Posted: 3/6/2011 7:13:10 PM EDT
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A friend of mine bought one of the police trade in G19s that Scottsdale Gun Club had for sale a while ago. We took it to the range today, but beforehand I showed him how to take it down, and noticed something weird.
In the pic below, his gun is the top and mine is on the bottom - I'm trying to figure out what the orange thing towards the rear of the frame is. 
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NY2 Trigger; 11lbs. or heavier/safer trigger pull; replace it with NY1 if its too heavy for your tastes.. Fixed it for ya! why is heavier automatically safer? I have a 3.5lb trigger in my glock and 1911 and i have never shot anybody with it... Did you seriously just ask that, and reference a 1911 that has 2 manual safeties? A Glocks safety is its trigger, making the trigger heavier, makes it mechanically safer. |
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NY2 Trigger; 11lbs. or heavier/safer trigger pull; replace it with NY1 if its too heavy for your tastes.. Fixed it for ya! why is heavier automatically safer? I have a 3.5lb trigger in my glock and 1911 and i have never shot anybody with it... Did you seriously just ask that, and reference a 1911 that has 2 manual safeties? A Glocks safety is its trigger, making the trigger heavier, makes it mechanically safer. Saying heavier is safer is a real failure in logic. Safer would be having a gun that does not have a trigger so heavy as to negitivly affect your accuaracy (you don't want to miss and hit something/someone else) but no so light to go off inadvertantly. Glocks are carried condition 0, their only real safety is their manual of arms. KEEP YOU DAMN BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH, until you are ready to shoot. |
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NY2 Trigger; 11lbs. or heavier/safer trigger pull; replace it with NY1 if its too heavy for your tastes.. Fixed it for ya! why is heavier automatically safer? I have a 3.5lb trigger in my glock and 1911 and i have never shot anybody with it... Did you seriously just ask that, and reference a 1911 that has 2 manual safeties? A Glocks safety is its trigger, making the trigger heavier, makes it mechanically safer. Saying heavier is safer is a real failure in logic. Safer would be having a gun that does not have a trigger so heavy as to negitivly affect your accuaracy (you don't want to miss and hit something/someone else) but no so light to go off inadvertantly. Glocks are carried condition 0, their only real safety is their manual of arms. KEEP YOU DAMN BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH, until you are ready to shoot. So lets say you are holstering you Glock in condition zero, something goes threw the trigger guard and presses against the trigger, do you think you will notice it with a 3.5lb trigger or a 11lb trigger?People who holster un-holster firearms everyday have a increased chance of accidental discharge. Heavy triggers are not safe because of accuracy, "police do have to qualify with whatever they carry" so why would they be concerned about that. They are safer because it gives them a little more time to catch a accidental discharge before it happens including pointing the gun at someone and accidentally firing. You do realize a number of police are not gun people? Its just a tool they use when they are at work and if it can be made safer for them to use it so be it. This is the logic behind the 11lb trigger. If the other case was being argued every cop would have a 6oz trigger, in this you have to agree a light trigger does increase the chance of accidental discharge. I prefer the 3.5lb trigger though. 
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All glocks for defensive and LE purposes are carried condition zero. And IMHO in a stressfull situation when a LEO is trying to reholster and deal with a suspect they will most likely not realize the added tension or simply mistake it for the retension of the holster if something were to get into the trigger guard. As for "police do have to qualify with what they carry", they sure do. But most likely on a static range withe a silloutte style target. Things change when you need to be the first to get a shot off. And a light trigger isn't any safer to the officer then but to those around him. Cops don't have to be gun people but they should be Intimately familiar with the tools of their trade. When they DO have to point a gun at someone they should have enough training to control themselves and not be putting pressure to the trigger unless they mean to fire. A 6oz. trigger is way to light for carry, I know that, you know that and I said before "but not so light to go off inadvertantly."
I guess I just never came around to the whole the trigger is the safety. But I do like my G35 for uspsa competition. |
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If you don't touch the trigger until you are ready to fire, then you will be safe with any trigger in the Glock. The 11 pound triggers were designed for the cops that used to have the old service revolvers and had poor gun handling skills. They were taught to get on the trigger while drawing since the trigger was very heavy.
