[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How do most guns fall out? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/31/2013 9:38:33 AM EDT
| I was just wondering, I have read a lot of threads about how guns fall out of holsters on to the ground, or cause a nd, or arrest of any of the given situations. Basically if you have a good holster and belt what or do not, what is it that causes guns to fall out of holsters? |
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"Fall out" is code word for "was messing with it and dropped it" I expect most of the time. I have some crappy holsters I use around the house, and none of them have ever come close to letting a pistol "fall out" unless I was doing something dumb. My good holsters, I can jump up and down and the gun stays put.
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Yeah, I got a cheap bianchi holster that's made for small size revolvers and it pushes my DS out. It's just too small. Even though it says it's for Colt DS's. I never used it (carried with it). I suppose I could try and put some oil on it, put a plastic bag around my DS and let it sit in there for a while. But the design is cheap and it just isn't worth all the effort.
On the other hand, I use a cheap uncle mike's sidekick and it works just fine. But it's deeper. So.... holster are holsters, some work, some don't. I'm sure quality/ price usually has something to do with it. |
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I 'had a pistol and holster drop out just the other day I was in my house but it did happen.
the holster is an uncle mikes made for the Pistol (glock 19) my problem was that I was wearing a holster with a 1.5 clip and I was wearing a 1.75 belt. won't happen again. |
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Crap holsters, crap belts and people finger fucking their bang sticks in bublic This. A good holster and a holster made specifically for your gun makes a world of difference. If in a good holster, it shouldn't come out unless you take it out. Don't play with your gun in public and it won't happen. Playing with your gun in public = playing with your dick in public. You can do both, but doing so is frowned upon in public and can get you arrested. |
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Actually I can attest to having a gun fall out once.
I had a S&W 30-1 in a generic holster. It was just above my buttocks ad I jogged to cross a street, and my my ass threw it out of the loose holster. Gun landed in the grass. No one saw it so I just put it back. Fact is it was not the proper holster and I should've put my hand over it to prevent this. Good belt Good holster No problems Careless stupidity such as mine should be a lesson to buy a holster MADE FOR YOUR GUN Do that, and it won't happen. |
| Beats me. I've tried some really cheap holsters and not had an issue. I can only guess that trying to stuff a gun into one that's just not a good fit, or one that doesn't have any vertical stability (and has the muzzle hanging way out) could be an issue though. |
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Cheap, aka universal holsters, without active retention, as found in many IWB versions and all slide type holsters. The IWBs usually do ok if you cinch your belt tight, but a good run will have some guns working their way up. Not clipping the strap or thumbreak on a unversal allows the gun to come out as well.
Buy good shit, with some sort of built in automatic retention, friction/molded or otherwise, if you intend to carry it daily, and made for the firearm you carry in it no matter what. |
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Never been an issue with a quality holster. Only real issue I ever experienced in public was with a 'Clipdraw' on a J-frame. Nearly lost the gun to the floor but managed to trap it. With good IWB I've run around, crawled around in the crawlspace doing plumbing work, done normal yard work ect and the pistol never shifted at all.
Buy a name brand holster made for your specific pistol, use a quality Gun belt and you won't have to be concerned. |
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"Slide" type holsters where the barrel sticks out of the holster - when you sit down it can push the barrel up and out of the holster. I've carried every size Glock from a G34 to G26 in a MTAC slide for years, and I carry the ones that "stick out" the overwhelming majority of the time. This has never happened one single time. A properly designed holster will not do this. |
| Buy a quality holster and the gun won't ever fall out of it. You should be able to flip the holster upside down and the gun should not fall out of it. Most the time you hear about a gun falling onto the ground or causing a ND is because they weren't using any kind of holster at all. |
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Buy a quality holster and the gun won't ever fall out of it. You should be able to flip the holster upside down and the gun should not fall out of it. Most the time you hear about a gun falling onto the ground or causing a ND is because they weren't using any kind of holster at all. A quality leather IWB will usually offer no retention when the holster is not sandwiched between you and the belt. The holster is designed to pinch the gun in place with the belt, and will offer good retention when actually worn correctly. So, you can hang upside down with the holstered pistol just fine, but don't expect most leather IWBs to hold the pistol in upside down when not worn. Now, a Kydex IWB should be able to hold the pistol in, even upside down. |
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I was in a Home Depot a few years ago and a guy on my isle lost a Ruger LCP down his pants as he was in stride and actually KICKED the pistol off the top of his foot as it reached the bottom of his pants...thus kicking the pistol about 20 yards down the isle..
