479.102 How must firearms be
identified?
(a)
You, as a manufacturer, im-
porter, or maker of a firearm, must
legibly identify the firearm as fol-
lows:
(1)
By engraving, casting,
stamping (impressing), or other-
wise conspicuously placing or
causing to be engraved, cast,
stamped (impressed) or placed on
the frame or receiver thereof an
individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a
manner not susceptible of being
readily obliterated,
altered, or re-
moved, and must not duplicate
any serial number placed by you
on any other firearm. For firearms
manufactured, imported, or made
on and after January 30, 2002,
the engraving, casting, or stamp-
ing (impressing) of the serial
number must be to a minimum
depth of .003 inch and in a print
size no smaller than 1/16 inch;
and
(2)
By engraving, casting,
stamping (impressing), or other-
wise conspicuously placing or
causing to be engraved, cast,
stamped (impressed), or placed
on the frame, receiver, or barrel
thereof certain additional informa-
tion. This information must be
placed in a manner not suscepti-
ble of being readily obliterated, al-
tered or removed. For firearms
manufactured, imported, or made
on and after January 30, 2002,
the engraving, casting, or stamp-
ing (impressing) of this informa-
tion must be to a minimum depth
of .003 inch. The additional infor-
mation includes:
(i)
The model, if such desig-
nation has been made;
(ii)
The caliber or gauge;


(iii)
Your name (or recog-
nized abbreviation) and also,
when applicable, the name of
the foreign manufacturer or
maker;
(iv)
In the case of a domes-
tically made firearm, the city
and State (or recognized ab-
breviation thereof) where you
as the manufacturer maintain
your place of business, or
where you, as the maker, made
the firearm; and
(v)
In the case of an im-
ported firearm, the name of the
country in which it was manu-
factured and the city and State
(or recognized abbreviation
thereof) where you as the im-
porter maintain your place of
business. For additional re-
quire-ments relating to im-
ported firearms, see Customs
regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

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It most certainly must be engraved.

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/5300-4.pdf  (page 91 & 92, 479.102)

Hint, you are the maker of a new firearm (not the manufacturer)

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It would say "Make OR Register" if you weren't making a title II firearm.

You made a title II firearm from a title I firearm.

Good luck.

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People do make AND reg. a firearm......  In that case (4a) demands (if prototype, furnish plans and specification)

Again, I'm not making a firearm, I'm registering one that was manufactured by someone else.

I took that manufactured firearm and registered it so I can install a (manufactured) barrel shorter than 16"

But, by all means, if you feel you must add additional engravings, go ahead.

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That's not what the law says, and that's not how the BATFE sees it.  Creating a Title II firearm is, in itself, making a new firearm.  Even though its from an existing piece of metal made by someone else, the law states that the act of putting a short barrel on it is deemed making a new firearm and must be engraved accordingly.  You can reuse the serial number and model number that's on it, but you will need to engrave it with your trust name/individual name.

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Actually not accurate anymore. The BATF has changed their rulings based on the TC and Thompson issues and a SBR can be moved back rifleorth between a rfile to pistol and vice versa.

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I didn't make a new firearm when I made it an SBR

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I think you need to read up on the BATFE ruling for that.  2011-4

That case of conversion kits only applies to a limited scope of firearms, like the TC case, in which a weapon can be assembled out of the box from the manufacturer in either a pistol or rifle configuration and can be reconfigured in either form without penalty.  The ruling DOES NOT cover assembling them in an SBR configuration, which still requires a Form 1.



Thats incorrect.  You made a new firearm under the National Firearms Act.

National Firearms Act (NFA) — Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns
What is the registered part of a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) or Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)?
I possess a properly registered SBR or SBS. I intend to strip the receiver and remove the barrel prior to selling the receiver. Is the bare receiver still subject to regulation under the NFA as a SBR or SBS?
If I remove the short barrel from the registered SBR or SBS, is the receiver still subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations?
Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?
Is it necessary to send notification to ATF and receive acknowledgement that the SBR or SBS has been removed from the purview of the NFA before it may be sold as a GCA firearm?
If I remove the short barrel from my SBR or SBS, may I move the firearm across state lines without the submission of ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport or to Temporarily Export Certain Firearms?
May the short barrel on an SBR or SBS be replaced with a long barrel for hunting or other purposes, with the intent of replacing the short barrel?

