Posted: 4/13/2009 8:20:51 AM EDT
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KSHP had a speed trap setup on a highway, watching traffic going both directions. Speed limit is 70, he caught me doing 80. Normal speed for that highway during the day, but it was about 1 am. I pulled over, rolled down my window, put my car in park, put on my hazards, turned off the car and sat there with my hands on the wheel. The patrolman walked up, didn't ask if I knew why he had pulled me over, just told me he had clocked me at 80. He asked for my license and proof of insurance, I told him where it was, he said ok, then I got my wallet out and handed the two cards to him. He gave me back my insurance card and went back to his car. He came back a few minutes later, and handed me my license, told me he was letting me go with a warning and to please slow down.
We don't have to declare our weapons in KS unless they ask. He didn't ask and I didn't tell him. Sunday I saw my wife's uncle who is a recently retired LEO. I told him what happened and he was surprised I was let go. He knows I carry, so I asked him if the patrolman could tell when he ran my license, and he said it would have come up on his screen if he had a computer (which he should have), or that dispatch would have told him because it would come up on theirs, apparently flasshing on the screen. So I'm thinking my CCW permit just got me out of a ticket. That's what we call Return On Investment. It could be because I'm polite whenever I'm pulled over, or that this was the first time I've been stopped in 8 years, who knows. But I doubt they had a speed trap going over a few miles with at least 8 cars just to issue warnings. Just thought I'd share a successful interaction with Law Enforcement while carrying. I had a 1911 and two spare mags, in addition to my flashlight and pocket knife on me at the time. For the curious, the CCW doesn't show on my DL, it's a seaparate card. |
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In my CCH class the instructor specifically stated that they can't see that information on their computer. You have to show them your CCH ID if they ask, but you don't have to volunteer it.
The information about the computer is coming from an instructor with credentials that are unknown to me, so take that for what it's worth. |
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Quoted: hmm? I did not know that. In will be interested to see comments from LEO's.........Do you guys know an individual has a CCW when you run their license for aa ticket? In Arkansas, yes. The Arkansas State Police are the CHL Administrators/Issuers. They also have connections into the DMV and DL issuers so the information is tied together into one big database. |
| I know that you are required to notifiy LEO in Louisiana. I can tell you that you got a warning because you were not a shit bag. Most of the tickets that I write are because the violater talked themselves into one. I do appreciate when people tell me that they are armed, but I am cautious of EVERYONE. The PO-lice like kindness like everyone else. |
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Makes sense to me, I was just surprised they'd do that in a speed trap so I wound up looking for a reason why. Still a very positive interaction, and based on what my wife's uncle said the patrolman didn't bat an eye. I did a ride-along once and the officer I was with came back to the car and looked up 2 additional citations to give to a lady for being uncooperative when he went to speak with her. That lady failed to stop at a stop sign as she turned onto a main throughfare, failed to look so she got wreckless endangerment or some such, and I think he cited her for impeding an officer in his duties or something relative. This is the first time I've been let out of a ticket without personally knowing the officer stopping me.
I could have let him know I was carrying, but really the reason I didn't is because it's so normal for me now. Back when I first started and was still nervous about it I might have told him immediately. The other thing her uncle told me was that if I get stopped in MO that I should probably tell them if I'm armed. I got the impression that he thinks they're a little more wary across the border. I need to double check their laws, he might not have had a reason other than that they probably won't know unless I tell them. ETA: to answer Maryland_Shooter, I'll have to ask whether or not they can see out of state permits, I have a UT permit too, but I doubt they can tell just based on my computer knowledge and database access requirements. |
| In Kentucky, the CCDW License will show when they run the license plate. I was pulled over one time and the officer asked me if I was carrying my weapon. I told him that I did he asked me where I kept my sidearm. He asked me to step out of the car and he removed it from the car and then returned it to me unloaded with the mag laying on the set. |
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I was stopped at 10am on the Saturday of St. Patrick's day celebrations. A buddy and I were looking scruffy and on our way to the gun shop.
