[ARCHIVED THREAD] - G19 Erratic Ejection Thread (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 11/28/2011 1:47:24 PM EDT
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| How often/frequently was it cleaned? One thought would be gunk slowing the barrel speed down causing it to eject at the improper angle. Read in other posts about a break in period, and ammo selection...which is fubar IMO, Glocks aren't supposed to be picky with ammo, my 19 cycles clean expensive rounds and cheap blazer rounds just as good, yours should too. I never noticed a "break in" period with mine either, NIB, straight to range, good to go. Also read it could be a grip issue, slack/weakness in the wrist and forearms. Have you tried letting someone else shoot the firearm and see if they have any of the same problems? |
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Have you tried different ammo? Not yet. What do you think is happening? Erratic ejection syndrome.....same problem that some of the gen 4s have, probably the MIM extractor. My vote goes for this. My Gen 4 19 started doing that; then I emailed Glock about the 0-4-3 RSA, and that solved all my problems with it. Hasn't spit one back at me in the 1k rounds I shot since then. Mixed ammo too, 115 fmj's and some old 147's and even a couple boxes of my Ranger T 147's. |
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Quoted: How often/frequently was it cleaned? One thought would be gunk slowing the barrel speed down causing it to eject at the improper angle. Read in other posts about a break in period, and ammo selection...which is fubar IMO, Glocks aren't supposed to be picky with ammo, my 19 cycles clean expensive rounds and cheap blazer rounds just as good, yours should too. I never noticed a "break in" period with mine either, NIB, straight to range, good to go. Also read it could be a grip issue, slack/weakness in the wrist and forearms. Have you tried letting someone else shoot the firearm and see if they have any of the same problems? I clean everything I own every time I fire it, even if it's only a few rounds. I'm not sure about possible grip issues, but it's not a problem I've had before.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you tried different ammo? Not yet. What do you think is happening? Erratic ejection syndrome.....same problem that some of the gen 4s have, probably the MIM extractor. My vote goes for this. My Gen 4 19 started doing that; then I emailed Glock about the 0-4-3 RSA, and that solved all my problems with it. Hasn't spit one back at me in the 1k rounds I shot since then. Mixed ammo too, 115 fmj's and some old 147's and even a couple boxes of my Ranger T 147's. I have no idea what you're talking about. Educate me? |
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Have you tried different ammo? Not yet. What do you think is happening? Erratic ejection syndrome.....same problem that some of the gen 4s have, probably the MIM extractor. My vote goes for this. My Gen 4 19 started doing that; then I emailed Glock about the 0-4-3 RSA, and that solved all my problems with it. Hasn't spit one back at me in the 1k rounds I shot since then. Mixed ammo too, 115 fmj's and some old 147's and even a couple boxes of my Ranger T 147's. I have no idea what you're talking about. Educate me? Glock problem thread |
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Have you tried different ammo? Not yet. What do you think is happening? Erratic ejection syndrome.....same problem that some of the gen 4s have, probably the MIM extractor. My vote goes for this. My Gen 4 19 started doing that; then I emailed Glock about the 0-4-3 RSA, and that solved all my problems with it. Hasn't spit one back at me in the 1k rounds I shot since then. Mixed ammo too, 115 fmj's and some old 147's and even a couple boxes of my Ranger T 147's. I have no idea what you're talking about. Educate me? Gen 4 19s have the 0-3 RSA which is too stiff they replaced it with the 0-4-3 spring The Gen 3 19s did not really have this problem, I have owned 3 19s (Gen 3) and never had brass it my face. |
| My gen3 17 was doing the same thing awhile back and after trying several different brands of ammo and cleaning it real well I modded the ejector that was mentioned in a thread someone linked. Basically involved slightly bending or shaving it down to change the timing. Worked like a charm last range trip. Havent really done any long term testing but before it was 3-4 times per mag and after I had zero in prob 200 rounds |
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Is it coming back dead center of your forehead or off to one side of the other?
I have a gen 3 and have never had this problem. I shoot all kinds of factory ammo and I abuse the gun. It gets a little lube before each range trip and cleaned every 6 or so trips to the range. Try calling Glock or sending them an email with the serial number. |
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Quoted: Quoted: First thing I'd try is some different ammo. Your extractor looks fine enough. While it doesn't appear to be broken, it does look like I have the MIM extractor discussed in the Glock Talk thread ElrodCod posted. They are all MIM, and always have been. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: First thing I'd try is some different ammo. Your extractor looks fine enough. While it doesn't appear to be broken, it does look like I have the MIM extractor discussed in the Glock Talk thread ElrodCod posted. They are all MIM, and always have been. I found another Glock Talk thread about it, and it looks like getting this Glock to run reliably may be a challenge.
