Posted: 5/12/2010 8:19:27 AM EDT
| I think this topic came up a while back, but searching the forums I got nothing. Thoughts on techniques and gear? Was thinking a thumb lock holster would be a good idea. Also here in VA I believe when the local PD runs your tags you come up with a CCW license, I assume the same applies to a motorcycle license plate? |
| Your CCW status is attached to your drivers license, not plates. I don't recommend a small of the back holster, my shirt used to fly up going down the freeway. I switched to an iwb and practiced with my riding jacket. Depends on the type of bike and gear you regularly wear. |
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Smart carry works well. Some people don't like to wear it on the waist (IWB or OWB) due to fear of injury.
Some like shoulder rigs since your wearing a jacket (I hope) whenever riding. I use smart carry. It enables me to remove my riding gear when I stop and keeps my pistol on me, not the bike. The laws for bikes should be the same as the laws for any other conveyance. |
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I bought my LCP .380 with the motorcycle in mind. Small enough to fit in one of the jacket pockets, and it's slim enough I'm not too worried about it beating me up in the event of an accident.
Tank or Tail bag is where the full size gun rides. A friend of mine will carry his full size IWB like he always does, just under his riding gear. |
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Any ideas if you have to go mail a small package from the post office??? i am looking to find a way to secure a lock box to the rear rack of my bike but i want a waterproof box, that is nice steel.  What weapon do you run? If your still ridin that sv650, the trunk space under the back seat could easily hold something like a ruger lcp, probably even a glock 26. I haven't tried to fit my 19 in there yet. [edit] if thats a vstrom or something else in the pic then I don't know. |
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it is a DL650(ak wee strom), i have thought about the tool box area(plenty of area for a g19 or so), BUT regs say it must be steel. (not plastic surrounded by plastic), so i shall stoop to levels of stupid that i previously never knew and place it in a steel box(which is why i need gaskets) bolted to the luggage rack(if i get a slim box it ought to fit pretty nice/look pretty good).
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I think this topic came up a while back, but searching the forums I got nothing. Thoughts on techniques and gear? Was thinking a thumb lock holster would be a good idea. Also here in VA I believe when the local PD runs your tags you come up with a CCW license, I assume the same applies to a motorcycle license plate? I don't think it is your tags that they are checking when the VA police come up with you as a CCW holder - it is your driver's permit itself. Because of that, yeah, if they check your permit, motorcycle or car, it will show as a CCW holder. |
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I didnt know that your ccw license comes with your regular license maybe your states do it differently in NH it is a seperate piece of paper you must carry with you at all times. It is a separate license, but in VA and OH (the only 2 I know for sure), the state also puts a flag in the computer so when a LEO runs your license, it comes up as a CCW holder too. In both states it's mandatory to notify LEO's if your carrying. If your not carrying, they'll still see your permitted and may ask you if you're carrying anyway. I was stopped in VA by VSP on 264 in Norfolk, not armed, in uniform on my way home from the base. Trooper came back with my ticket and questioned me about whether or not I was carrying, told him no, and it was done. |
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I didnt know that your ccw license comes with your regular license maybe your states do it differently in NH it is a seperate piece of paper you must carry with you at all times. It is a separate license, but in VA and OH (the only 2 I know for sure), the state also puts a flag in the computer so when a LEO runs your license, it comes up as a CCW holder too. In both states it's mandatory to notify LEO's if your carrying. If your not carrying, they'll still see your permitted and may ask you if you're carrying anyway. I was stopped in VA by VSP on 264 in Norfolk, not armed, in uniform on my way home from the base. Trooper came back with my ticket and questioned me about whether or not I was carrying, told him no, and it was done. not mandatory to inform in VA |
| i am 100% sure that your license plate number will bring up your ccw in ohio. in virginia i dont know. but i carry iwb about 4 o'clock and am very comfortable. when i go in somewhere i put it in a small fork bag. if you have an under the seat storage area like on a sportbike i would suggest storing it there on trips into the post office and such. |
