambered around the house. My children (3 and 6) are strong enough to pull a trigger, but not strong enough to rack the slide and chamber a round. The only loaded handgun in my home (aside from the one on my person) is locked in one of those digital combination safes for "nightstand" duty. Different people's situations are different. When my kids were young enough that they would try to dig through my pockets, I carried with an empty chamber. Now they are older and my strategy has changed, and I'm sure it will continue to change. |
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I'll buck the trend and say NO . The bad guy won't know and its only another half second to rack the slide . I'm comfortable with it . What if the bad guy doesn't give you the opportunity to rack the slide? Exactly. The bad guy won't know? OK you are probably right - assuming the bad guy won't know wouldn't his most likely course of action be to assume that you DO have a round in the chamber and respond with more violence and speed of action? The logic here fails, unless you are just assuming that the mere presence or sight of a gun is just going to scare off the bad guy, which is dangerous thinking. |
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Carry every gun with one in the chamber. I understand being nervous at first but seriously carrying unchambered is just pointless. If you think you will actually have time to draw, rack a round and hit your target under stress...go ahead. My carry guns are a 1911 and Glock and both are always chambered. This. IWB or OWB it dosent matter I always have one in the chamber |