Posted: 5/15/2012 3:24:00 AM EDT
| Ok 45= greatest round ever made logic being fast handgun bullets don't =rifle ballistics....other than financial reasons why shouldn't I buy a 50gi? |
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If you intend to use it for anything other than telling people that you have a .50, remember that .50 pistol bullets are not designed to function at it's dismally low pistol velocities. No matter what you shoot, it's going to be like an FMJ round.
Wasnt the 50GI designed for the .50 1911 though? 50AE and 500S&W both perform quite well from pistols as they were designed to be shot from pistols, no? ETA: I carried a DE in 50AE for a wile, it was dumb... |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you intend to use it for anything other than telling people that you have a .50, remember that .50 pistol bullets are not designed to function at it's dismally low pistol velocities. No matter what you shoot, it's going to be like an FMJ round. Wasnt the 50GI designed for the .50 1911 though? 50AE and 500S&W both perform quite well from pistols as they were designed to be shot from pistols, no? ETA: I carried a DE in 50AE for a wile, it was dumb... Look at the difference between the velocities of the .50GI compared to the .50AE. The bullets used were designed to expand at .50AE velocities. How do you think that will work in the .50GI? |
| Contemporary 9mm and .40 defensive ammo works very well. Don't let us stop you from getting what you want, but considering you posed this question in the "Carry Issues" subforum, I'm inclined to tell you that bigger does not always equal better when it comes to EDC... especially now that there are so many good options on the market. |
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I've never heard of this caliber, but wiki says some interesting things:
In one evaluation the following performance difference was noted between the .45 ACP and the .50GI: "It actually pounded my steel target with so much force that it knocked the entire 100-pound plate and stand combo hard enough to make it furrow the ground it stood upon.[...]Folks, these .50 calibers really do hit that hard. [The 300 grain TMJ] caused dings in steel targets that normally fracture .40 and .45 cal rounds into so much dust."
185 gr (12 g) JHP, 1200 ft/s, 591 ft-lb 275 gr (18 g) JHP, 900 ft/s, 495 ft-lb 300 gr (19 g) JFP, 700 ft/s, 350 ft-lb 300 gr (19 g) JHP, 860 ft/s, 493 ft-lb Not too shabby. |
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Quoted: Any more educated thoughts...first couple didnt help In a carry weapon, my money goes to capacity coupled with quality. Any effective self defense round is going to give you a full release of energy into a body mass (aka not penetrate). Personally i'd be more curious in the kind of rounds you can get for a 50gi and the ease of carry. |
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I've never heard of this caliber, but wiki says some interesting things: In one evaluation the following performance difference was noted between the .45 ACP and the .50GI: "It actually pounded my steel target with so much force that it knocked the entire 100-pound plate and stand combo hard enough to make it furrow the ground it stood upon.[...]Folks, these .50 calibers really do hit that hard. [The 300 grain TMJ] caused dings in steel targets that normally fracture .40 and .45 cal rounds into so much dust."
185 gr (12 g) JHP, 1200 ft/s, 591 ft-lb 275 gr (18 g) JHP, 900 ft/s, 495 ft-lb 300 gr (19 g) JFP, 700 ft/s, 350 ft-lb 300 gr (19 g) JHP, 860 ft/s, 493 ft-lb Not too shabby. Those not-too-shabby figures lead me to believe that being on the ass end of the pistol wouldn't be the most pleasant experience. For the folks with experience, am I right? |
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I've never heard of this caliber, but wiki says some interesting things: In one evaluation the following performance difference was noted between the .45 ACP and the .50GI: "It actually pounded my steel target with so much force that it knocked the entire 100-pound plate and stand combo hard enough to make it furrow the ground it stood upon.[...]Folks, these .50 calibers really do hit that hard. [The 300 grain TMJ] caused dings in steel targets that normally fracture .40 and .45 cal rounds into so much dust."
