Posted: 1/13/2011 9:21:56 AM EDT
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I am contemplating getting my first Glock. I've been hesitant to purchase one because the few times I have shot them I have not shot them well. I figure this has to be caused by the fact that I am just not used to them and need more trigger time behind one. So I have decided that I would like one in the 9mm flavor. I already own full size pistols, so I don't want another. So I have decided on a Glock 19.
After looking at the Glock website for awhile, I am wondering about the compensator models. Does anybody have any experience with them? Do they stay on target better than a plain 19? Any other issues anybody has heard about the compensator models? I am really having a hard time finding info about them, was hoping you guys could help. Thanks in advance! |
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What do you want it for? Target? If you use it for defense at night, the flash out the top can ruin your night vision. The severity depends on quality of ammo. They are also VERY loud. For another $150, you could get the 19C and also purchase a standard OEM barrel for it. |
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What do you want it for? Target? If you use it for defense at night, the flash out the top can ruin your night vision. The severity depends on quality of ammo. They are also VERY loud. For another $150, you could get the 19C and also purchase a standard OEM barrel for it. I would be using this just as a range gun for now, until I know I can shoot it at least close to on par with my other handguns. Then it would be a SD gun. I hadn't really thought about the repercussions of having the added flash, and didn't really think it would be that much louder. I don't have nightvision, so that is not a problem. Is the difference in muzzle rise really worth having the 19c? Just based on the first two responses I am thinking I would want the regular barrel for SD, so I should probably be practicing with that anyways. Decisions decisions. |
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19C sucks. Gun is fine, great but having gas blowing upward, flash blowing upward in low light is 
9mm does not recoil like a 44mag. Get a standard G19 would be my .02$ I know the recoil of 9mm isn't bad, but what I am wondering is if the compensator model has that much less recoil. I figure every tenth of a second counts. What I am thinking though, is that the upward flash might slow me down in a low light situation, and if it is that much louder than a standard, probably not worth the difference in recoil. |
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I wouldn't buy one. In unconventional shooting positions I may not want that blast routed in that direction.
I will speak to the flash and hindrance of night vision, though. It's absolute nonsense. Anyone who has taken any type of low light or no light training can tell you that a non compensated 9mm pistol will send your night vision to shit just as bad as a compensated one. |
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He was talking about your vision in the dark.. not "nightvision" like goggles... i really lolled when i read that... I never said night vision goggles, I said night vision as in your vision at night. When your eyes have adjusted to the dark and you pull the trigger on any handgun you will be seeing sparkles for a while. You've shot in the dark before, right? |
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I run a 22c for duty. I honestly can not tell the difference between ported/non ported. Looks cool I guess, and is DEFIANTLY louder. I had an issue a while back running Federal FMJ's (Walmart bought) with the 22c. When running touch drills, I noticed extra holes in my target. Upon further inspection, it was the casing coming through the ports on the gun. Even had a couple hit me in the face when shooting from the hip. |
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I wouldn't buy one. In unconventional shooting positions I may not want that blast routed in that direction. I will speak to the flash and hindrance of night vision, though. It's absolute nonsense. Anyone who has taken any type of low light or no light training can tell you that a non compensated 9mm pistol will send your night vision to shit just as bad as a compensated one. Good info. Thank you. Quoted:
He was talking about your vision in the dark.. not "nightvision" like goggles... i really lolled when i read that... I thought NV gear was what jonnyvain was talking about as well. But I did mention that if the upwards flash is really that much worse than a normal model, it might become a distraction long enough to negate the benefit of less recoil. |
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He was talking about your vision in the dark.. not "nightvision" like goggles... i really lolled when i read that... I never said night vision goggles, I said night vision as in your vision at night. When your eyes have adjusted to the dark and you pull the trigger on any handgun you will be seeing sparkles for a while. You've shot in the dark before, right? Ok, I thought you were talking about gear as well. LOL, oh well. So then what you are saying is that the flash from the compensator model will not slow me down anymore than the flash from a non compensated model, and that the main concern with a 19c is not wanting muzzle blast in certain directions in an unconventional stance. |
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I run a 22c for duty. I honestly can not tell the difference between ported/non ported. Looks cool I guess, and is DEFIANTLY louder. I had an issue a while back running Federal FMJ's (Walmart bought) with the 22c. When running touch drills, I noticed extra holes in my target. Upon further inspection, it was the casing coming through the ports on the gun. Even had a couple hit me in the face when shooting from the hip. Wait what? I am having a hard time picturing which way you are saying the casing is ejecting on the 22c. Is it coming up and left?? And plese give me more detail on the part in red. |
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If you need a compensator on a 9mm pistol that already has the recoil absorbing flex of a polymer frame and one of the lowest bore axes available.... I never said recoil is too much on a 9mm pistol. But thank you for insinuating that. I am looking for anything that may take any time off follow up shots at all. Any quicker time matters. If you don't have any information to pass on about the model I am asking about, go post elsewhere. |
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He was talking about your vision in the dark.. not "nightvision" like goggles... i really lolled when i read that... I never said night vision goggles, I said night vision as in your vision at night. When your eyes have adjusted to the dark and you pull the trigger on any handgun you will be seeing sparkles for a while. You've shot in the dark before, right? Ok, I thought you were talking about gear as well. LOL, oh well. So then what you are saying is that the flash from the compensator model will not slow me down anymore than the flash from a non compensated model, and that the main concern with a 19c is not wanting muzzle blast in certain directions in an unconventional stance. Correct. You will be looking down the top of the gun and hopefully you can see your sights. As soon as you pull that trigger there is going to be a large flash right through your line of sight. It is going to be bad with a comped pistol and it is going to be bad with a non comped pistol. |
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I'm sure he meant bullet jacket/casing What would cause it to come through the ports on the gun? Like it is fragmenting? I am also assuming touch drills means up close and personal? The ports are cut into the barrel/rifling. When the bullet obturates and spins down the rifling and hits the ports, some is bound to peel off. |
