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Posted: 5/9/2017 4:58:23 PM EDT
Just thought I'd throw it out there.  That issue and the previous month also has the benefit of Stukas87 article on SOPMOD M4's.  


Couple of things he said I found interesting.  I liked his carry gun options.
Link Posted: 5/10/2017 10:12:58 AM EDT
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Link?  Not all of us subscribe to magazine subscriptions.
Link Posted: 5/10/2017 1:39:01 PM EDT
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I don't subscribe either.  I picked it up at the Grocery store because of the SOPMOD article.  I have no clue if it's available on the net.
Link Posted: 5/10/2017 3:31:20 PM EDT
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With the advent of the internet, I don't think I've bought a gun magazine in almost 20 years.
Link Posted: 5/11/2017 4:03:32 PM EDT
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I couldn't find it online from a short google search....   So.....
Link Posted: 5/11/2017 10:22:39 PM EDT
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The internet has all but killed the newspaper and magazine industry.

Give us a tl;dr on it, OP.
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 10:33:34 AM EDT
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I was thinking about that the other day.  With everything floating around on the net, there's no need to buy gun magazines anymore.
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 12:49:48 PM EDT
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Cliff notes, I just re-read the article.

1: Carry for the right reasons.
2: Understand the law and where you can legally carry or not.
3: Lifestyle changers, changing the way one dresses to enhance concealment.
4: Holster selection, IWB or OWB or fanny pack.
3: Revolvers or Auto personal choice.
4: Train with your carry piece. Amusing anecdote about a guy who brought a PPK/S to a class and was denied using it and given a G19. Did ok in the class then asked to try his PPK/S EDC that had never been shot. Gun would not function, had been carried for 15 years and just froze up.

RIP Pat
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Agreed.  

One of the standout points is he is not a proponent of DA/SA.  He said to avoid them like the plague.  His reasoning was that shooting them requires 2 different grips.  It's funny how strong opinions people in the know can have.  I don't really agree with him, but I'm nobody with no experience other than shooting some animals.  Which I've never done with a DA/SA gun.  

He also lumped Striker fired guns in the same category as single action.  Which I don't really disagree with.  Technically speaking maybe you can argue with that.  But I think generally speaking, that makes sense.  My HiPower take up is a heck of a lot longer than a 1911.  Not quite as long as a striker fired gun. And I know, some of them are actually cocking the striker a hair.  Not all though.  


Also, I'm always in tune with what people in the know say about revolvers.  Because I carry one most of the time.  He said he never felt undergunned with a Ruger Security Six and a j frame as a back up.  NYPD days.  But his pro and con list of revolver vs auto definitely showed more pros for Autos and more cons for revolvers.  

I liked his choices in guns.  There was no Glock present but the gun he gave the guy with the PPK was a G19.  So I don't think he's against them either.  But definitely didn't read major Glock proponent.
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 1:55:51 PM EDT
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Agreed.  

One of the standout points is he is not a proponent of DA/SA.  He said to avoid them like the plague.  His reasoning was that shooting them requires 2 different grips.  It's funny how strong opinions people in the know can have.  I don't really agree with him, but I'm nobody with no experience other than shooting some animals.  Which I've never done with a DA/SA gun.  

He also lumped Striker fired guns in the same category as single action.  Which I don't really disagree with.  Technically speaking maybe you can argue with that.  But I think generally speaking, that makes sense.  My HiPower take up is a heck of a lot longer than a 1911.  Not quite as long as a striker fired gun. And I know, some of them are actually cocking the striker a hair.  Not all though.  


Also, I'm always in tune with what people in the know say about revolvers.  Because I carry one most of the time.  He said he never felt undergunned with a Ruger Security Six and a j frame as a back up.  NYPD days.  But his pro and con list of revolver vs auto definitely showed more pros for Autos and more cons for revolvers.  