It was a speed trap, I was 10 over. I did as you did (pulled far over in a safe area, put the car in park, turned the engine and radio off, rolled down the windows and put my hands on the wheel, buddy put his hands on his legs) He didn't give me any of the BS "do you know why I pulled you over" just took my DL and came back with a written warning. I was shocked. A warning from a speed trap (there were three other sqads pulling people over)!?! I got $140 lucky. The only difference between me and you? For a MN cop to know I had a Permit To Carry he would have had to call my name and DoB in and specifically asked for that information. |
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I could have let him know I was carrying, but really the reason I didn't is because it's so normal for me now. Back when I first started and was still nervous about it I might have told him immediately. The other thing her uncle told me was that if I get stopped in MO that I should probably tell them if I'm armed. I got the impression that he thinks they're a little more wary across the border. I need to double check their laws, he might not have had a reason other than that they probably won't know unless I tell them. In MO it is the citizen's option whether to voluntarily disclose his armed status or his permit. If asked, he must display the permit. RSMo 571.121 1. Any person issued a concealed carry endorsement pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall carry the concealed carry endorsement at all times the person is carrying a concealed firearm and shall display the concealed carry endorsement upon the request of any peace officer. Failure to comply with this subsection shall not be a criminal offense but the concealed carry endorsement holder may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed thirty-five dollars. The officer will know if you have a Missouri permit if he consults the Missouri uniform law enforcement system (MULES). If you have an out of state permit he probably won't know. RSMo 571.101 8. . . .The sheriff shall report the issuance of a certificate of qualification to the Missouri uniform law enforcement system. . . As for the question "Should you voluntarily disclose?", my instructor said that it's a good idea. I've never actually heard a reason why it's a good idea. In a different thread a while back a few people reported bad experiences with cops who were anti-CCW when they voluntarily disclosed, though it seems to be rare. The way I see it, if a cop doesn't really care then I have nothing to gain by telling him. If a cop is inclined to make a big deal of it, I have nothing to gain by telling him. So until someone gives me a good reason to voluntarily disclose, my policy is to not mention it unless I'm asked to exit the vehicle. I would advise the officer of it at that time because he's likely going to give me a quick pat down as soon as I step out. |
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Quoted: If a LEO can tell you have a CC license by looking at a screen, then you have defacto Gun Registration Lite. They may not know for sure what you have or that you even own a firearm, but they know the odds are great that you do. Of course. We were ranting and raving about that when the CHL laws were being passed. It took me 10 years after it passed to swallow that poison pill and finally get a CHL because honestly, I didn't want to become a convicted felon and lose my rights forever.  |
| At 1:00 am he was probably fishing for someone who was drunk, stoned, or up to no good. When he saw that you were just a regular guy and not casuing any problems he let you go with a warning. That time of night is the only time 10 over will get you so much as a second glance. |
I got pulled over once for suspicion of DUI (which I was not, I swerved to avoid an object in the road). I did however have a bench warrant for not mailing in a citation from a few months prior. When he asked me to step from the vehicle to come back to the squad car for a sobriety test, I politely informed him that I was carrying concealed on my person, and asked him how I should proceed. He just said, "Well don't bring it back to my car!" Nice guy. Even though he took me to jail . He cleared my weapon and locked it in the glove box for me to retrieve when I posted bond.
As my dad told me when I got my drivers license, in regards to dealing with police officers: He's got a gun, he has some authority to use it, and he may be having a bad day. Act accordingly. |
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I know that you are required to notifiy LEO in Louisiana. I can tell you that you got a warning because you were not a shit bag. Most of the tickets that I write are because the violater talked themselves into one. I do appreciate when people tell me that they are armed, but I am cautious of EVERYONE. The PO-lice like kindness like everyone else. Just to add a few things... Most of the time when I stop someone that has a weapon either concealed, or in the vehicle, I normally find out by simply asking. Its been part of my "greeting line" if you will. I'm always polite, and explain that I ask every single person I stop, for safety reasons. The only ones to get pissy are thugs. The CCW program is an added bonus here because when I run the tag I'm stopping, it also runs the D/L and CH of the registered owner. If the Registered Owner has a CCW permit, then I will know before approaching the vehicle. I give the same line as always, and out of 12 years, I have never had a CCW permit holder lie to me (about the weapon). Most of the time, I don't ask for it, because I normally let them go with a warning. Of course DWI/30mph over, ect is different. To me, if a person has a good D/L, CCW permit, and a good attitude, then they probably are good people. A vehicle is an extension of ones home in Louisiana, so its legal to conceal the weapon in the vehicle. Even with that, 99% of people tell me when asked. Most of the weapon arrests I have made are hand in hand with narcotics. I have came up o a few that were convicted felons, as well. I will always take the gun, and place it in evidence in that case. However an arrest may not happen right then. Reason is our law has alot of loop holes, like a person convicted of certain felonys, can after a time limit get a letter from the CLEO to use a firearm for hunting purposes, ect. Most of my dealing were like this. I hate to arrest a 70 year old man returning from hunting for that, then find out later he had a letter, ect. We have alot of discretion in Louisiana, but as always, common sense apples. Other then thugy dopers, the only other notable group that I have made multiple arrests are thugs that ride motorcycles. Most bikers are good people, and super nice, but the thugy ones still exist, and most of them are carrying concealed without a permit. That said, 99% of the ones that CCW withOUT a permit, are felons anyway. Also huge amount of bikers open carry, or conceal it in a sattle bag, which is legal. In My 12 years I have dealt with alot of gun owners, and I would have to say, most of them are really good people, and are completely honest, which on MY traffic stop, normally cuts you major slack. |
