Posted: 11/3/2012 9:20:06 PM EDT
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I recently received an Old Faithful Holster in the mail and I put it together, it looks great. I tried it on at 4 o'clock and 5 o'clock. it's much more concealable at my 5 o'clock, but it prints really bad from the back and the side. Any other ways or pointers you use to conceal that have holsters with this kind of style? I know it would be more easily concealed with a jacket on or what not, but living in Texas,, I can't wear a jacket out, it's way too hot.
EDIT: Firearm: Glock 19/23 Holster: Old Faithful Hip Height: 5'10 Weight: 190# This is what it looks like it. It's pretty obvious I'm carrying. 
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! After I get this settled, I'll post up a review on it! |
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I would wear a slightly looser shirt. I have a cross breed delux that I carry at the 5 o'clock with a m&p9c with both compact and full size mags an the only printing issues I have stem from shirts that are too tight or too short. I definitely couldn't wear a tighter belt, that's the tightest hole I could fit it on before getting an aneurysm. 
Any baggier shirt, I'll look like a gangster! 
I'm 5'10, muscle build, 190 lbs, That's a Large on me right now, I guess I'll try on an XL and hope it should solve my problem. |
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How the fuck did you quote him before he posted?? You a wizard or sum? Methinks it's because of the shift from DST. Arfcom acts funny on this date. My suggestion would be to lower the holster by moving the belt clips up. do you have a REAL gun belt, or a regular dress belt? A real gun belt distributes the weight of the gun ALL the way around your waist; a dress belt won't do this. A REAL gun belt is much thicker and stiffer than a dress belt. ETA You can see from this belt, by Concealed Clothiers, that it is lots thicker. 
Some belts also have a plastic stiffener sandwiched between two pieces of leather. |
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I'm 6'4" and 180 so it's hard for me to not print. Also the other guy is right about the belt. Hike your pants just a little higher so the gun will be closer to the small of your back instead of on your cheek. That's what almost looks to be causing the butt of the gun to be poking out and printing. Also try sliding it a little closer to 5. Right now it looks like its about 4o'clock.
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How the fuck did you quote him before he posted?? You a wizard or sum? My suggestion would be to lower the holster by moving the belt clips up. I wasn't wearing my tinfoil hat and he read my brainwaves. |
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How the fuck did you quote him before he posted?? You a wizard or sum? LOL I saw that too after I posted it, I was like... DAFUQ?! My suggestion would be to lower the holster by moving the belt clips up. I'll try this, but one more quick question. Do you think it'd be better if I put the rear clip in the highest setting, but front clip on the lowest setting, that way it would have an extreme forward cant? |
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do you have a REAL gun belt, or a regular dress belt? A real gun belt distributes the weight of the gun ALL the way around your waist; a dress belt won't do this. A REAL gun belt is much thicker and stiffer than a dress belt. Yeah, that one is a dress belt. I've heard about Amish, Beltman, Wilderness, etc. I don't want to order online, only because their sizes could differ. I prefer to try the belt on rather than to order online. I tried doing the whole "wear your old belt, measure from the beginning of the belt to the hole used mostly, and add 1-2 sizes up, and that'll be the belt to order". I tried that with 3 different old belts that i have, and I got 3 different sizes for each belt... So... To be on the safe side, I'll try some on at those outdoor sports stores like Academy or Beltman; does anyone know if they hold good belts there? Quoted:
Hike your pants just a little higher so the gun will be closer to the small of your back instead of on your cheek. That's what almost looks to be causing the butt of the gun to be poking out and printing. Also try sliding it a little closer to 5. Right now it looks like its about 4o'clock. Will do jethro! Thanks man. |
| Looser shirt would help your cause a lot. If concealment is your top priority a quality holster and belt are mandatory. I use a Raven Phantom with a Ares Gear Ranger belt and even OWB it conceals a metric shit ton better than that. Can you post up the holster and belt? |
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Looser shirt would help your cause a lot. If concealment is your top priority a quality holster and belt are mandatory. I use a Raven Phantom with a Ares Gear Ranger belt and even OWB it conceals a metric shit ton better than that. Can you post up the holster and belt? Right now it's a dress belt. I haven't had the time to go to academy/gander mountain to shop for one. I've been working everyday the last 4 days ever since the holster came into the mail. But I'll do what I can do when I get the chance! That's kind of a bummer, I'm so used to wearing snug shirts, I fit Larges pretty snug in the arm and chest area, this shirt is quite bigger than what I'm used to wearing. But maybe if I wear an under shirt, it'll help conceal it some more, on top of changing the cant and ride height |
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Upsize a 100% cotton[not white] SL button work shirt and wear uptucked. I get mine, denim,.at the farm store [TSC] on sale for $9.99. If I wear a gray t-shirt, it's unbuttoned, I carry at 3 o'clock.