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Any ideas if you have to go mail a small package from the post office??? i am looking to find a way to secure a lock box to the rear rack of my bike but i want a waterproof box, that is nice steel. I have a great idea. It is concealed so go mail your small box and call it a day. putting a steel box on your motorcycle is going to get you 'made' much faster as you move the gun from you to the box. Unless you leave the gun in the box all of the time which takes the usefullness away from carrying in most situations where you would need it. |
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This questions comes up every few months, there are generally to many variables for everyone to agree on one 'best' method. the general consensus is however to definately avoid any small of back style carry for potential spinal cord injuries. I basically switch off between two different styles 50/50 depending on duration and what kind of riding im gonna be doing etc. On my style Vanson I have two large chest vents/pockets, I usually keep one of those cheep nylon soft holsters with a velcro thumb snap in my weak side pocket and then just transition from my ctac to that when I get on the bike. the problem with this is I almost dont even consider this being armed, ive practiced trying to draw from this and between bike gloves, a helmet that keeps me from looking down, and a deep pocket, ill be long dead before I can come close to even begining to draw. Other times I feel perfectly comfortable/confident just going about with my normal IWB 10 oclock Ctac carry, I keep the allen key in my jacket sleeve pocket and occasionally torque down the retention screw a little extra before the ride if im going to be on the highway, but if not, im still completely confident that my jacket will help keep my rig secure up against my waist anyway. Lately i've been preferring this method for three reasons: I've gottten over the fear of losing the weapon while on a bike (its not going anywhere) If I had to draw from say a traffic light I could, relatively quickly, at the very least id probably be able to get a least a few shots off if I had some distance or the BG approached from the front or side.  If I do lay it down one day, the HK is gonna dig into my chest and mess me up something awful and probably break a bunch of ribs, on my hip still might fracture my pelvis but the odds of landing in that spot are much much lower. Quoted: Any ideas if you have to go mail a small package from the post office??? i am looking to find a way to secure a lock box to the rear rack of my bike but i want a waterproof box, that is nice steel. I dont think a lock box is the answer for this at all, theres almost no way to secure it well enough to a bike that would keep someone off for any more than 30 seconds or so, and if you did manage a secure setup it would be way way to conspicous. Again everyone has this issue and just about everyone handles it differently, Id say at least half the people go with concealed means concealed and thats that which I think is perfectly acceptable. for me, this may sound stupid but on the P7M8 you can actually pull the firing pin right out the rear of the slide with a small tool, what I generally do is break it down so I leave the frame and my mags either under the seat or locked in my bag and then carry the slide and internals in my pocket. Is it stupid, probably, is it still illegal if someone had a bug up their ass in the first place, idk i guess so, but I'm not willing to ever leave a pistol locked in case in public on a bike. |
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for me, this may sound stupid but on the P7M8 you can actually pull the firing pin right out the rear of the slide with a small tool, what I generally do is break it down so I leave the frame and my mags either under the seat or locked in my bag and then carry the slide and internals in my pocket. Is it stupid, probably, is it still illegal if someone had a bug up their ass in the first place, idk i guess so, but I'm not willing to ever leave a pistol locked in case in public on a bike. I don't think that's stupid at all, I could be wrong but I don't think that just the slide qualifies as a firearm so it shouldn't be illegal. This is what I'll be doing from now on, minus the firing pin removal. Thanks! |
Anyone use an ankle holster and a small revolver? I was thinking about this but then the idea of my pant leg raising up, I don't think there is a "best" way to carry on a motorcycle .Seems you always trade off something. I have seen some pics of those holsters that attach right on the bike. They seem good but then it's out there for God and Country to see (and steal) and you have the problem of what to do when you get off. That and of course most of us can not open carry  Here in East Texas it get very hot and there are times when "proper" rider gear is stretch a bit. I always have one in the locked hard saddle bag but that is not really carrying is it?
