Posted: 2/22/2009 12:37:49 PM EDT
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As long as you wear a Do rag and your Starter jacket you should be okay.  In all seriousness, I wouldn't advise it. Clubs just attract negative attention as I eyewitnessed during what I like to call my "stupid years". I've been in clubs when fights broke out and it was nasty. Some clubs I used to go to overseas it wasn't uncommon to have stabbings. There was even a kidnapping once at a rock bar. All frequented by GI's and often the perps were GI's.
Watch your six wherever you go. Just keep in mind that clubs attract more negative attention then even regular bars. Alcohol and stupidity increase your odds of being in a situation - even if you aren't consuming alcohol. Just being there increases risks. I used to carry a knife but I really have no idea what I would have done being drunk at the time. Most people end up being their own liability. More important then a weapon is the company you keep. Have good solid friends you can trust not to screw you over, start a fight, or be generally ignorant. If you're military as I was - there is an endless supply of juvenile idiots. |
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Can you carry in a club? Movies have bouncers and stuff, but those are the movies... I don't go clubbing, but I'd like to know in the event that I do some time in the near future. Your profile indicates you are from Texas. Do you have a CHL? And what movie have you been to that has a bouncer? |
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Can you carry in a club? Movies have bouncers and stuff, but those are the movies... I don't go clubbing, but I'd like to know in the event that I do some time in the near future. Your profile indicates you are from Texas. Do you have a CHL? And what movie have you been to that has a bouncer? I have a CHL. I was referring to bouncers in movies where the characters would go to clubs or whatnot. I forgot clubs serve alcohol, duh.
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Most of the clubs in our area are in inner city areas. I'd be more concerned about walking to/from the club that actually being inside.
Depending on the club they may screen for weapons at the door. Just for the experience I worked the door at a club my friend was running one night many years ago. I didn't know it when I signed up for it, but that particular night was sponsored by a local hip-hop station so you can imagine the crowd it drew... not the typical college kids the club generally drew. We were instructed to frisk and wand everyone coming in. I had zero experience so it was quite an eye opener for me. Coincidentally a friend of mine got jumped by 4 "locals" in the parking lot in front of the same club about 5 years earlier; he wound up with staples in his head from being kicked. He's lucky he didn't get stabbed or shot. I avoid clubs now a days... I'm too old for that scene now anyhow. 
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Can you carry in a club? Movies have bouncers and stuff, but those are the movies... I don't go clubbing, but I'd like to know in the event that I do some time in the near future. Your profile indicates you are from Texas. Do you have a CHL? And what movie have you been to that has a bouncer? I have a CHL. I was referring to bouncers in movies where the characters would go to clubs or whatnot. I forgot clubs serve alcohol, duh. Well, being in TX and having taken a CHL course, you should know from the course (or at least the little handout on texas carry laws they should have given you) that bars a no-go from a legal standpoint. As referenced above, any business in TX that derives 51% or more of their income from the sale of alcohol for the purpose of on-premises consumption is require to post a standard "51% sign", which bars you entering with a concealed handgun. Further, even if they fail to correctly post the 51% sign, that's no excuse for you. The prosecutor will still say that it was reasonable for you to assume that a nightclub was a 51% establishment, and it falls on your head to not carry there. |
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Your state laws are what matter, as was said above.
FWIW, I was a bouncer several years ago in your typical white suburbia, and we patted down at the door. I never caught anyone with a gun, but we ran across several pocket knives and turned the people away. The funny thing is, we had fights break out all the time. Then we suddenly turned into a hip hop club and the only white people there were the employees, and the owners didn't warn us at all. We kept that format for about a month and a half, with maybe one minor altercation in that time. Our new clientele were completely polite and respectful when asked to obey the rules, and the one time we had to book it to the other side of the club they made a hole for us without being asked, people were telling their friends to move. So don't let the sterotypes of hip hop clubs get you on edge. When we switched back to our old format with our old customers we suddenly had 3 fights a night again with the cops coming up so often we were on a first name basis and we started having armed guards at the door. They bounced one of my paychecks so I quit, and a month later the guy that had started working my spot in the parking lot directing traffic was shot and IIRC killed. Early 20's white kids are more punks than the same age black kids that just want a place to hang out. |
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Can you carry in a club? Movies have bouncers and stuff, but those are the movies... I don't go clubbing, but I'd like to know in the event that I do some time in the near future. Your profile indicates you are from Texas. Do you have a CHL? And what movie have you been to that has a bouncer? I have a CHL. Refer to the 51% rule here |