Will do IWB with SuperTuck[1911] or F.I.S.T. [26] with oversize non-white cotton t-shirt. I ainl;t got the body for Under Armor shirts..never did. Best. |
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How the fuck did you quote him before he posted?? You a wizard or sum? LOL I saw that too after I posted it, I was like... DAFUQ?! My suggestion would be to lower the holster by moving the belt clips up. I'll try this, but one more quick question. Do you think it'd be better if I put the rear clip in the highest setting, but front clip on the lowest setting, that way it would have an extreme forward cant? Try that too... It takes a little trial and error but when you get it right the gun disappears and you can hardly feel it on your hip. |
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Lower the holster and adjust your angle. Also, try wearing an undershirt, even just a tank tup and tucking it in around the gun. That way your outer shirt doest cling to the gun so easily and it doesn't export the shape. And you look to be wearing closer to 3-4 o clock. 430-5 is much easier, and more comfortable. 3-4 is always to hardest.
When it if just over your buttocks, the tightness of the holster should hold it pressed against the dip in your back at an angle. I wear mine fairly high, but i prefer it more behind me than beside me. And I have the old faithful too, so I like the height about mid range. |
| That use to happen to me until I got a real gun belt from Blackhawk. Since wearing the gun belt it holds the holster closer to my body. The cool thing about the gun belts are they are so stiff they hold my pants open for quick get away's. It really comes in handy when visiting my girlfriend house when her boyfriend shows up. Ha ha, "Got to love it." |
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Aker Leather should be the belt you're looking for. They offer a HUGE variety of styles in both black and brown.
As for the printing, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Think about it: I wouldn't even think "there's a gun" if I wasn't looking at those pictures trying to find a gun. Most people aren't walking around a supermarket with anticipation of people trying to conceal a weapon. I conceal carry in a t-shirt all the time and I know I probably print like that on occasion. It happens. |
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Lower the holster and adjust your angle. Also, try wearing an undershirt, even just a tank tup and tucking it in around the gun. That way your outer shirt doest cling to the gun so easily and it doesn't export the shape. And you look to be wearing closer to 3-4 o clock. 430-5 is much easier, and more comfortable. 3-4 is always to hardest. When it if just over your buttocks, the tightness of the holster should hold it pressed against the dip in your back at an angle. I wear mine fairly high, but i prefer it more behind me than beside me. And I have the old faithful too, so I like the height about mid range. So at 5 o clock, the back clip of the holster should actually meet at the very back/middle belt loop hole and front clip of the holster should meet the side belt loop hole, where the gun actually sits above the right back pocket? I could've sworn that's where it felt, but I guess I just gotta stretch some more, it already felt like sort of a stretch trying to unholster from that position. haha. Quoted:
That use to happen to me until I got a real gun belt from Blackhawk. Since wearing the gun belt it holds the holster closer to my body. The cool thing about the gun belts are they are so stiff they hold my pants open for quick get away's. It really comes in handy when visiting my girlfriend house when her boyfriend shows up. Ha ha, "Got to love it." Quoted:
Aker Leather should be the belt you're looking for. They offer a HUGE variety of styles in both black and brown. As for the printing, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Think about it: I wouldn't even think "there's a gun" if I wasn't looking at those pictures trying to find a gun. Most people aren't walking around a supermarket with anticipation of people trying to conceal a weapon. I conceal carry in a t-shirt all the time and I know I probably print like that on occasion. It happens. True that... I guess I'm like everyone else when they first conceal and do their Wally Walk, every assumes that the whole world can see the gun printing.
