[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Handcuffs (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/14/2010 4:34:40 AM EDT
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Any non-leo carry cuff with them ?
I saw a pic of some non-leo's carry gear and he had a set off cuffs there . Personally I think carrying cuffs COULD possibly be useful in a rare circumstance (or flexi-cuffs) , but you'd far more likely be tagged negatively as a "wannabe" LEO . Do people actually carry some type of restraints on them ? Opinions ? |
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Cuff are a horrible idea. One, it takes some training to be able to properly apply cuffs and two, you dont want to be trying to do it by yourself (especially in an instance where your firearm needed to be pulled).
That being said my EDC bag and truck box has items that could be used to restrain someone (not cuffs) in some rare instance that it might be needed or safe to do so (they are not dedicated restraint items), that or if I want to tie up the GF...  .
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Cuff are a horrible idea. One, it takes some training to be able to properly apply cuffs and two, you dont want to be trying to do it by yourself (especially in an instance where your firearm needed to be pulled). That being said my EDC bag and truck box has items that could be used to restrain someone (not cuffs) in some rare instance that it might be needed or safe to do so (they are not dedicated restraint items), that or if I want to tie up the GF... .Duct tape works well to always have with you . 
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[renegade13B] only while bar-hopping to meet women, in Oregon... [/renegade13B] That was classic! No way would I ever carry cuffs. I have zero training on cuffing anyone and I would never want to get that close to a genuine lethal threat. I carry a gun so I don't have to carry cuffs.
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| I keep my granfather's pair of LEO duty S&W handcuffs in my bug out bag. I have tested them and they work just fine. I keep a key on the bag too; I don't expect to cuff someone, but like the option. (Kinda like I don't plan on shooting anyone, but I'm going to keep the option.) |
You're going to get the  face if you are carrying cuffs while CCW - regardless of whether your are police or citizen.
Not only is it tactically unsound (how much arrest control techniques training do you have?), but it is also legally unsound. You open yourself up to a lot of liability (false arrest, impersonating a police) if you use handcuffs Plus, most importantly, it makes you look like a squirrel. |
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Cuff are a horrible idea. One, it takes some training to be able to properly apply cuffs and two, you dont want to be trying to do it by yourself (especially in an instance where your firearm needed to be pulled). That being said my EDC bag and truck box has items that could be used to restrain someone (not cuffs) in some rare instance that it might be needed or safe to do so (they are not dedicated restraint items), that or if I want to tie up the GF... .I was about 12 when I first slapped cuffs on a friend
That being said, rather carry some zipties or something, probably the smallest cheapest and most inconspicuous solution. |
Only times I've carried handcuffs was for the military security forces and on some dates  I would never carry them for conceal carry though, i mean they are heavy and without somebody keeping a gun on the bad guy it's not the best idea to try to cuff someone. I much rather carry spare mags and a flashlight instead.
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| Bad idea to carry cuffs even if properly trained, they are extra weight that you could use for something else. They are hard to put on with out some one holding them at gun, point, it's much easier to just hold them at gun point yourself and wait for the cops. |
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Bad idea to carry cuffs even if properly trained, they are extra weight that you could use for something else. They are hard to put on with out some one holding them at gun, point, it's much easier to just hold them at gun point yourself and wait for the cops. I don't know anybody I work with who actually carries cuffs on their person off duty. |
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Any non-leo carry cuff with them ? I saw a pic of some non-leo's carry gear and he had a set off cuffs there . Personally I think carrying cuffs COULD possibly be useful in a rare circumstance (or flexi-cuffs) , but you'd far more likely be tagged negatively as a "wannabe" LEO . Do people actually carry some type of restraints on them ? Opinions ? Very bad idea if your planning on using them to detain someone. First, in most states you need to be trained and certified to apply restraints such as here in PA, a course such as ACT-120. Second, you could face charges such as unlawful detainment or unlawful imprisonment. |
| I dont see why you would need them, the whole point of carrying is only to use it in a life and death situation where you feel your life or another is under threat of deadly force, which gives you the right to use deadly force and if your going to pull that gun you better use it. By arresting them your acting as a agent of the law, not a citizen concerned for your life. |
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I was in a situation recently where I wish I had cuffs on me... and I still don't carry them. I was in Ca (I am living between Az and Ca right now) so no CCW. Homeless guy accosted me and the wife loading the car grocery shopping. He took a swing, I took him to the ground and detained him, private persons arrest and called the cops. I was able to keep him under control, but the whole time I was thinking "Damn, I wish I had my cuffs on me!"
I train security for hospitals, so I have fairly extensive experience in their application. It would have made keeping the guy under control until police arrived a lot easier. That being said, iI carry pepper spray in CA now and the pistol in AZ or elsewhere, still no cuffs. |
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You're going to get the face if you are carrying cuffs while CCW - regardless of whether your are police or citizen.