| He was also probably looking to see if you were DUI, wants and warrents, or other visible items. If you carry, just like having a hot rod/fast car, always good to have the simple things checked, like headlights, taillights, stickers, etc. so that you won't get stopped for CS things. |
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He was also probably looking to see if you were DUI, wants and warrents, or other visible items. If you carry, just like having a hot rod/fast car, always good to have the simple things checked, like headlights, taillights, stickers, etc. so that you won't get stopped for CS things. I had actually checked all that that same morning when I changed my oil, but yeah, I need to check that stuff more often. |
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When I lived in Texas and had a CHL there, it is mandatory disclosure of whether you are carrying at a traffic stop. My CHL got me out of at least 3 tickets that I can remember while I was in Texas, all around 15 mph over the speed limit, +/-
I'm sure like most other states, to have a CHL, you are not a felon, no crimes of domestic violence, pay your taxes on time, no overdue child support, and generally the top 1% of the populace so far as following laws. The LEOs know this too so unless you are an ass, they cut you some slack. I found that I ended up playing with guns on the side of the road with the officer in 2 of the 3 instances outlined above. -David Edgewood, NM |
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If a LEO can tell you have a CC license by looking at a screen, then you have defacto Gun Registration Lite. They may not know for sure what you have or that you even own a firearm, but they know the odds are great that you do. In MI, we are required to disclose if we are carrying. I have no idea if they can see it on the computer. And we absolutley have handgun registration. It wasn't called that for a long time. It was a 'Safety Inspection', a record of which was amintained by the MSP. The sign at my local PD always said registration. Now they've done away with the safety inspection, but you still have to turn in the paperwork. |
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Quoted: If a LEO can tell you have a CC license by looking at a screen, then you have defacto Gun Registration Lite. I hate to break it to you, but if you applied for a CCW in any state you have effectively registered yourself as a gun owner. Whether it shows the cops immediately upon running your ID is insignificant in the grand scheme of registration and confiscation. |
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If a LEO can tell you have a CC license by looking at a screen, then you have defacto Gun Registration Lite. I hate to break it to you, but if you applied for a CCW in any state you have effectively registered yourself as a gun owner. Whether it shows the cops immediately upon running your ID is insignificant in the grand scheme of registration and confiscation. That and my fingerprints are on file twice for my KS and UT permits. |
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good news, I hope the rest of KS LEO's are that way-hey I can dream!
I think you aced it when you followed the first rule, being polite and cooperative my MIL must've thought i was an alien (outer space kind) when she was in a vehicle that I got pulled over in-pulling a boat and speeding, ended up with a warning |
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At 1:00 am he was probably fishing for someone who was drunk, stoned, or up to no good. When he saw that you were just a regular guy and not casuing any problems he let you go with a warning. That time of night is the only time 10 over will get you so much as a second glance. Yup, that's my take. I think a CCW permit sort of flags you as a good guy. I don't think it can hurt in this situation. But the real issue is that you were sober and didn't look like a scumbag. |
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my MIL must've thought i was an alien (outer space kind) when she was in a vehicle that I got pulled over in-pulling a boat and speeding, ended up with a warning That's the #1 reason why I hate mandatory disclosure laws. If I get stopped while with a relative, friend, coworker, etc. I may not want them to know about it. Of course, if I'm asked to step out of the vehicle they're going to find out, but I shouldn't have to mention it first thing. |
| Remember, there are other reasons for running a speed trap than just speeders. Criminals don't usually pick just one law to break. The trooper may have been looking primarily for stolen cars or drugs. Having a respectful citizen do everything as he would prefer probably let the trooper know there were bigger fish to fry, especially given the extra time it takes to write out and explain a citation. When I ran radar, unless there were complaints in a specific residential neighborhood, I didn't write until you were13 over. |
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In VA, If you run a license check, a CCP will reflect if the driver has one. My wife knows a couple of the cops around here. The local county Sheriffs Office / city Police can see if you have a CCW from your drivers license. The Va State Police can tell if you have a CCW by running your license plate. The state cop highly recommended keeping both hands on the wheel and only dig for your ID, etc when asked for it. |
I was pulled over by the California Highway Patrol in the Mojave Desert. These guys are famous for writing tickets no questions asked. He saw my CCW from Nevada - looked it over carefully as if admiring and then said dont speed thru here again. I got your info , next time its a ticket. Then said enjoy you road trip. I was stopped for going 98mph in a 50mph zone. Oops. He pulled me over from the opposite side of the freeway...flipped a bitch crossed the median - huge dust cloud and then came up to my car- which was already pulled over with the music off and windows down and hands on steering wheel. It was a pleasant experience. Took forever to get back to SF from Las Vegas that trip tho. About 13 hrs going 65 -70 mph. 
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hmm? I did not know that. In will be interested to see comments from LEO's.........Do you guys know an individual has a CCW when you run their license for aa ticket? It will vary from state to state and even county to county. It is not required to be entered in the NCIC/CCIC in Colorado but I know a couple SO's used to not sure if any still do. |