99% of the people that have an ND and shoot themselves while drawing/reholstering are NOT properly trained or have inferior holsters.. If you are worried about some object flying into your pistol's trigger guard just as you are reholstering and causing you to pull the trigger, then you shouldn't be carrying a gun. An 11 pound trigger wouldn't give you any additional safefy if the trigger was pulled by something in the trigger guard upon reholstering. 11 pounds isn't that much when you are pushing down on your gun to reholster. Don't run a SERPA (trigger finger inline with trigger when releasing), don't touch the trigger until ready to fire, and practice a lot. Most police officers have very LITTLE trigger time. Most standard(Non-SWAT) policeman I know is lucky to go shooting 5-10 times a year, and that is a lot for most. Most civilians, including myself, put in more trigger time than most police do. That is a fact. So it doesn't surprise me to see NY triggers in guns because the agency issuing them needs to cover their bases. However, I would like to see any officer with an 11 pound trigger in his Glock shoot near as well at 25 yards, as compared to the standard 5 pound trigger. Much harder to do. |
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Saying heavier is safer is a real failure in logic. Safer would be having a gun that does not have a trigger so heavy as to negitivly affect your accuaracy (you don't want to miss and hit something/someone else) but no so light to go off inadvertantly. Glocks are carried condition 0, their only real safety is their manual of arms. KEEP YOU DAMN BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH, until you are ready to shoot. This. Quoted:
If you don't touch the trigger until you are ready to fire, then you will be safe with any trigger in the Glock. The 11 pound triggers were designed for the cops that used to have the old service revolvers and had poor gun handling skills. They were taught to get on the trigger while drawing since the trigger was very heavy. 99% of the people that have an ND and shoot themselves while drawing/reholstering are NOT properly trained or have inferior holsters.. If you are worried about some object flying into your pistol's trigger guard just as you are reholstering and causing you to pull the trigger, then you shouldn't be carrying a gun. An 11 pound trigger wouldn't give you any additional safefy if the trigger was pulled by something in the trigger guard upon reholstering. 11 pounds isn't that much when you are pushing down on your gun to reholster. Don't run a SERPA (trigger finger inline with trigger when releasing), unless you have practiced with such a holster and are CONFIDENT in your abilities. don't touch the trigger until ready to fire, and practice a lot. (My hands are big and a I run a 21 in my SERPA, so my finger always ends up on solidly on the front end of the guard. Practice is always key though.) Most police officers have very LITTLE trigger time. Most standard(Non-SWAT) policeman I know is lucky to go shooting 5-10 times a year, and that is a lot for most. Most civilians, including myself, put in more trigger time than most police do. That is a fact. So it doesn't surprise me to see NY triggers in guns because the agency issuing them needs to cover their bases. However, I would like to see any officer with an 11 pound trigger in his Glock shoot near as well at 25 yards, as compared to the standard 5 pound trigger. Much harder to do. And this. Red = This x5000. |
| You guys are thinking way too into it. The OP's question was about his trigger spring, someone called it junk, then I corrected him on the fact that it isn't junk, just a heavier spring, as a matter of fact, the NY series of springs actually last a lot longer then the stock glock trigger spring due to a better design. It may have been designed for cops who used to use service revolvers, but neglecting the fact that the added weight makes it even a little safer, is being hard headed. |
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You guys are thinking way too into it. The OP's question was about his trigger spring, someone called it junk, then I corrected him on the fact that it isn't junk, just a heavier spring, as a matter of fact, the NY series of springs actually last a lot longer then the stock glock trigger spring due to a better design. It may have been designed for cops who used to use service revolvers, but neglecting the fact that the added weight makes it even a little safer, is being hard headed. |
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If trolling around here has taught me anything, it is that answers never end a thread. They only start arguements.  Yeah, my failure of logic, then being corrected about a weapon not being safe because of the trigger weight and accuracy. Who are you again? |