Posted: 1/2/2009 1:57:36 PM EDT
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First of all, does anyone Ski/Snowboard? If so, how do you carry during an activity where the chance of falling down is high?
I was thinking a J-frame in the pocket, but it's not hammer-less and I wouldn't want to land on it funny. |
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I personally see no reason to carry while snowboarding. If you choose to I would carry in a good leather holster to prevent yourself from getting too bruised up when you fall.
ETA: Hope I didn't come across as being anti-CCW. I personally feel that everyone should CCW when and wherever they are comfortable as long as they are responsible for their own actions. |
| 5.11 cargo pockets will do the job for your J frame. Snow pant over the top with the zipper down the side so you can access the cargo easily and you won't fall on it like you would in your upper pants pockets. That or you could carry in your inside jacket pocket. Just don't leave your coat anywhere. |
I snowboard but I wouldn't bother carrying a gun while doing it, just like I wouldn't bother to carry while skateboarding (where risk of meeting perps. is higher then snowboarding). In the heavy gloves it'd take too much to get it into action aways. You'd have to slow down, kneel/sit, remove gloves, take out weapon, and then hope that your small weapon is going to be effective vs heavy winter clothing.  By that time the guy could rush you and pummel you.
Also don't forget the potential avalanche risk when you shoot (Depending on where you ride). If I were just cruising that'd be a different story, but I hit every jump/drop possible and try to push my already small limits. |
| I don't snowboard but if I did I would have a gun on me. I'd imagine there is a lot more to snowboarding than going down a slope; driving there, parking, walking in, taking breaks in the lodge, walking back out, driving home. Big parking lots are a great place to have a car broken in to so I wouldn't just leave it in the car. |
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Some of these comments are pretty entertaining... I ended up NOT carrying on my person, but kept it locked in the glove box. Not the safest of things to do, but I've found it necessary in the past and consider it an option. I went to Mad River near Marysville (?). It's not the ideal place to snowboard, but it's convenient.
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Chest holster. http://www.survivalsheath.com/holsters/index.htm |
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I would carry in the backpack your carrying with food,water and extra clothes etc. No need to carry on your hip, as I have bailed pretty ahrd a few times and am glad I didnt have a firearm on my side. This. Going ass over tin cups isn't something I want to do, especially with a firearm. |
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I don't snowboard but if I did I would have a gun on me. I'd imagine there is a lot more to snowboarding than going down a slope; driving there, parking, walking in, taking breaks in the lodge, walking back out, driving home. Big parking lots are a great place to have a car broken in to so I wouldn't just leave it in the car. Your right, there's a lot more involved, but the places I've been has always been more classy/family oriented. I've always snowboarded in Colorado and that type of thing has never been a problem in the areas I've been in... I've seen people leave well over 2000$ worth of snowboards in the back of a pickup truck in a hotel room parking lot for 3 nights straight and it wasn't stolen. (Not that I'd do it though). I guess it really depends on your area of riding. |
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I carry in a backpack. USP tac, CCF suppressor, two 16 round mags, and a 27 round mag on tap in a separate pocket.
I could not think of a good way to carry with any kind of holster. At the speeds I am going down those mountains while skiing, it's akin to being dropped out of a car at maybe 40 mph. God I love skiing. |
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Your right, there's a lot more involved, but the places I've been has always been more classy/family oriented. I've always snowboarded in Colorado and that type of thing has never been a problem in the areas I've been in... I've seen people leave well over 2000$ worth of snowboards in the back of a pickup truck in a hotel room parking lot for 3 nights straight and it wasn't stolen. (Not that I'd do it though). I guess it really depends on your area of riding. I would carry on a sunny golf course and I would carry in a dark alley, there is no distinction between the two in that regard. The point is that the area has little to do with my decision to carry. |
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I cannot think of a good way to carry while snowboarding. Anyway you do it is going to be slow and cumbersome. Gloves or mittens are going to get in the way, as well as your layers of jackets and pants. Falling on a hunk of metal will hurt, it will hurt worse if you ride in the midwest (we never have powder, only ice.) Any attempt to carry your firearm in an accesable manner will result in it being suceptible to the snow/ice and also to being lost.