I saw those, lots of people have blackhawk belts, i might give those a try. What do you guys think about these belts? Same type of belt that TheBeltMan makes, dual layer, but half the price, and also has a lifetime warranty; DalTech |
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That use to happen to me until I got a real gun belt from Blackhawk. Since wearing the gun belt it holds the holster closer to my body. The cool thing about the gun belts are they are so stiff they hold my pants open for quick get away's. It really comes in handy when visiting my girlfriend house when her boyfriend shows up. Ha ha, "Got to love it." You'll need a gun in that situation. |
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Lower the holster and adjust your angle. Also, try wearing an undershirt, even just a tank tup and tucking it in around the gun. That way your outer shirt doest cling to the gun so easily and it doesn't export the shape. And you look to be wearing closer to 3-4 o clock. 430-5 is much easier, and more comfortable. 3-4 is always to hardest. When it if just over your buttocks, the tightness of the holster should hold it pressed against the dip in your back at an angle. I wear mine fairly high, but i prefer it more behind me than beside me. And I have the old faithful too, so I like the height about mid range. So at 5 o clock, the back clip of the holster should actually meet at the very back/middle belt loop hole and front clip of the holster should meet the side belt loop hole, where the gun actually sits above the right back pocket? I could've sworn that's where it felt, but I guess I just gotta stretch some more, it already felt like sort of a stretch trying to unholster from that position. haha. Quoted:
That use to happen to me until I got a real gun belt from Blackhawk. Since wearing the gun belt it holds the holster closer to my body. The cool thing about the gun belts are they are so stiff they hold my pants open for quick get away's. It really comes in handy when visiting my girlfriend house when her boyfriend shows up. Ha ha, "Got to love it." Quoted:
Aker Leather should be the belt you're looking for. They offer a HUGE variety of styles in both black and brown. As for the printing, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Think about it: I wouldn't even think "there's a gun" if I wasn't looking at those pictures trying to find a gun. Most people aren't walking around a supermarket with anticipation of people trying to conceal a weapon. I conceal carry in a t-shirt all the time and I know I probably print like that on occasion. It happens. True that... I guess I'm like everyone else when they first conceal and do their Wally Walk, every assumes that the whole world can see the gun printing.
I saw those, lots of people have blackhawk belts, i might give those a try. What do you guys think about these belts? Same type of belt that TheBeltMan makes, dual layer, but half the price, and also has a lifetime warranty; DalTech On my Old Faither the first belt clip is between the Belt Loop that is in line with my right pocket, and the seam of my pants. Center it right between the two and you are good to go. Ill move it forward on occasion, but for carrying, having your buttocks under your gun is a very good stabilizer, believe it or not. Also depends what piece I have for the day. Ive been doing a series of videos on CC for my blog, Ill see if I cant get the one about my holster linked to you so you can see. Note: Im a 5ft 9in male that only weighs about 145-155, and I conceal carry a CZ75B full size, complete steel frame in tight fitting shirts. |
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Lower the holster and adjust your angle. Also, try wearing an undershirt, even just a tank tup and tucking it in around the gun. That way your outer shirt doest cling to the gun so easily and it doesn't export the shape. And you look to be wearing closer to 3-4 o clock. 430-5 is much easier, and more comfortable. 3-4 is always to hardest. When it if just over your buttocks, the tightness of the holster should hold it pressed against the dip in your back at an angle. I wear mine fairly high, but i prefer it more behind me than beside me. And I have the old faithful too, so I like the height about mid range. So at 5 o clock, the back clip of the holster should actually meet at the very back/middle belt loop hole and front clip of the holster should meet the side belt loop hole, where the gun actually sits above the right back pocket? I could've sworn that's where it felt, but I guess I just gotta stretch some more, it already felt like sort of a stretch trying to unholster from that position. haha. Quoted:
That use to happen to me until I got a real gun belt from Blackhawk. Since wearing the gun belt it holds the holster closer to my body. The cool thing about the gun belts are they are so stiff they hold my pants open for quick get away's. It really comes in handy when visiting my girlfriend house when her boyfriend shows up. Ha ha, "Got to love it." Quoted:
Aker Leather should be the belt you're looking for. They offer a HUGE variety of styles in both black and brown. As for the printing, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Think about it: I wouldn't even think "there's a gun" if I wasn't looking at those pictures trying to find a gun. Most people aren't walking around a supermarket with anticipation of people trying to conceal a weapon. I conceal carry in a t-shirt all the time and I know I probably print like that on occasion. It happens. True that... I guess I'm like everyone else when they first conceal and do their Wally Walk, every assumes that the whole world can see the gun printing.