I liked his choices in guns.  There was no Glock present but the gun he gave the guy with the PPK was a G19.  So I don't think he's against them either.  But definitely didn't read major Glock proponent.
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I believe Pat was an M&P fan. 
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 3:06:10 PM EDT
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That was the only polymer gun pictured in his collection.
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 3:45:02 PM EDT
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I still pick up Swat magazine, Book of the AR15, Firearms News (when I can find it ), and the occasional Recoil magazine( mostly for the gun porn and gear reviews).

Swat Magazine has some of the better unbiased gun articles I've come across, it's worth havng a hard copy on hand for future reference to me.

Print will never entirely die, it's just to convenient at times to have a hard copy in hand. Especially serious journals on specific subjects, tech manuals, etc.

Millenials sure do want to see it's demise though.
Link Posted: 5/12/2017 11:03:47 PM EDT
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Never heard of 2 different grips with a da/sa gun.

Wonder who tought him that or how he came to that conclusion himself.
Link Posted: 5/13/2017 5:20:32 PM EDT
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I think the traditional way of looking at pulling a double action pistol or revolver is that it requires you to keep your right thumb low to get the needed strength and control to do it well.  I don't really feel that is the case with my M9.  But mine is broke in pretty good.  I'm getting ready to put a D spring in a brand new one I have that is my Dad's.  And I'm guessing it will have a similar feel to my well broken in DA trigger on mine.  

I do find that shooting revolvers with that right thumb low and the left thumb over the top of it is the way to go.  But my 442's trigger is pretty darned heavy.  It's getting better with time though.
Link Posted: 5/15/2017 11:48:20 AM EDT
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My own personal experience with double actions is that I have to work if I want to avoid pulling the trigger 2 different ways.  The first trigger pull reqires the trigger finger to be a certain distance forward to get enough leverage on the trigger to pull through the action. Then  after the first cycle the  trigger is now short for how the finger was in the first place. If my grip remains the same after the first shot the trigger now rests partly on my second finger pad. It will still shoot, but it's weird. It isn't how I would intentionally shoot a single action auto.
Link Posted: 5/15/2017 4:13:06 PM EDT
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Yeah, I get that.  It might have to do with the type of gun.  On my M9 I can only get the first pad to maybe right up to the first joint when I start pulling the trigger, and then it ends up in the first joint.  I might typically use the first pad on a single action pistol, but at that point, pulling the single action in the first joint is not really a problem.  But that's the only DA/SA pistol I have experience with.  

With Glocks there is a very limited place my finger ends up because it's so small in the trigger guard.  And it's always on the first pad.  With 1911's I always chose to use the first pad, but the triggers were typically good enough it doesn't seem like it would matter.  Lately with my HiPower I'm using the first joint because of how curved the trigger is.  


To me they're all different in that you adjust.  But one the M9 I don't feel like I have to change my overall grip one bit between the two different pulls.  Which is why I don't really agree with him.  But he's the man, so.......  

Personally, I kind of like DA guns.  It has a felt perception of safety to me, even though it makes accuracy at longer ranges a bit more, difficult.  Depending on the gun.  I'm not really against DAO pistols, but there are so few of them now that I've never had the opportunity to own one.  I've thought about getting a Gen III Smith pistol.  But we'll see.  Might be my next type of gun.   I've thought about the Sig P224 at times.
Link Posted: 5/16/2017 2:06:49 AM EDT
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On DA/SA guns it depends on the gun.

A Beretta 92 is a little tough for me in double.

My CZ is effortless either way.

It's another option. It either works for you or it don't.
Link Posted: 5/16/2017 2:15:08 PM EDT
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Yeah I get that.  I just find it interesting how there is such a diversity of opinions on guys that know what they're doing.   And how strong these stances can be.  I don't want to refute Pat Rogers.  But at the same time, there are guys that have used the M9 to put holes in people and they worked.   I'm not so sure about any other DA/SA gun but I'm assuming a P38 has probably claimed a few lives.  To me it's that whole thing it's got more to do with practicing with what you got.
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