Stopped right in front of me and we all just looked at each other as he ran up to it, picked it up and pocketed it, and ran out of the store... I think that was a case of NO holster.....but I only saw what I described.. |
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Buy a quality holster and the gun won't ever fall out of it. You should be able to flip the holster upside down and the gun should not fall out of it. Most the time you hear about a gun falling onto the ground or causing a ND is because they weren't using any kind of holster at all. A quality leather IWB will usually offer no retention when the holster is not sandwiched between you and the belt. The holster is designed to pinch the gun in place with the belt, and will offer good retention when actually worn correctly. So, you can hang upside down with the holstered pistol just fine, but don't expect most leather IWBs to hold the pistol in upside down when not worn. Now, a Kydex IWB should be able to hold the pistol in, even upside down. NO. All of my leather IWB rigs fit so that the gun "snaps" in to place. They will iwthstand being held upside down and shook. |
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That's why I said "usually" and "most."
My experience with Milt Sparks Summer Special and Summer Special 2, Versa-Max 2, and EPS SS2 clone supports my statement. I know some leather holsters that are boned to show more detail will hold a pistol in upside down. But that kind of boning is actually a marketing gimmick, as it makes the holster less stable when worn and the "feature" of holding the pistol upside down is useless, because when worn even a plain, unboned holster will hold the pistol just as well. Hybrid holsters such as the Comp-Tac MTAC will usually hold the pistol upside down because the kydex is molded to the pistol. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Can't get enough retention on my IWB. Retention on an IWB holster is different from an OWB holster. When you receive your IWB holster, do not put your gun in it and turn the holster upside down. If you do, the gun will probably fall out of the holster. The design of our IWB holsters is set up so that part of the retention is provided by your pants and belt. Please keep that in mind as you adjust the tension on your holster. http://www.comp-tac.com/faq.php#19 Mine are always fairly tight to start, but lots of my customers stretch them quite a bit, as it speeds the draw and your belt will provide sufficient tension to keep the gun from falling out during normal use. Your belt will provide a surprising amount of additional retention. www.5shotleather.com Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Buy a quality holster and the gun won't ever fall out of it. You should be able to flip the holster upside down and the gun should not fall out of it. Most the time you hear about a gun falling onto the ground or causing a ND is because they weren't using any kind of holster at all. A quality leather IWB will usually offer no retention when the holster is not sandwiched between you and the belt. The holster is designed to pinch the gun in place with the belt, and will offer good retention when actually worn correctly. So, you can hang upside down with the holstered pistol just fine, but don't expect most leather IWBs to hold the pistol in upside down when not worn. Now, a Kydex IWB should be able to hold the pistol in, even upside down. Wrong. I can hold my 1911 in my milt spark summer special 2 upside down and shake it, will not fall out. |
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Guns don't fall out of good holsters. this. has never happened to me. I run, bike, perform lawn care, kayak, hunt, fish, climb, hike, ride horses, and have never even come close to losing my gun. Quality kydex from any of the usual suspects is GTG. I should also point out that I never, and I mean NEVER, finger fuck my pistol. Practice time is practice time. Carry time is carry time. Dipshits. 
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My Milt Sparks VM2 holds my loaded G26 loaded, upside down no problem when I'm not wearing it.