I saw those, lots of people have blackhawk belts, i might give those a try. What do you guys think about these belts? Same type of belt that TheBeltMan makes, dual layer, but half the price, and also has a lifetime warranty; DalTech I have had good luck without having to get a real belt. I use a fabric belt that doesn't use a belt loop, but rather two D loops and you weave the belt through them and tuck the excess belt back through the loop. It has always worked for me. |
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My wife doesn't like the fact that I wear XL t-shirts. I could very easily get away with wearing L t-shirts but I find the XL's to be more comfortable and less restrictive. I also find that they are able to conceal my pistol better.
A good belt and holster combo would do you wonders. A purpose designed belt that holds the holster closer to your body will help conceal better because it's designed that way. Your fashion leather belt is designed to hold your pants up... that's about all it's designed to do. |
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Concealed to me. Unless you are making it hugely obvious you should have no issues with what you are showing.
Once you realize the rest of the world is not paying attention to you and that no one cares about you other than yourself you will be fine. Everyone is to stuck on their iPhones or Galaxy S III's and are to worried about what is getting posted of facebook or getting a twitter thing out. I have accidentally walked through wal-mart with my shirt hung on my pistol exposed and all .... NOT ONE person noticed. The sheep are to worried about other things than you. |
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Concealed to me. Unless you are making it hugely obvious you should have no issues with what you are showing. Once you realize the rest of the world is not paying attention to you and that no one cares about you other than yourself you will be fine. Everyone is to stuck on their iPhones or Galaxy S III's and are to worried about what is getting posted of facebook or getting a twitter thing out. I have accidentally walked through wal-mart with my shirt hung on my pistol exposed and all .... NOT ONE person noticed. The sheep are to worried about other things than you. I remember seeing a guy just like you and didn't say a thing because it was obvious that he didn't care if he was 'busted'. I know I wasn't the only person 'cause I watched the reactions of others. No one said a thing. I wonder what an LEO woulda done if he / she had spotted the accidental exposure? |
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Concealed to me. Unless you are making it hugely obvious you should have no issues with what you are showing. Once you realize the rest of the world is not paying attention to you and that no one cares about you other than yourself you will be fine. Everyone is to stuck on their iPhones or Galaxy S III's and are to worried about what is getting posted of facebook or getting a twitter thing out. I have accidentally walked through wal-mart with my shirt hung on my pistol exposed and all .... NOT ONE person noticed. The sheep are to worried about other things than you. I remember seeing a guy just like you and didn't say a thing because it was obvious that he didn't care if he was 'busted'. I know I wasn't the only person 'cause I watched the reactions of others. No one said a thing. I wonder what an LEO woulda done if he / she had spotted the accidental exposure? Buddy of mine had it happen the LEO walked over and told him to cover it up. He was carrying a full on 1911 and his shirt got hung up on the safety. Mine was not so bad just had anyone actually paid attention to me I would have been made. This is Texas though everyone either knows everyone carries or they probably assumed I was LEO off duty as many officers carry and no one probably cared since that day I had an Anchor Globe and Eagle on my shirt. I am serious people do not pay attention now days countless times a day I dodge people who walk into me almost because they are buried in their phones. |
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Concealed to me. Unless you are making it hugely obvious you should have no issues with what you are showing. Once you realize the rest of the world is not paying attention to you and that no one cares about you other than yourself you will be fine. Everyone is to stuck on their iPhones or Galaxy S III's and are to worried about what is getting posted of facebook or getting a twitter thing out. I have accidentally walked through wal-mart with my shirt hung on my pistol exposed and all .... NOT ONE person noticed. The sheep are to worried about other things than you. I remember seeing a guy just like you and didn't say a thing because it was obvious that he didn't care if he was 'busted'. I know I wasn't the only person 'cause I watched the reactions of others. No one said a thing. I wonder what an LEO woulda done if he / she had spotted the accidental exposure? Buddy of mine had it happen the LEO walked over and told him to cover it up. He was carrying a full on 1911 and his shirt got hung up on the safety. Mine was not so bad just had anyone actually paid attention to me I would have been made. This is Texas though everyone either knows everyone carries or they probably assumed I was LEO off duty as many officers carry and no one probably cared since that day I had an Anchor Globe and Eagle on my shirt. I am serious people do not pay attention now days countless times a day I dodge people who walk into me almost because they are buried in their phones. But then again, we shouldnt have to look for these things. Why should it be a big deal that someone is armed? I wouldnt open carry very often if it was allowed, but I still want it an option in Texas. |
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I apologize I haven't written here in a while, I've been busy with work all week.
