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Posted: 12/30/2013 3:39:45 PM EDT
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is a pistol always a pistol even if you add a stock or is a SBR a rifle that is shortened?
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So what you're asking is... if you make a pistol into a rifle.. is it still a pistol? Need I go on? Quoted:
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is a pistol always a pistol even if you add a stock or is a SBR a rifle that is shortened? or is it both? So what you're asking is... if you make a pistol into a rifle.. is it still a pistol? Need I go on? |
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Once a pistol has a stock attached to it, it becomes a rifle (depending upon the length of the barrel and overall it may become an SBR).
If you cut a rifle barrel down or re=attach a barrel less than 16 inches then it also becomes an SBR. Once it has been created and registered as an NFA item (SBR) then it is always an NFA item. BTW, register and get you paperwork back from the NFA branch BEFORE doing the work. To make things more confusing, say you have an AR pistol....you can push the pins and put a 16" barreled upper on it and then a butt stock and you have a rifle. But you can not take a rifle and then make it a pistol (less than 16" barrel. R |
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Once a pistol has a stock attached to it, it becomes a rifle (depending upon the length of the barrel and overall it may become an SBR). If you cut a rifle barrel down or re=attach a barrel less than 16 inches then it also becomes an SBR. Once it has been created and registered as an NFA item (SBR) then it is always an NFA item. BTW, register and get you paperwork back from the NFA branch BEFORE doing the work. To make things more confusing, say you have an AR pistol....you can push the pins and put a 16" barreled upper on it and then a butt stock and you have a rifle. But you can not take a rifle and then make it a pistol (less than 16" barrel. R Not true. I've removed an SBR from the registry before in order to sell it. The guy wanted it bad enough that he paid my initial $200 on the stamp to remove it and permanently add an extension to make it a rifle. |
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Quoted: Not true. I've removed an SBR from the registry before in order to sell it. The guy wanted it bad enough that he paid my initial $200 on the stamp to remove it and permanently add an extension to make it a rifle. Quoted: Quoted: Once a pistol has a stock attached to it, it becomes a rifle (depending upon the length of the barrel and overall it may become an SBR). If you cut a rifle barrel down or re=attach a barrel less than 16 inches then it also becomes an SBR. Once it has been created and registered as an NFA item (SBR) then it is always an NFA item. BTW, register and get you paperwork back from the NFA branch BEFORE doing the work. To make things more confusing, say you have an AR pistol....you can push the pins and put a 16" barreled upper on it and then a butt stock and you have a rifle. But you can not take a rifle and then make it a pistol (less than 16" barrel. R Not true. I've removed an SBR from the registry before in order to sell it. The guy wanted it bad enough that he paid my initial $200 on the stamp to remove it and permanently add an extension to make it a rifle. |
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To make things more confusing, say you have an AR pistol....you can push the pins and put a 16" barreled upper on it and then a butt stock and you have a rifle. But you can not take a rifle and then make it a pistol (less than 16" barrel. Also not true. http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf |
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Quoted: Someone was telling me that you can add a stock to a pistol and it's still a "pistol" but a rifle cut down is definitely a sbr. Basically referring to gray area. Did some reading and some stuff seemed gray other stuff is very clear. It isn't a gray area. Your "someone" only gave you half the information. I'm guessing the "someone" was referring to the Thompson/Center findings: (http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf) Pistol -> rifle -> pistol
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It isn't a gray area. Your "someone" only gave you half the information. I'm guessing the "someone" was referring to the Thompson/Center findings: (http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf) Pistol -> rifle -> pistol Quoted:
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Someone was telling me that you can add a stock to a pistol and it's still a "pistol" but a rifle cut down is definitely a sbr. Basically referring to gray area. Did some reading and some stuff seemed gray other stuff is very clear. It isn't a gray area. Your "someone" only gave you half the information. I'm guessing the "someone" was referring to the Thompson/Center findings: (http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf) Pistol -> rifle -> pistol He, a coworker, was talking about making an sbr. I really want one as well, but I was under impression it's a no go in WA state. He did some lunch time Internet googlebox searching and found all sorts of good and gray info. Then explained it to me, which also means half the important info was left out |
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He, a coworker, was talking about making an sbr. I really want one as well, but I was under impression it's a no go in WA state. He did some lunch time Internet googlebox searching and found all sorts of good and gray info. Then explained it to me, which also means half the important info was left out Correct. They are forbidden in WA. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.190 |
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Quoted: OK. So that appears to be as close to sbr as one can get here in WA. To me, a bullpup carbine such as an AUG or Tavor would give you a compact rifle with a legal 16" barrel in an SBR-sized package. Not sure if bullpups are legal in your locale, though. |
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Quoted: I believe they are, bullpup that is. But sbr is no go. I am picking up a 10mm tangfolio match today. I'll wait and make a decision on the short ak Back on track, I don't have any issues with the faux cans. They do create quite a blast and a lot of noise though. |
| Yes, you can always take the stock off of an SBR so that it resembles a pistol and put it back on at will. With the stock "off" it is still classified as an SBR even though it resembles a pistol. I do this all the time with my MP5-K. With the stock off it looks like a pistol with a vert grip up front but it is still an SBR. |
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I believe they are, bullpup that is. But sbr is no go. I am picking up a 10mm tangfolio match today. I'll wait and make a decision on the short ak I'm waiting for my Tavor to come in, it's going to be 5" shorter than my Draco sbr with stock extended, but much longer than when the dracos stock is folded. Food for thought maybe. |
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Not true. I've removed an SBR from the registry before in order to sell it. The guy wanted it bad enough that he paid my initial $200 on the stamp to remove it and permanently add an extension to make it a rifle. Quoted:
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Once a pistol has a stock attached to it, it becomes a rifle (depending upon the length of the barrel and overall it may become an SBR). If you cut a rifle barrel down or re=attach a barrel less than 16 inches then it also becomes an SBR. Once it has been created and registered as an NFA item (SBR) then it is always an NFA item. BTW, register and get you paperwork back from the NFA branch BEFORE doing the work. To make things more confusing, say you have an AR pistol....you can push the pins and put a 16" barreled upper on it and then a butt stock and you have a rifle. But you can not take a rifle and then make it a pistol (less than 16" barrel. R Not true. I've removed an SBR from the registry before in order to sell it. The guy wanted it bad enough that he paid my initial $200 on the stamp to remove it and permanently add an extension to make it a rifle. Wow, have never heard of that. R |
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