185 gr (12 g) JHP, 1200 ft/s, 591 ft-lb 275 gr (18 g) JHP, 900 ft/s, 495 ft-lb 300 gr (19 g) JFP, 700 ft/s, 350 ft-lb 300 gr (19 g) JHP, 860 ft/s, 493 ft-lb Not too shabby. Those not-too-shabby figures lead me to believe that being on the ass end of the pistol wouldn't be the most pleasant experience. For the folks with experience, am I right? Not so much the experience. They give you no info of what the round was fired from. Barrel length of the weapon or anything. If I had to choose .45ACP vs .50GI everyday all day I would go with the 45ACP. This is why.... I can go to walmart buy the ammo Known reliability Assortments of ammo to choose from Can run in more than just one handgun (1911 Glock S&W M&P etc etc) The slide is thick enough on a 45 for carry no way the 50 is going to be better Mag capacity will be better for sure Holster? |
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.50 GI for carry? IDK, seems to be a bit much. Granted, a half inch barrel is a frightening thing to stare down, but I don't think you'll be gaining enough over a 10mm Norma (practically speaking) to warrant carrying it, unless your dealing with bears on the way to work.
On the other hand, having one for just about any purpose other than carry? Totally justifiable. I don't see a reason not to buy it (cost excluded, of course). |
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Ok 45= greatest round ever made logic being fast handgun bullets don't =rifle ballistics....other than financial reasons why shouldn't I buy a 50gi? Because you don't want to lumped in with the losers that carry 460 Rowlands, 400 Corbons, 45 Supers, 45 Winchester Magnums, .410 Taurus Judges or .50 AEs. Because they have so much "knock down" power. Maybe you could get a 45/70 version of the MIL Thunder 5 MIL Thunder 5 Gringop |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ok 45= greatest round ever made logic being fast handgun bullets don't =rifle ballistics....other than financial reasons why shouldn't I buy a 50gi? Because you don't want to lumped in with the losers that carry 460 Rowlands, 400 Corbons, 45 Supers, 45 Winchester Magnums, .410 Taurus Judges or .50 AEs. Because they have so much "knock down" power. Maybe you could get a 45/70 version of the MIL Thunder 5 MIL Thunder 5 Gringop You have to admit that a pistol that breaks your wrist every time you pull the trigger would help in the court proceedings. No jury would believe you'd pull the trigger unless it was absolutely necessary   Personally, if I could find one with decent recoil and a carryable package, I'd tote a .75! Remember The Colonel's definition of a combat handgun's purpose. |
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There is no magic bullet. 4 hits with a .38Spl or 9mm > 1 miss with a .50gi What's the equation for 1 hit with .38spl or 9mm v 1 hit with .50gi? Seems like a more accurate question. Where is the hit? What type of target? What is he wearing? Is the target under influence of drugs? Is the target behind cover? Is the target shooting back? How quickly can you shoot the target before you are hit or stabbed? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is no magic bullet. 4 hits with a .38Spl or 9mm > 1 miss with a .50gi What's the equation for 1 hit with .38spl or 9mm v 1 hit with .50gi? Seems like a more accurate question. Where is the hit? What type of target? What is he wearing? Is the target under influence of drugs? Is the target behind cover? Is the target shooting back? How quickly can you shoot the target before you are hit or stabbed? So we're still not comparing legitimately? How about the only difference in the incident is the caliber of bullet? That's the only way to compare. Everything else is exactly the same, only the bullet changes. But you keep playing that old game where the tiny highly trained judo/karate/kung fu master beats hell out of the bigger, but completely untrained goof, or comparing the 9mm ultra HSLD hollowpoint to the .45acp 230 grain government ball. Whatever it takes to make your point, right? |
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Carry whatever you want so long as you get the hits. That was the point I was trying to make. That, and caliber is just one of many factors but certainly not the biggest one. Then we don't really disagree. That's kind of what I hoped. My message can get lost in translation sometimes! 
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