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Quoted: Anyone use an ankle holster and a small revolver? I was thinking about this but then the idea of my pant leg raising up, I don't think there is a "best" way to carry on a motorcycle .Seems you always trade off something. I have seen some pics of those holsters that attach right on the bike. They seem good but then it's out there for God and Country to see (and steal) and you have the problem of what to do when you get off. That and of course most of us can not open carry Here in East Texas it get very hot and there are times when "proper" rider gear is stretch a bit. I always have one in the locked hard saddle bag but that is not really carrying is it?To be honest I would think an ankle holster on a bike is probably one of the worst places to carry vs. anything else. When your on a bike your ankles and constantly flexing and moving, basically doing all the work, not to mention they sit right next to the engine or exhaust and an inside the ankle holster may get pretty hot/maybe melt if this is the setup on your bike. when I carry I always want my ccw on my person for exactly the reason you mention. iirc youguys in Tx still can't open carry or even print (brandishing charge) that sounds like a super pain in the ass, if you do carrry IWB I think either printing or the occasional wind gust would definately expose your ccw. |
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I had an interesting situation today.
I took a trip down to NW Arkansas for the weekend to ride around. Roads are so totally wicked sick down there! Anyway, on the way back, we were on some back road out in rural Missouri, and there was a pickup truck just sitting in his lane, idling. (typical two-lane blacktop state highway, so rather odd.) We slowed down and passed and it was an old guy just sitting there. My riding partner wanted to go help him, I didn't particularly want to. Anyway, she turned around and pulled up next to him. I pulled up behind his truck, and got my gloved hand into my jacket pocket where my LCP was, just in case. As I was doing that, another truck pulled up behind me, real close! I started to think 'Crap, we're about to get robbed or worse by some fucking tag-team rednecks in the middle of nowhere, MO.' I put the kick stand down and was getting ready to dismount, wondering if I would be able to get my gloved finger into the trigger guard of the LCP. But then, my partner said something like 'Okay, just checking, later!' and the truck started to pull away. Turned out he was just sitting there, says he does it all the time. Oh........kay. Anyway, non-issue, but that's why I carry, even on my motorcycle. You never know what you might run into out in BFE. |
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I'm just a casual rider, I don't own a bike, but I ride friend's when I can. That said, every time I've ridden a motorcycle on the street, I've worn my EDC gear, stongside IWB, weakside mag carrier. Just gotta make sure your shirt doesn't blow up and expose your piece. It helps to wear a well-fitted leather riding jacket. I've also rode with a jframe in my boot, which is nice.
I'm not worried about injury from the gun, because if it comes to that, falling on the gun is the least of my worries. 
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Quoted: I use a Galco IWB holster, full size 1911. I have also feild tested it in a 60MPH crash. Broke both my legs, flight for life the whole bit. The gun stayed in the holster. I did it so you dont have to. Your welcome. man that's really awful sorry you had to go through that. Details of the incident? How much gear? Also did the 1911 have any impact on your injuries? did it affect the fractrure, bruising etc.? |
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Quoted: I didnt know that your ccw license comes with your regular license maybe your states do it differently in NH it is a seperate piece of paper you must carry with you at all times. No actual requirement to carry it, IIRC. quite practical though. Saves a lot of time. However, concealed is concealed works pretty well for me.......... |
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Quoted: This questions comes up every few months, there are generally to many variables for everyone to agree on one 'best' method. the general consensus is however to definately avoid any small of back style carry for potential spinal cord injuries. snip........ I had an interesting incident during the winter regarding small-of-back carry. While moving my stuff out of a friends house (it got sold in Janurary )I was carrying the back end of a large couch, jiggling it oout the front door and down several steps. Slipped on some ice, my feet went forward, UNDER the couch, I went flat on my back, with the couch on top of me, hitting the aluminium track for the sliding door just below my waist. The sudden drop caused the guy on the other end of the couch to drop his end, also. Fortunately, my G19 bridged the track, and the edge of the step, and protected me from the sharp edges. The only damage to me was from the couch on top of me!!! Not even a bruise on my back. Gut, legs, arms, a little worse. Applying this experience to my many hi/lowside crashes on a racetrack, I think that SOB carry is not an issue. sort of more like a spine protecter, than a spine smasher. If you are more concerned about crashes, Post Offices, etc. perhaps you should re-evaluate your CCW decisions........... More people have gotten shot inside a PO, than outside of one. Shit happens regardless of the quality of your preparations, or lack thereof...... IMHO YMMV |