What is the operating temp for kydex before it begins to easily crack? I think a modified holster mounted on or above your boot if you have zip-up legged snow pants would be the best bet. You wouldn't be prone to injury, it would be sheilded from the weather, but "somewhat" easy to get to. Since you will have to crouch down, you can unstrap one (or both of your feet) to achive a more stable shooting position. Snowboards are fast, stop sitting at the top of the run smoking bowls and you can just fly down the mountain to avoid trouble. |
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I don't recommend carrying on your hip. I didn't want to leave my pistol in the car, so I just put my snowboard pants on over my regular pants, leaving my pistol IWB. Both times I had to quit early cause it badly screwed with my lower back. I switched to leaving the pistol in the car.
I haven't tried either, but a shoulder or chest rig sounds the best, though concealing it seems rather difficult. |
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You know I am all for CCW but in a place like this?? really??. What do you think you are really going to run into. I mean I guess at night there is a possibility of running into something on the way to your car but you can take a bag in with you for that right??. I just can't see the need for carrying while actually on the slopes. I guess tough, anything can happen but if there is a situation how many people are going to see it go down??. To each his own I guess but i would think a ski slope is a pretty saf place to be there is a point where self-protection turns to paranoia. |
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You know I am all for CCW but in a place like this?? really??. What do you think you are really going to run into. I mean I guess at night there is a possibility of running into something on the way to your car but you can take a bag in with you for that right??. I just can't see the need for carrying while actually on the slopes. I guess tough, anything can happen but if there is a situation how many people are going to see it go down??. To each his own I guess but i would think a ski slope is a pretty saf place to be there is a point where self-protection turns to paranoia. You're right... From now on, I'll only carry in places/situations that I KNOW I'll have to use it. Oh, and I'll make sure everyone can 'see it go down'. Such wisdom! |
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Personally, I don't envision being robbed or anything like that while skiing. But because I try to think in terms of what COULD happen instead of what has happened in the past, my imagination comes up with some bad stuff.
In the ski resort example, you can classify it as a large group of typically unarmed people in a place that can be difficult to get emergency help to. Think of it like a smaller Disney World without the security, and in a secluded and difficult position to get to. In my opinion, that would make it an ideal spot for any kind of pre-planned rampage by a maniac or two like a Virginia Tech or a 9-11. A kind of situation like that at the bottom of a ski slope or in the MIDDLE of a well populated slope can make for a terrifying scenario. What are the odds of it happening? Very slim, of course. If you want to make it easy on yourself, I just hate leaving a gun in the car or the hotel room, and I will bring a sidearm on vacation if law permits it. |
LOL, do a google search for SKI + RESORT + ASSAULT and see for yourself just how safe ski resorts are. 
Ski resort GM killed by gunman (apparently he was trying to kill "non-Christian" co-workers): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474925,00.html Another ski resort shooting murder: http://scottvalentine.blog.ca/2007/03/13/b_c_ski_resort_shaken_by_fatal_shooting~1899385 Ski resort sexual assaults (breaking into their rooms): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090106.NATS06N-4/TPStory/National Man caught ransacking car (don't leave guns in cars please): http://www.barrieadvance.com/barrieadvance/article/125451 Another sexual assault: http://www.wjactv.com/news/18390618/detail.html There are tons more. |
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Thank you. Just to make it clear, if there is a situation where I have reason to believe that 'trouble' may occur, I AVOID the situation. I don't carry to be Billy Badass as some may, I carry for the UNEXPECTED/UNANTICIPATED situations that MAY arise.
ETA: Oh, and Lumpy could you grace us with some clarification of your post? |
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There have been numerous incidents at ski areas over the years. I do think however the need to have the gun at the ready the whole day riding may be overkill and difficult. A sealed pocket in a parka or pack while riding and then transition to a more accessable pocket/position when going to and from the vehicle/lodge etc. I know a ski patroller (now retired) that carried in shoulder holster always. He was working around explosives and had to be the on-mountain risk management officer as well. Regardless , it beats leaving it in the car. When I backcountry ski in the spring I always carry in a backpack waist belt mounted holster for a G23.