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Quoted: Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. I've been running the same ammo in my CZ85B, and that thing's never had a hiccup. I think I can say with a reasonable bit of confidence that I'm not limpwristing, either. |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. I guess I missed your Glock inventory in your previous posts. Yep. probably something else. |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." IF anything's wrong mechanically, Glock will fix it free, forever. |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." Judging by the crease in the brass near the case mouth I'd say it's hitting the lower rim of the ejection port & bouncing off it. |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." IF anything's wrong mechanically, Glock will fix it free, forever. They have been unable to fix gen 3s doing this (so far) and are offering to replace the guns with gen 4s. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." IF anything's wrong mechanically, Glock will fix it free, forever. They have been unable to fix gen 3s doing this (so far) and are offering to replace the guns with gen 4s. I read the one example in the GT thread, but have they really been doing this on a larger scale? |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." IF anything's wrong mechanically, Glock will fix it free, forever. They have been unable to fix gen 3s doing this (so far) and are offering to replace the guns with gen 4s. That's pretty magnanimous of them!!! |
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Could be weak ammo/strong recoil spring/limpwristing, or any combination of the three. AFTER you eliminate all three, then start looking at the extractor. It's probably not the extractor. This always get brought up but ammo, spring,limpwristing isn't the problem. I've got six gen 3 nine mm Glocks, a 17, 17L, two 19sand two 26s. All but the most recent G19 run fine with any ammo (including WallyWorld Fed Champion and WWWB). The afficted G19 puts the brass right between my eyes most of the time. When it doesn't throw them at my head they'll go to the left rear. There's some kind of tolerance stacking issue going on that's hard to figure out. Glock has been replacing these gun at the owner's request with the upgraded Gen 4s. I don't think they'd be doing if there wasn't a real problem. I'm waiting on the sidelines for them come up with a fix. I don't want a gen 4, if I did I'd already have one. Left Rear? That's wild, mine ejects consistently to the right. Is it possible the brass is "catching" on something or the chamber is slightly out of tolerance? I know what you mean by tolerance stacking but I'm real curious as to which combination of tolerances would cause this. I seriously doubt Glock would come out and say, "this is the problem." IF anything's wrong mechanically, Glock will fix it free, forever. I have no doubt they'll make it right. All I'm saying is I doubt they'll tell you exactly what is wrong. It sounds like their solution is to just replace them with gen 4's. I don't know enough about the gen 4's to say if this is a good or bad solution. I haven't even seen or held one. Elrod, Are they replacing the whole gun or just the slide? Out of curiosity what happens if you cycle a round through it without firing? |
I bought a Gen 3 19 last week and took it to the range for the first time today. Shot various ammo through it, Started out with Speer Lawman 124 gr TMJ. This was pretty hot ammo. I shot 50 rounds with no FTF or FTE's. Most of the rounds went to the right rear, although a handful hit me right between the eyes and one landed on my head, resting perfectly
Next, I tried some old Ultramax I15 gr. FMJ I bought a long time ago. Judging by the report of the gun, this was really weak ammo. The gun would not extract the case. It kept getting hung up in the ejection port. My first thoughts were the recoil spring was too stiff. I moved on to Winchester Ranger T's 124 gr +P. No FTF or FTE's, but again, a few cases hit my forehead every mag. I also shot some Winchester Ranger T's 127 gr +P+ with no faiures, but same thing. Kept getting some brass in my face. Hopefully I can get this issue worked out. The gun is amazingly accurate, especially with the Ranger T 127+P+ ETA:Just field stripped my gun to clean it. The recoil spring assembly is so stiff I had to use a flat head scewdriver to pry it out. I am pretty sure this is part of the problem. How can I find out what RSA my gun has? First 3 of the SN are SAK |
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Quoted: I bought a Gen 3 19 last week and took it to the range for the first time today. Shot various ammo through it, Started out with Speer Lawman 124 gr TMJ. This was pretty hot ammo. I shot 50 rounds with no FTF or FTE's. Most of the rounds went to the right rear, although a handful hit me right between the eyes and one landed on my head, resting perfectly Next, I tried some old Ultramax I15 gr. FMJ I bought a long time ago. Judging by the report of the gun, this was really weak ammo. The gun would not extract the case. It kept getting hung up in the ejection port. My first thoughts were the recoil spring was too stiff. I moved on to Winchester Ranger T's 124 gr +P. No FTF or FTE's, but again, a few cases hit my forehead every mag. I also shot some Winchester Ranger T's 127 gr +P+ with no faiures, but same thing. Kept getting some brass in my face. Hopefully I can get this issue worked out. The gun is amazingly accurate, especially with the Ranger T 127+P+ ETA:Just field stripped my gun to clean it. The recoil spring assembly is so stiff I had to use a flat head scewdriver to pry it out. I am pretty sure this is part of the problem. How can I find out what RSA my gun has? First 3 of the SN are SAK New or used? What's the date on the test casing? |