I have had a gun fall out of a pocket once. But it wasn't in a holster. I was vaulting over a low wall and it was in a shallow coat pocket. I was only carrying into a building though and not carrying it that way all day. It was a situation where I wanted it with me briefly and then it was going back into my day pack that has a holster mounted in it. The fall dinged it pretty good too  My fault, stupid move.
Otherwise, as others have said, a quality rig will not allow a gun to just pop out of it. Cheers! -JC |
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I 'had a pistol and holster drop out just the other day I was in my house but it did happen. the holster is an uncle mikes made for the Pistol (glock 19) my problem was that I was wearing a holster with a 1.5 clip and I was wearing a 1.75 belt. won't happen again.
There's your problem. |
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As others have said
Combination of factors Bad holster Inattentive person carrying Regarding NDs I would think that a lot of these are when a gun falls and a person makes an instinctual reaction trying to catch the gun. Rule of thumb if the gun falls or you drop it LET IT FALL a good gun in working condition won't go off if dropped |
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There are many who will spend hundreds of dollars on a handgun and cheap out on the support equipment, let alone training and practice.
Well designed and manufactured leather is more than worth the investment, but many are too ignorant, stubborn or cheap to pay for adequate gear. |
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Buy a quality holster and the gun won't ever fall out of it. You should be able to flip the holster upside down and the gun should not fall out of it. Most the time you hear about a gun falling onto the ground or causing a ND is because they weren't using any kind of holster at all. A quality leather IWB will usually offer no retention when the holster is not sandwiched between you and the belt. The holster is designed to pinch the gun in place with the belt, and will offer good retention when actually worn correctly. So, you can hang upside down with the holstered pistol just fine, but don't expect most leather IWBs to hold the pistol in upside down when not worn. Now, a Kydex IWB should be able to hold the pistol in, even upside down. Kydex is not invincible. I managed to break my c-tac around the retention points while wearing it empty. I was not allowed to carry at work. Found out the hard way that there was no retention left. Was horsing around on the floor with my son and the gun fell out. It ended quickly and safely but jolted my perspective on retention. Trust but verify. Repeatedly. |
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There are many who will spend hundreds of dollars on a handgun and cheap out on the support equipment, let alone training and practice. Well designed and manufactured leather is more than worth the investment, but many are too ignorant, stubborn or cheap to pay for adequate gear. I shoot in a beginners league, and this was my experience. seemed there where 2-3 of the 10 or so that had holsters custom build for our guns. Now a few had serpa paddles, but when talked to they stated they weren't the holster they used if they where concealed. I was able to run, and wrestle the night we did "stress" shoot with both my iwb and owb without my gun falling out, other weren't so lucky |
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Gravity. 
Combined with careless handling, shitty holster, not using thumb break or other retention device. Carelessness yes, thumb breaks aren't required to carry a gun safely. I have a CTAC and it holds my gun securely, even playing with my boys at the playground, upsidecdown and all. Quality support, attentiveness and not dicking with it is all you got to do. |
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J-Frame in a pocket holster.....it's fine for walking around, but too slick for my liking. I think it's called a nemesis 2.
I had it in the wallet pocket of a jacket I was wearing (left breast pocket), and I took the jacket off to hang it on the chair I was sitting at. I had the jacket bunched up in my hands about to hang it when I felt the pistol on the right side of the jacket. It had fallen out and was just loose in the jacket. Pretty scary situation. Use something with good retention and this won't happen. I'm currently looking for a new holster for my j-frame...... |
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I'm currently looking for a new holster for my j-frame...... I have really been liking my FIST K-1 ultra-thin kydex. Cheers! -JC |
My old faithful holder my 1911 pretty well at approx 3:30, unless I lay on the floor on my stomach. Combination of the heavy gun, forward cant, and a shit belt let it slide right out every time. I know I need a better belt  I can also feel the gun jumping up a little bit if I have to run at all.
Edit: to clarify I love the holster, I attribute these flaws to my cheap belt. |