Thanks a lot you guys and gals! I tried the 5 o clock, it's definitely more concealable. At least with my body type, I raised the clips higher, and also with a forward cant. I just wish wearing at 5 o clock would be comfortable for sitting in cars and driving :grumble . I finally got my belt in from Daltech Force Dual Layer Bullhide gun belts. Like I said, I usually wear a 34-36. and they said to add 4 inch to pant size so I got a 38, but even with a 38 size belt, it barely fits, it's on the last hole. I might have to send it back for a larger belt, or I guess I can try and do a lot of cardio until my license comes in.I'll try and see if I can lose an inch or two in the next few days so I can wear the belt more comfortably, then I'll post up a review for the Old Faithful Holster and Daltech Force Gun Belt. Thanks again, all of you for your helpful input! |
| I have found that the higher the pistol rides on the hip/waist the easier it will conceal. 4:00-5:00 is always tricky because of the printing that occurs when you lean in certain directions. I've found 3:00-4:00 to be optimal for me. With a collared untucked shirt or light jacket you shouldn't have an issue. I'm 5'9" and about 200 so really fat right now. The extra on my sides is going to push that gun up and out if it sits too low. I know losing weight will help. I'm not a fan of baggy clothes but wearing the gun tight helps to conceal. There is also a sweet spot where your jeans/pants will settle and that's where you need to make sure printing is minimal. You can't go around all day adjusting your belt. Be prepared to possibly shop for new clothes. |
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I have found that the higher the pistol rides on the hip/waist the easier it will conceal. 4:00-5:00 is always tricky because of the printing that occurs when you lean in certain directions. I've found 3:00-4:00 to be optimal for me. With a collared untucked shirt or light jacket you shouldn't have an issue. I'm 5'9" and about 200 so really fat right now. The extra on my sides is going to push that gun up and out if it sits too low. I know losing weight will help. I'm not a fan of baggy clothes but wearing the gun tight helps to conceal. There is also a sweet spot where your jeans/pants will settle and that's where you need to make sure printing is minimal. You can't go around all day adjusting your belt. Be prepared to possibly shop for new clothes. Reverse for me, I have found certain holsters sit lower below the belt and print less. Of course, I weigh a lot more than the OP. But like others have said, most people don't notice. You could always try groin carry and then only the ladies and homo's know you are carrying. |
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The problem is, that in some locations, "printing" will get you in as much trouble as brandishing! Seriously. Let me clarify: The laws in various states vary greatly. In New Mehico, for example, you can carry openly or concealed (with CCW license of course). There's no penalty (that I have heard of) for printing. In other states, printing is categorized as "brandishing," and punished in the same way. In Texas, there is no open carry, and I suspect that the sheep there would panic (or feign panic in order to cause trouble for you) if you printed. Check out the Texas Hometown Forum for more info on this. |
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I have found that the higher the pistol rides on the hip/waist the easier it will conceal. 4:00-5:00 is always tricky because of the printing that occurs when you lean in certain directions. I've found 3:00-4:00 to be optimal for me. With a collared untucked shirt or light jacket you shouldn't have an issue. I'm 5'9" and about 200 so really fat right now. The extra on my sides is going to push that gun up and out if it sits too low. I know losing weight will help. I'm not a fan of baggy clothes but wearing the gun tight helps to conceal. There is also a sweet spot where your jeans/pants will settle and that's where you need to make sure printing is minimal. You can't go around all day adjusting your belt. Be prepared to possibly shop for new clothes. Reverse for me, I have found certain holsters sit lower below the belt and print less. Of course, I weigh a lot more than the OP. But like others have said, most people don't notice. You could always try groin carry and then only the ladies and homo's know you are carrying. There's a couple of companies that make holsters for groin carry: SmartCarry and Thunderwear. I have the SC and have found: ––that anything with a hammer digs into my ample belly, and is uncomfortable; ––that it is a PITA to remove the pistol when you go into a "forbidden" place. ––it is VERY concealable, as SS109 states, only meat gazers will notice. Check out SmartCarry's web site; they have a very skinny guy demonstrating it (as well as a cute girl). ––I have problems with my pants sliding down my butt when wearing SC holster! I've accidentally dropped trou and become a WalMartian, twice! I now wear suspenders when using the SC holster. |