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Can you carry in a club? Movies have bouncers and stuff, but those are the movies... I don't go clubbing, but I'd like to know in the event that I do some time in the near future. Your profile indicates you are from Texas. Do you have a CHL? And what movie have you been to that has a bouncer? I have a CHL. I was referring to bouncers in movies where the characters would go to clubs or whatnot. I forgot clubs serve alcohol, duh. Well, being in TX and having taken a CHL course, you should know from the course (or at least the little handout on texas carry laws they should have given you) that bars a no-go from a legal standpoint. As referenced above, any business in TX that derives 51% or more of their income from the sale of alcohol for the purpose of on-premises consumption is require to post a standard "51% sign", which bars you entering with a concealed handgun. Further, even if they fail to correctly post the 51% sign, that's no excuse for you. The prosecutor will still say that it was reasonable for you to assume that a nightclub was a 51% establishment, and it falls on your head to not carry there. Yep. In Fact, the law makes no mention of a sign. The lack of a sign is no defense, and you are under no obligation to obey an incorrectly posted sign. |
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Quoted: Not in Texas. If they are a 51% you may not. (51% of profit from the sale of alcohol from on premises consumption) Club rough enough you need to carry..................you really don't need to be there.  I stay away from places that are higher risk, i.e. clubs where drunken retards hang out, but you seem to suggest there are clubs nice enough that you don't have to carry. There is no place in the world that is safe enough not to carry. Laws may force us not to carry in certain places but that does not make them safe. I avoid those places as much as possible. |
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Not in Texas. If they are a 51% you may not. (51% of profit from the sale of alcohol from on premises consumption) Club rough enough you need to carry..................you really don't need to be there. We could use that logic about going anywhere outside your house. |
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I dont go to the club but if I went to the ones here I would make sure to carry regardless, in my area Id be about the only white person there. I dont place myself in positions like that though What does being white have to do with it? Standing out in any situation is a disadvantange from a personal protection stand point. Being the only white guy in a club would tend to make you a lilttle more noticed. Same would be true for a single black guy in a club of all white people. |
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If you are going to be in a situation where you think you HAVE to carry because there is a change of something happening....you probably should not put yourself in that situation. I understand the caution, but isnt the whole point of CCW having a weapon in the off case that you would need it? I get the whole, "if you want a fight, go to a warzone" idea, but I go to local bars and carry. Occassionally a brawl occurs, usually a few brutal cheap shots and then a bunch of pussy posturing until the cops show up, but you never know what will happen next time. I've never been at one of the locals during a fight, but they do happen, and I'm not going to avoid them because of it. Nor would I not leave the house because I might have to use my CCW. |
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In Nevada, it's no different from any other establishment. If they post, then they can trespass you if they catch you with a firearm, but unless they are one of the prohibited locations (.gov property, school, daycare), there are no further restrictions. Nevada does have an intoxication standard for being in possession of a dangerous weapon, which is .10BAC, the former DUI standard, which is .08BAC now. You can be technically too drunk to drive, but OK to CCW in Nevada. Forget Barack Obama. Come to Nevada. Bring your handgun.Spend your $$$.
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really?  It would go something like that. Martial Arts ftw. Or a pocket knife/bar stool/pool cue/beer bottle/bar fly can be used as a weapon if it comes down to it
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really? Being 5'6" and 155lbs may make it easy to move around inside a ship but isn't great for fighting multiple guys a head taller than me and possibly armed while getting mugged. My limited skill in Kung Fu and Judo can only take me so far. Why would I want to settle for a less efficient defense method when a better one is available? I guess we shouldn't be allowed guns for self defense because we should all be capable of doing so without weapons. |
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really? It would go something like that. Martial Arts ftw. Or a pocket knife/bar stool/pool cue/beer bottle/bar fly can be used as a weapon if it comes down to itI'm not too worried about inside the club/bar. It's the walk from the car to the said location that is a concern. |
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Can we stop with the "you need to check your local laws"? It's been said 100 times already, plus the OP is in TEXAS and numerous people in TEXAS have already said NO. As stated a few times now, you can't LEGALLY CCW in Texas in a business who derives 51% of their income from alcohol, whether they have a sign posted or not.
Other than that, from the sounds of it, the OP is going into a club he expects to get into a brawl at. My thinking is he needs to find a better place to hang out at. And if there aren't any, buy a bunch of cheap booze, stay home, turn your stereo up too loud, and don't worry about it. 
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really? Being 5'6" and 155lbs may make it easy to move around inside a ship but isn't great for fighting multiple guys a head taller than me and possibly armed while getting mugged. My limited skill in Kung Fu and Judo can only take me so far. Why would I want to settle for a less efficient defense method when a better one is available? I guess we shouldn't be allowed guns for self defense because we should all be capable of doing so without weapons. Sorry, I didn't know you were going to have to fight those guys. 