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I bought a Gen 3 19 last week and took it to the range for the first time today. Shot various ammo through it, Started out with Speer Lawman 124 gr TMJ. This was pretty hot ammo. I shot 50 rounds with no FTF or FTE's. Most of the rounds went to the right rear, although a handful hit me right between the eyes and one landed on my head, resting perfectly
Next, I tried some old Ultramax I15 gr. FMJ I bought a long time ago. Judging by the report of the gun, this was really weak ammo. The gun would not extract the case. It kept getting hung up in the ejection port. My first thoughts were the recoil spring was too stiff. I moved on to Winchester Ranger T's 124 gr +P. No FTF or FTE's, but again, a few cases hit my forehead every mag. I also shot some Winchester Ranger T's 127 gr +P+ with no faiures, but same thing. Kept getting some brass in my face. Hopefully I can get this issue worked out. The gun is amazingly accurate, especially with the Ranger T 127+P+ ETA:Just field stripped my gun to clean it. The recoil spring assembly is so stiff I had to use a flat head scewdriver to pry it out. I am pretty sure this is part of the problem. How can I find out what RSA my gun has? First 3 of the SN are SAK New or used? What's the date on the test casing? New. Test date 8/11/11 |
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After doing some research, it appears the problem is the ejector. My gun has the problem ejector 336. The fix for the generation 4 guns is a new ejector #30274. From what everyone says, Glock will put the new ejector in the Gen 4's, but not the Gen 3's
I know the trigger housing from the Gen 4 has been redesigned and will not fit the Gen 3's, but does anyone know if the new Gen 4 ejector can be taken out of the assembly and put in the Gen 3? Also, has anyone replaced the 336 ejector with a LWD ejector to see if it fixes this problem? |
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Quoted: After doing some research, it appears the problem is the ejector. My gun has the problem ejector 336. The fix for the generation 4 guns is a new ejector #30274. From what everyone says, Glock will put the new ejector in the Gen 4's, but not the Gen 3's I know the trigger housing from the Gen 4 has been redesigned and will not fit the Gen 3's, but does anyone know if the new Gen 4 ejector can be taken out of the assembly and put in the Gen 3? Also, has anyone replaced the 336 ejector with a LWD ejector to see if it fixes this problem? I've been doing some digging around on GT. From what I understand, they may try to replace the extractor, but if that doesn't work, they replace the entire gun. I think I'm going to make one more range trip to make a few observations, but then I think I will be calling Smyrna, GA. I don't know how I feel about being a Gen4 owner, but I don't think it could be much worse than owning a defective Gen3.
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After doing some research, it appears the problem is the ejector. My gun has the problem ejector 336. The fix for the generation 4 guns is a new ejector #30274. From what everyone says, Glock will put the new ejector in the Gen 4's, but not the Gen 3's
I know the trigger housing from the Gen 4 has been redesigned and will not fit the Gen 3's, but does anyone know if the new Gen 4 ejector can be taken out of the assembly and put in the Gen 3? Also, has anyone replaced the 336 ejector with a LWD ejector to see if it fixes this problem? I've been doing some digging around on GT. From what I understand, they may try to replace the extractor, but if that doesn't work, they replace the entire gun. I think I'm going to make one more range trip to make a few observations, but then I think I will be calling Smyrna, GA. I don't know how I feel about being a Gen4 owner, but I don't think it could be much worse than owning a defective Gen3. How hard is it to replace an ejector? Maybe you could try an LCI extractor? LCI Extractor |
Just throwing this out there as it's something that's confused me for a while. I've got a G19 (GUBXXX) and a G17 (GBYXXX), making them both Gen3s from 2004ish. Both of them have been completely reliable, but I always get brass to the face with them. Maybe 3 or 4 to the face in a 100 round range session. At the end of shooting I would always have little black circles and/or burns somewhere on my face.  But no malfunctions. No parts like an extractor or ejector have been replaced or changed on them.
I always just dealt with this as a Glock thing and moved on. In the past couple years, I've transitioned over to .40S&W. I've never once been hit in the face with brass with a 22, 23, or 27. Never. Now, when I go back and shoot my 17 or 19 and get hit in the face with brass, it pisses me off more than it used to because I really think it should not be happening. Was this common even back in the mid-2000s before this Gen4 madness started up? |
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Does anyone know if the old style non-LCI 9mm extractor (90-0 degrees) will work with the current Gen 3 19's? Is there a specific extractor plunger and spring for the non-LCI extractor or are they all compatible? Pretty sure that the OP's G19 has an LCI extractor. Many old style extractors are not 90* extractors. Glock stopped producing 90* extractors/breech cuts a loooong time before the went to LCI extractors. I'd wager that a lighter recoil spring would fix the brass-to-the-face problem. If it were my G19, that's what I'd try.; |