-JC |
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this topic and the pool topic cracks me up
without me first going and telling you how stupid it is to carry it on you while snowboarding...oh shit I just did....anyways I digress.... Those of you saying chest holster have obviously never mackaral slapped while snowboarding before. The last thing I'd want is a gun right over my sternum, catch an edge, and land on the gun probably cracking/brusing the bone. shoulder holsters may seem like a good idea too, but I've taken some pretty hard hits while snowboarding, enough to know that I don't want anything hard anywhere near my ribs or chest. my solution, because I don't like to leave it in the car, is to put the gun in my pack. I take the round out of the chamber, put it back into the mag, and wrap the gun up in my change of clothes/extra layers for added protection from hits. I don't expect that I'll ever need my gun while at the resort...unless crazed Russians or Islamic terrorists want to go skiing/riding....but we know the last one won't happen.....hadji don't surf!!! 
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A reasonable number of right-handed snowboarders rupture their spleens in severe falls. If I snowboard anything like I ski, falls are a frequent event. The idea of carrying a pistol near the ribcage or abdominal organs (i.e. shoulder holster, 5.11 shirt) and falling on that metal repeatedly does not appeal to me.
I don't usually favor off-body carry, but would consider it in this case. Maybe one of those Camelbak hydration/CCW bags would work better in this instance. |
| Another idea is carry in your cargo pocket (most snowpants have them). I've taken quite a few spills on a snowboard, but due to the nose/tail I've found the cargo pocket area doesn't take too much impact. You could always put an extra beanie hat in between the gun and your leg for padding. |
| Who says you have to carry a Deagle in all situations. If you're having trouble packing a larger gun, opt for a smaller gun instead of no gun at all. As much as I'd hate to carry a P3AT as a primary it'd be better than nothing and it is smaller than a lot of cell phones... |
I read this post and this was the look on my face...
Snowboarding and carrying a gun? I mean I know to always be prepared but where the hell are you riding that you would think it would be necessary to carry a gun? Carry a thing of pepper spray or a small knife with a lock on the blade but not a gun. I swear man atleast once a week I read a post on one of the forums that honestly blows my mind... |
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I read this post and this was the look on my face...
Snowboarding and carrying a gun? I mean I know to always be prepared but where the hell are you riding that you would think it would be necessary to carry a gun? Carry a thing of pepper spray or a small knife with a lock on the blade but not a gun. I swear man atleast once a week I read a post on one of the forums that honestly blows my mind... ok. 
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I read this post and this was the look on my face...
Snowboarding and carrying a gun? I mean I know to always be prepared but where the hell are you riding that you would think it would be necessary to carry a gun? Carry a thing of pepper spray or a small knife with a lock on the blade but not a gun. I swear man atleast once a week I read a post on one of the forums that honestly blows my mind... I wish I had your ability to know exactly when and where lives would be in danger. |
who doesn't snowboard? 
having been injured on the slopes from accidents, the chest was the place where I got the most damage. I'd say if your really wanted to pack, then in a pack (back or fanny) would be best, in the waistband is kinda awkward imho and a chest rig or shirt invites bigger problems as I eluded to already. I personally don't carry on the slopes and don't leave valuables in the car. typically the only thievery going on is the resort for the cost of food/beverages. |
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I read this post and this was the look on my face...
Snowboarding and carrying a gun? I mean I know to always be prepared but where the hell are you riding that you would think it would be necessary to carry a gun? Carry a thing of pepper spray or a small knife with a lock on the blade but not a gun. I swear man atleast once a week I read a post on one of the forums that honestly blows my mind... lol, what kind of deadly attack do you figure you will be able to repel with pepper spray and a folding knife? Click some of the links I posted above; ski slopes aren't the serene utopia many of you seem to think. Just several weeks ago there was an active shooter who killed the manager of a resort and planned to kill more but was stopped by a police officer. I'll bet that officer is glad he didn't just have pepper spray and a folding knife... |