Not only is it tactically unsound (how much arrest control techniques training do you have?), but it is also legally unsound. You open yourself up to a lot of liability (false arrest, impersonating a police) if you use handcuffs Plus, most importantly, it makes you look like a squirrel. A squirrel. Man, I thought that was just a firehouse term, cops use that too? |
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You're going to get the face if you are carrying cuffs while CCW - regardless of whether your are police or citizen.
Not only is it tactically unsound (how much arrest control techniques training do you have?), but it is also legally unsound. You open yourself up to a lot of liability (false arrest, impersonating a police) if you use handcuffs Plus, most importantly, it makes you look like a squirrel. A squirrel. Man, I thought that was just a firehouse term, cops use that too? We stole it from you guys. 
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The only handcuffs I have are for the bedroom,I don't see a reason to carry cuffs around. This. Have a set near the bed. Also have a set in the car. They are there for the same reason. Also I've used them as a trick. Do some random card tricks, get out of cuffs, etc. |
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The only handcuffs I have are for the bedroom,I don't see a reason to carry cuffs around. This. Have a set near the bed. Also have a set in the car. They are there for the same reason. Also I've used them as a trick. Do some random card tricks, get out of cuffs, etc. Moonlight as a magician, do ya?
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I keep my granfather's pair of LEO duty S&W handcuffs in my bug out bag. I have tested them and they work just fine. I keep a key on the bag too; I don't expect to cuff someone, but like the option. (Kinda like I don't plan on shooting anyone, but I'm going to keep the option.) So do you train with the cuffs like you do the gun? Sorry, cuffing some one is not as easy as it looks on tv. Not to mention if you are solo the odds are in his favor unless he is unconscious or dead. At which point you really don't need to cuff him/her. I do not recommend cuffs. let us weigh the pro's and cons: Pro:Nothing from a ccw perspective. You shoot the guy he runs away. Or drops You are now safe Con: Makes you look like a wanna be possibly turn an ok for you situation into sucks to be you Additionally liability (criminal and civil) If you don't have training odds are you go to cuff you are not winning the fight. |
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Bad idea to carry cuffs even if properly trained, they are extra weight that you could use for something else. They are hard to put on with out some one holding them at gun, point, it's much easier to just hold them at gun point yourself and wait for the cops. I don't know anybody I work with who actually carries cuffs on their person off duty. Well, I don't work with you but it is encouraged at my agency and I do (two pair asp flex). I realize the situation where you can use them safely (as does my boss) are few and far between but he shares my opinion of better to have and not need than have that one in a hundred they might be useful and not have them. |
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Bad idea to carry cuffs even if properly trained, they are extra weight that you could use for something else. They are hard to put on with out some one holding them at gun, point, it's much easier to just hold them at gun point yourself and wait for the cops. They can be hard to get on even if someone IS holding the douchebage at gunpoint. Hell, they can be hard get on with three cops on the shitbag and a 9mm screwed in his ear. |
| I would have to agree carrying cuffs might be a little bit cop wanna be-ish. If you ned your weapon, you are probably going to have to shoot, and if you do you should dhoot til the threat is down. If you aren't going to draw, you should get out of the situation. Cuffs would indicate you are going to get close enough to put them on the person. Not a good idea. You may end up cuffed and dead. That seems like a combination I would avoid... |
Right on, been a while since we had a "handcuffs thread" in Carry Discussions!
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Bad idea to carry cuffs even if properly trained, they are extra weight that you could use for something else. They are hard to put on with out some one holding them at gun, point, it's much easier to just hold them at gun point yourself and wait for the cops. They can be hard to get on even if someone IS holding the douchebage at gunpoint. Hell, they can be hard get on with three cops on the shitbag and a 9mm screwed in his ear. Funny but true! A lot of times the "oh shit I'm going to jail" factor kicks in when you first touch someone or they see/hear the cuffs. Then you can have a real fubar going on. If it's that bad and I'm off duty, I'm calling it in. |
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I recently had a conversation with a retired LEO about keeping handcuffs as part of a "bump in the night" kit. Using cuffs to detain someone would allow the county attorney to file unlawful imprisonment charges on the handcuff owner. Our conversation ended with it was better to not allow the bad guy to tell their side .
Remember, "I was in fear of my life..." |
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I recently had a conversation with a retired LEO about keeping handcuffs as part of a "bump in the night" kit. Using cuffs to detain someone would allow the county attorney to file unlawful imprisonment charges on the handcuff owner. Our conversation ended with it was better to not allow the bad guy to tell their side .
Remember, "I was in fear of my life..." Citizens have arresting powers in MY STATE for any felony that was witnessed (which SHOULD be the only reason why the CCW clears the holster in the first place). Thus, the false imprisonment bit can very likely be nonsense, your state's rules may vary. The real reason for not carrying cuffs is the danger of appying them. |
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The real reason for not carrying cuffs is the danger of appying them. +1 Ask yourself a few questions first. Do you know what communicable diseases the cuffee has? Do you have any training in the proper application of handcuffs? Do you have a good attorney on retainer? Seriously, between the CCW badges and the handcuffs, I have to question the maturity of some otherwise good folks. |