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Quoted: I routinely use an ankle holster when riding. I use a Galco Ankle Glove with my Glock 26. I wear boots that are about 13" tall, but have adjustable straps for the calf diameter, so the holster/gun is worn inside the boot. It rides about 1/3 or 1/2 way up my calf, to where the grip is mostly above the boot. I wear boot cut blue jeans, and there's a slight bump where the bottom of the grip is, but you've gotta look pretty hard to notice it. As for comfort, I find it very comfortable. Due to the boot, the holster rides higher than with normal footwear, so it's all around my calf; the boot holds it in place very well. No amount of ankle movement has any effect on the holster. As for heat, I'm in Phoenix, and it was 109 degrees yesterday. Despite being next to my engine for an hour (20 min in a slow-speed stop-and-go traffic jam), I felt no more heat than normal. The metal slide being mostly inside the boot, it doesn't get any hotter than my leg already would. Plus, it's on the left (non-exhaust) side, so it doesn't get that hot anyway. I've been riding like this for months, and the only downside for me, is the normal ankle holster complaint: hard to get to in a hurry. But I knew that when I bought the ankle holster, and it's a tradeoff I accept when I don't use my IWB holster.To be honest I would think an ankle holster on a bike is probably one of the worst places to carry vs. anything else. When your on a bike your ankles and constantly flexing and moving, basically doing all the work, not to mention they sit right next to the engine or exhaust and an inside the ankle holster may get pretty hot/maybe melt if this is the setup on your bike. when I carry I always want my ccw on my person for exactly the reason you mention. If you've already accepted using an ankle holster, then I see no reason that riding a motorcycle would affect your choice. I think your choice in footwear would make a much bigger impact - having the holster on the inside of the boot is much more secure and concealable. |
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I use a Galco IWB holster, full size 1911. I have also feild tested it in a 60MPH crash. Broke both my legs, flight for life the whole bit. The gun stayed in the holster. I did it so you dont have to. Your welcome. man that's really awful sorry you had to go through that. Details of the incident? How much gear? Also did the 1911 have any impact on your injuries? did it affect the fractrure, bruising etc.? LONG STORY..but the gun (on my right hip) had no impact on my injuries. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I routinely use an ankle holster when riding. I use a Galco Ankle Glove with my Glock 26. I wear boots that are about 13" tall, but have adjustable straps for the calf diameter, so the holster/gun is worn inside the boot. It rides about 1/3 or 1/2 way up my calf, to where the grip is mostly above the boot. I wear boot cut blue jeans, and there's a slight bump where the bottom of the grip is, but you've gotta look pretty hard to notice it. As for comfort, I find it very comfortable. Due to the boot, the holster rides higher than with normal footwear, so it's all around my calf; the boot holds it in place very well. No amount of ankle movement has any effect on the holster. As for heat, I'm in Phoenix, and it was 109 degrees yesterday. Despite being next to my engine for an hour (20 min in a slow-speed stop-and-go traffic jam), I felt no more heat than normal. The metal slide being mostly inside the boot, it doesn't get any hotter than my leg already would. Plus, it's on the left (non-exhaust) side, so it doesn't get that hot anyway. I've been riding like this for months, and the only downside for me, is the normal ankle holster complaint: hard to get to in a hurry. But I knew that when I bought the ankle holster, and it's a tradeoff I accept when I don't use my IWB holster.To be honest I would think an ankle holster on a bike is probably one of the worst places to carry vs. anything else. When your on a bike your ankles and constantly flexing and moving, basically doing all the work, not to mention they sit right next to the engine or exhaust and an inside the ankle holster may get pretty hot/maybe melt if this is the setup on your bike. when I carry I always want my ccw on my person for exactly the reason you mention. If you've already accepted using an ankle holster, then I see no reason that riding a motorcycle would affect your choice. I think your choice in footwear would make a much bigger impact - having the holster on the inside of the boot is much more secure and concealable. Interesting thanks for the review, I think I'm gonna give this a try, I guess my issue is a little unique since Im Southpaw so I carry on my left Ankle and my bike is a boxer layout which means a bunch of heat coming from that cylinder that's sticking straihght out by my leg followed up by the exhaust also running on the same side, but your right it would make a draw a hell of a lot faster, and if its high enough would probably also offer quite a bit more retention than IWB carry. |