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Can we stop with the "you need to check your local laws"? It's been said 100 times already, plus the OP is in TEXAS and numerous people in TEXAS have already said NO. As stated a few times now, you can't LEGALLY CCW in Texas in a business who derives 51% of their income from alcohol, whether they have a sign posted or not. Other than that, from the sounds of it, the OP is going into a club he expects to get into a brawl at. My thinking is he needs to find a better place to hang out at. And if there aren't any, buy a bunch of cheap booze, stay home, turn your stereo up too loud, and don't worry about it. Yes, I understand that I can't carry in a business that serves more than 51% now. That question has been answered. However, the subject has migrated to, "Why would you need to carry in a place like that? Why don't you just avoid those types of places?" which absolutely pisses me off. That is the exact argument that anti's use against those who carry! Why do you guys have your carry licenses? If you never go to any places that are potentially dangerous, then you shouldn't need a gun at all! |
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really? Being 5'6" and 155lbs may make it easy to move around inside a ship but isn't great for fighting multiple guys a head taller than me and possibly armed while getting mugged. My limited skill in Kung Fu and Judo can only take me so far. Why would I want to settle for a less efficient defense method when a better one is available? I guess we shouldn't be allowed guns for self defense because we should all be capable of doing so without weapons. Sorry, I didn't know you were going to have to fight those guys. I take it you've never been outnumbered in force before. |
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really? Being 5'6" and 155lbs may make it easy to move around inside a ship but isn't great for fighting multiple guys a head taller than me and possibly armed while getting mugged. My limited skill in Kung Fu and Judo can only take me so far. Why would I want to settle for a less efficient defense method when a better one is available? I guess we shouldn't be allowed guns for self defense because we should all be capable of doing so without weapons. Sorry, I didn't know you were going to have to fight those guys. I take it you've never been outnumbered in force before. Of course I have. So what? Are you going to be "outnumbered in force" when you go to the bar? If your crystal ball says yes I have an idea; STAY AWAY! Good grief. |
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Alright, I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll be defenseless if I go to a bar or a club in TX. Awesome. The only method or tool of defense you have at your disposal is a gun? Really? Being 5'6" and 155lbs may make it easy to move around inside a ship but isn't great for fighting multiple guys a head taller than me and possibly armed while getting mugged. My limited skill in Kung Fu and Judo can only take me so far. Why would I want to settle for a less efficient defense method when a better one is available? I guess we shouldn't be allowed guns for self defense because we should all be capable of doing so without weapons. Sorry, I didn't know you were going to have to fight those guys. I take it you've never been outnumbered in force before. Of course I have. So what? Are you going to be "outnumbered in force" when you go to the bar? If your crystal ball says yes I have an idea; STAY AWAY! Good grief. Alright, I'll make sure to maintain a safe distance from any location I presume there may be a chance of confrontation. These locations would include my home, my college campus, parking lots, malls, movie theaters, stores, gas stations, public transportation, outside at night time, outside at day time, etc. I'll make sure to fortify my castle and set up a security camera system, as well as strategically lay out weapons and ammo stashes in order to stay safe. I'm a very passive person. I'm not one to start confrontations; I haven't been in a fight since elementary school, but who knows? Shit happens. There have even been shootings in nice suburban neighborhoods in the DFW area (Plano, to name one). You suggest I stay away from the upper middle class neighborhood I grew up in too? I assume you have a CHL? If you do as you preach and stay away from all potentially dangerous areas, then why do you need a CHL? You could never possibly be harmed in a safe area, right? You can't be, because the area is safe... 
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I used to do a lot of my drinking and socializing in bars. Not anymore. The kinds of bitches you meet at the bar aren't worth your efforts to un pant them, and you can drink cheaper at home with your buddies in front of the bigscreen.
I never go unarmed, but I also almost never go to the parts of town that statistically make being armed all the much more prudent. I think Chris Rock said it best when he said,"Don't go to parties with metal detectors. Sure, you might feel safe inside, but what about all those niggas outside with guns? They know you ain't got one." |
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I used to do a lot of my drinking and socializing in bars. Not anymore. The kinds of bitches you meet at the bar aren't worth your efforts to un pant them, and you can drink cheaper at home with your buddies in front of the bigscreen. I never go unarmed, but I also almost never go to the parts of town that statistically make being armed all the much more prudent. I think Chris Rock said it best when he said,"Don't go to parties with metal detectors. Sure, you might feel safe inside, but what about all those niggas outside with guns? They know you ain't got one." agreed. I see what you're trying to get at OP, but I believe the general consensus is: if you feel as though by going to a club, you will be placing yourself at a greater risk of confrontation where you may need to defend yourself (with deadly force as implied with a CHL), why go? I believe it's a matter of priorities, not to mention legality (alcohol and guns). Why are you going to a club? Leisure, entertainment? It's a common sense choice IMO to avoid places and situations where you are inclined to feel as though you will be in danger as you obviously feel by posting this thread. |