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I apologize I haven't written here in a while, I've been busy with work all week. Thanks a lot you guys and gals! I tried the 5 o clock, it's definitely more concealable. At least with my body type, I raised the clips higher, and also with a forward cant. I just wish wearing at 5 o clock would be comfortable for sitting in cars and driving :grumble . I finally got my belt in from Daltech Force Dual Layer Bullhide gun belts. Like I said, I usually wear a 34-36. and they said to add 4 inch to pant size so I got a 38, but even with a 38 size belt, it barely fits, it's on the last hole. I might have to send it back for a larger belt, or I guess I can try and do a lot of cardio until my license comes in.I'll try and see if I can lose an inch or two in the next few days so I can wear the belt more comfortably, then I'll post up a review for the Old Faithful Holster and Daltech Force Gun Belt. Thanks again, all of you for your helpful input! Did this review happen? I am actually looking at the exact same combination of holster/belt right now. Any info about either would be greatly appreciated. |
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I have found that the higher the pistol rides on the hip/waist the easier it will conceal. 4:00-5:00 is always tricky because of the printing that occurs when you lean in certain directions. I've found 3:00-4:00 to be optimal for me. With a collared untucked shirt or light jacket you shouldn't have an issue. I'm 5'9" and about 200 so really fat right now. The extra on my sides is going to push that gun up and out if it sits too low. I know losing weight will help. I'm not a fan of baggy clothes but wearing the gun tight helps to conceal. There is also a sweet spot where your jeans/pants will settle and that's where you need to make sure printing is minimal. You can't go around all day adjusting your belt. Be prepared to possibly shop for new clothes. I'm 5'6", about 240 (if you think that's bad, I weighed 280 a little over a year ago!). I wear my pants at about my hips. I carry it at 3:00, with some forward cant to it. The gun tucks in kinda under my love handle, and it works perfectly
This is with a 4" Springfield XD-40 
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| I carry a Kahr CW40 in a Galco KingTuk. It works much better at 3:00-4:00 than further back. Adjust the clips to cant the gun forward as much as is comfortable and the gun butt will print less. Buy a size bigger t-shirt. I can wear a large but I can't hide a gun under one. With XL, it disappears. Adjust the clips to sink the gun on the holster backing to get it as far down in your pants as you can and still be able to grasp the grip. A "wife beater" undershirt keeps the leather backing of the holster from sweating against your skin. Having your pants pulled up a bit conceals it better. CCW is NO place for plumber's butt or gangsta style jeans hanging down off your ass. With jeans and an untucked shirt, I like Levi's 560 as they have more ballroom and more room for the Kahr. I'm 6"2"-195# and I normally wear Dockers and a button down collar, oxford style shirt, often with a tie, for work. I dress better now that I carry all the time and I've noticed that the better I'm dressed, the more respect I seen to get from people. I've been carrying for 3-1/2 years daily at work and the KingTuk came about a year ago. Our VP approached me about advice on what to get for a self def pistol in Dec, just after the CT shooting because he's known for years that I'm a gun guy. He had taken a CCW course and got his license about a year ago but never owned a pistol. We went to the LGS and range after work the next day and he settled on a M&P 9 compact. A day or so later he asks me about what holster to get for CCW and he darn near $#!+ himself when we stepped outside and I showed him the KingTuk and Kahr I was wearing. I told him I'd been carrying it that way daily for a year and he couldn't believe it concealed so well. He's about my Dad's age and yesterday when I was at the office he couldn't wait to show me the CCW vest he'd just bought. I'm now looking for something with more capacity since the Kahr is all but invisible on me. I bought it because it was the slimmest 40 on the market at the time but I'm past ready for something with a better trigger and more rounds. |