Posted: 2/21/2010 4:59:39 PM EDT
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I am getting my permit to carry in the next few months, and the decision on what condition to carry my pistol in has been on my mind heavily. ($180.00 firestorm 1911 Gov't. don't laugh too hard, about 2500 rounds over 10 years without one single malfunction). I usually keep everything condition 3, with kids in the house. I feel completely safe carrying exposed with one in the pipe, with no clothes to snag on. I always carry that way hunting, and while in South Dakota dog hunting, but i feel less safe carrying cocked and locked under all my clothes concealed. I guess since i had kids, the thought of my little boy running up to me and the damn thing going off for some unknown act of god scares me a bit (guess i have gone soft). I know you should never carry in 3.
i guess i am here to see if you all can give me some advice to help me feel better in my choice. |
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OP, your post screams a need for good, formal training. ONLY way to carry a pistol, at all, any way, no matter where you are at, is loaded, chambered, safety on (if it has a safety)............Condition 1, as we call it. I call it that with my Glocks, even though there's no external safety. Only way to go. |
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Quoted: I think that's still Condition 1, because technically, if you're not pulling the trigger, all the safeties are on. ONLY way to carry a pistol, at all, any way, no matter where you are at, is loaded, chambered, safety on (if it has a safety)............Condition 1, as we call it. I call it that with my Glocks, even though there's no external safety.  |
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Sully is a quality instructor and will assuage your fears of carrying a loaded, cocked/locked pistol and give you the confidence in your ability you need. Plus, he's local to MN and there are a ton of us alumni around to help you out. Hope to see you at a class soon! |
Well, thanks all. I think i will be fine carrying condition 1. Can't wait to get my permit. Probably gonna have to wait a little longer though, lost my job today. 
Yes, i do need formal training to build confidence. I want to seek that as soon as finances allow. till then.. |
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I am getting my permit to carry in the next few months, and the decision on what condition to carry my pistol in has been on my mind heavily. ($180.00 firestorm 1911 Gov't. don't laugh too hard, about 2500 rounds over 10 years without one single malfunction). I usually keep everything condition 3, with kids in the house. I feel completely safe carrying exposed with one in the pipe, with no clothes to snag on. I always carry that way hunting, and while in South Dakota dog hunting, but i feel less safe carrying cocked and locked under all my clothes concealed. I guess since i had kids, the thought of my little boy running up to me and the damn thing going off for some unknown act of god scares me a bit (guess i have gone soft). I know you should never carry in 3. i guess i am here to see if you all can give me some advice to help me feel better in my choice. I would never say it would not happen. So how many times have you heard of this happening? damn thing going off for some unknown act of god For me, loading the gun, as a gun fight starts. Is like buckeling your seat belt as a Mac Truck come throw your passanger door! Someone said :Cocked and locked or leave it home. That is up to you! Good Luck! Let us know just what you do. PITA45 
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| Sorry to hear about the loss of your job. Hopefully you'll find a new job in short order. As for carrying if there isn't a round in the chamber you're at a huge disadvantage right off the bat. I carry my HK USP cocked and locked just as I carried my 1911s. The nice thing about the HK is being DA/SA I can carry with one in the chamber and the hammer down. With a proper holster there is no way your youngster could run up to give daddy a hug and wind up shooting you in the foot. |
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Well, thanks all. I think i will be fine carrying condition 1. Can't wait to get my permit. Probably gonna have to wait a little longer though, lost my job today.
Yes, i do need formal training to build confidence. I want to seek that as soon as finances allow. till then.. One thing that helps build confidence, is to make sure you gun is empty, holster just like you'll be carrying it, then wear it around the house all day doing routine tasks. This wil show you what the gun will act like, what sort of movements will expose the gun, what won't. After a while it'll click, that it's not a big deal. The other option is to just suck it up and do it. That's the route I went when I got a 1911 to carry, I had the same questions. Finally I decided to nut up before I psyched myself out and have been carrying for years now, IWB cocked and locked. |
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If you're concerned about carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, get another gun.
A DAO of DA/SA mechanism with the hammer down (decocked) or a striker fired pistol with no external hammer. On the other hand, a cocked and locked 1911 in good working condition requires that 3 things happen before it could ever go off. 1: The safety must be released (1911's have very secure "click in place safeties) 2: The grip safety must be depressed.............. and then held in place - virtually impossible with a bump or the like. 3: The trigger must be pulled. Which is really, really hard to do if the gun is in a proper holster. Truth is, it's one of the safest configurations in existence. |
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I've seen a lot of post/threads today that would so be addressed if you did IDPA. Sure it isn't real life but you will get a pretty good measure of what will work when you move. Build confidence while you draw, present and shoot. Mag reloads. How many you need (or a good indication). In a nice safe environment while you are having fun.
It's a good confidence builder. Plus most of the rules are build on good principles. Not the gospel but good guidelines. Also the divisions will tell you what is the best way to carry your type of gun. SA, DAO, DA/SA. Pick your poison. |
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I carry my Glock with one in the chamber. Otherwise I might as well be carrying a 9.5oz paper weight to chuck at my attacker. 9.5oz?!? Do you have one of those all ceramic Glocks?
OP, yeah get comfortable with cocked and locked or find a different gun. There is a member here who helped save his friends and shot an armed robber with his 1911. Unfortunately, the good guy caught a few rounds too but he wouldn't have stood any chance at all if he wasn't carrying with one in the chamber. |
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Quoted: Indeed.Quoted: I think that's still Condition 1, because technically, if you're not pulling the trigger, all the safeties are on. ONLY way to carry a pistol, at all, any way, no matter where you are at, is loaded, chambered, safety on (if it has a safety)............Condition 1, as we call it. I call it that with my Glocks, even though there's no external safety. And with that, I own page 2. Carry chambered! |
Con 1 always or you have a mighty fine $550.00 hammer. A deadly force situation will prestnt itself and be over in ~5-7 seconds. You can't afford to waste the 2 that it takes to rack the slide or cock the hammer. I seen a video the other day where it only took 3 seconds to unholster and fire 3 rounds hitting center mass. This shit happens QUICK! If you are going to carrry any other way I sure could use a nice new 'hammer' 
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