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I'm sure he meant bullet jacket/casing What would cause it to come through the ports on the gun? Like it is fragmenting? I am also assuming touch drills means up close and personal? The ports are cut into the barrel/rifling. When the bullet obturates and spins down the rifling and hits the ports, some is bound to peel off. Okay. Sounds like the normal model is the one I will be going with. Glad I asked here, I really hadn't thought of the drawbacks of the 19c, and thought the benefits would be more. |
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He was talking about your vision in the dark.. not "nightvision" like goggles... i really lolled when i read that... I never said night vision goggles, I said night vision as in your vision at night. When your eyes have adjusted to the dark and you pull the trigger on any handgun you will be seeing sparkles for a while. You've shot in the dark before, right? Ok, I thought you were talking about gear as well. LOL, oh well. So then what you are saying is that the flash from the compensator model will not slow me down anymore than the flash from a non compensated model, and that the main concern with a 19c is not wanting muzzle blast in certain directions in an unconventional stance. Correct. You will be looking down the top of the gun and hopefully you can see your sights. As soon as you pull that trigger there is going to be a large flash right through your line of sight. It is going to be bad with a comped pistol and it is going to be bad with a non comped pistol. Thanks for the information, definitely helped make my decision easier. |
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Quoted: I wouldn't buy one. In unconventional shooting positions I may not want that blast routed in that direction. I will speak to the flash and hindrance of night vision, though. It's absolute nonsense. Anyone who has taken any type of low light or no light training can tell you that a non compensated 9mm pistol will send your night vision to shit just as bad as a compensated one. This!!! I have Comp and standard and have noticed no major Diff. in muzzle flash at night. I have noticed that the comped models do get a lot more lint and dirt inside the slide, no big deal!!! I would go with the standard model... |
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Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences.
I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. |
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Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences. I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. Any firearm without a flash supressor will ruin your night vision. Let your eyes completely adjust to the dark and then fire a round off. Tell me how long it takes before your eyes readjust. |
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Quoted: Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences. I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. Your right. I am a liar. You got me. Everyone in this thread has been helpful except for you. GD is calling you. OP pay no attention to this guy.
    Also earlier I meant the jacket on the bullet itself was shaving off. |
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Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences. I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. Your right. I am a liar. You got me. Everyone in this thread has been helpful except for you. GD is calling you. OP pay no attention to this guy. Also earlier I meant the jacket on the bullet itself was shaving off.
Is the OP asking about a 22C? Unless my eyes are worse than I thought, I could swear that he was aking about a 19C. Correct me if I am mistaken.... |
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Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences. I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. Any firearm without a flash supressor will ruin your night vision. Let your eyes completely adjust to the dark and then fire a round off. Tell me how long it takes before your eyes readjust. I have shot plenty at night from rifles and shotguns to handguns and never experienced loss of night vision. Granted, most of the rifles I have fired at night had a flash hider, but the handguns and shotguns didn't, and most of the AKs had slant brakes. It never happened with my 19C or 19. |
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Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences. I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. Any firearm without a flash supressor will ruin your night vision. Let your eyes completely adjust to the dark and then fire a round off. Tell me how long it takes before your eyes readjust. I have shot plenty at night from rifles and shotguns to handguns and never experienced loss of night vision. Granted, most of the rifles I have fired at night had a flash hider, but the handguns and shotguns didn't, and most of the AKs had slant brakes. It never happened with my 19C or 19. Pretty interesting if you don't know how the human eye functions: http://avstop.com/AC/FlightTraingHandbook/nightvision.html |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of these cons are complete speculation and I doubt many that are posting this stuff truly have owned and fired a C model.... or maybe they are super sensitive to very subtle differences. I have owned C and non-C models. The only cons that I can say are 100% factual are the fact that they are significantly louder to the shooter and they create the need to clean additional areas of the weapon. The benefit of the compensated barrel is noticeable, but I would not say that it is extreme. I have fired C models at night and that "ruining your night vision" thing is BS. You really have to be looking for the 'V' to see it and it is very brief. A camera may be able to make it look like it is super bright and significant, but it isn't the same to the human eye. Get the C model if you want it. I liked mine and had it for years. I sold it to get an OD G19. Had it not been for that, I would have kept it. I could actually shoot the C model more accurately in rapid succession. The premise of "fragments of the projectile getting shaved off by the ports" is absolutely laughable. Maybe the speculators should off the couch and go shoot a rental G19C. Your right. I am a liar. You got me. Everyone in this thread has been helpful except for you. GD is calling you. OP pay no attention to this guy. Also earlier I meant the jacket on the bullet itself was shaving off. Is the OP asking about a 22C? Unless my eyes are worse than I thought, I could swear that he was aking about a 19C. Correct me if I am mistaken.... Pretty sure you made a comment about someone truly owning a "C" model. Correct me if I am mistaken.... |
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I had a 19c for my first Glock.
It was VERY loud, and while the flash isn't a problem - the gasses flying into your face when shooting from retention are. The 9mm doesn't have enough recoil to warrant a compensator, and all it does it get more of the gun dirty when shooting. Look at it this way...if comps were very useful, they would be much more popular on Glocks. Get a standard G19 
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Since you're looking for your first Glock I'd stick with the standard 19. You can add a "C" model later if you want.
I recently shot a 19C for the first time and really liked it. I was able to empty the mag as fast as I could pull the trigger and it honestly felt like the gun didn't move. I wouldn't want one as my only gun but it would be fun as a range toy or competition gun, but then I'd go for the 17C. |