The following questions are related to an SBR or SBS which has had the barrel removed and is no longer subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations:
May I transfer the receiver of a short-barrel rifle or shotgun to an FFL or to an individual as I would any GCA firearm?
Who is responsible for notifying the NFA Branch when I transfer the GCA firearm to a FFL or another individual?
How do I properly record the sale or disposition of a receiver that is registered in the NFRTR but is no longer a NFA firearm? Will ATF Industry Operations Investigators be aware that the NFA firearm (SBR or SBS) no longer exist?
If removal and destruction or disposition of the short barrel removes the firearm from the purview NFA, is there a minimum time period the barrel must remain unattached for the firearm to not be regulated under the NFA?
May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled?

Q: What is the registered part of a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) or Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)?

While a receiver alone may be classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act (GCA), SBRs and SBSs are classified in totality under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A firearm that meets the definition of a SBR consists of a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length. The serialized receiver is recorded for registration in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR).

Q: I possess a properly registered SBR or SBS. I intend to strip the receiver and remove the barrel prior to selling the receiver. Is the bare receiver still subject to regulation under the NFA as a SBR or SBS?

A stripped receiver without a barrel does not meet the definition of a SBR or SBS under the NFA. Although the previously registered firearm would remain registered unless the possessor notified the NFA Branch of the change, there is no provision in statute or regulation requiring registration of a firearm without a barrel because its physical characteristics would make it only a GCA “firearm” pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)(B). If the subsequent owner buys the receiver as a GCA firearm and installs a barrel less than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS), the firearm would be subject to a $200 making tax and registration under the NFA by the manufacturer or maker of the SBR or SBS. Because registration depends upon the stated intent of the applicant, there is no provision to allow registration of a NFA firearm by anyone other than the maker or manufacturer.

Q: If I remove the short barrel from the registered SBR or SBS, is the receiver still subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations?

If the possessor retains control over the barrel or other parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm would still be subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations. ATF recommends contacting State law enforcement officials to ensure compliance with state and local law.

Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?

Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.

Q: Is it necessary to send notification to ATF and receive acknowledgement that the SBR or SBS has been removed from the purview of the NFA before it may be sold as a GCA firearm?

There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.

Q: If I remove the short barrel from my SBR or SBS, may I move the firearm across state lines without the submission of ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport or to Temporarily Export Certain Firearms?

If the registrant retains control over the parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm is still be subject to all requirements of the NFA. ATF recommends contacting law enforcement officials in the destination state to ensure compliance with state and local law.

Q: May the short barrel on an SBR or SBS be replaced with a long barrel for hunting or other purposes, with the intent of replacing the short barrel?

Yes, and you will not be required to again register the firearm before replacing the short barrel. ATF recommends written notification to the NFA Branch when a firearm’s configuration is permanently changed or removed from the purview of the NFA.

Q: May I transfer the receiver of a short-barrel rifle or shotgun to an FFL or to an individual as I would any GCA firearm?

Yes. A weapon that does not meet the definition of a NFA “firearm” is not subject to the NFA and a possessor or transferor needn’t comply with NFA requirements. The firearm is considered a GCA firearm and may be transferred under the provisions of that law.

Q: Who is responsible for notifying the NFA Branch when I transfer the GCA firearm to a FFL or another individual?

There is no requirement that the transferor or transferee of a GCA firearm notify the NFA branch of a transfer or that either party determine whether the firearm was previously registered under the NFA. There is no also no requirement for the registrant or possessor of a NFA firearm to notify ATF of the removal of features that caused the firearm to be subject to the NFA; however, ATF recommends the owner notify the NFA Branch in writing if a firearm is permanently removed from the NFA.

Q: How do I properly record the sale or disposition of a receiver that is registered in the NFRTR but is no longer a NFA firearm? Will ATF Industry Operations Investigators be aware that the NFA firearm (SBR or SBS) no longer exist?

A FFL should note a disposition in the A&D record only when the firearm is transferred out of his/her inventory. Title 27 Code of Federal Regulations, part 478.125 does not require an annotation declaring that a firearm is a GCA or NFA firearm. Any such notation would be at the FFL’s discretion. If the firearm is subject to the NFA at the time of transfer, the licensee is required to comply with the applicable transfer and possession regulations. Any inventory report should reflect the firearms currently registered to the FFL under the NFA. Therefore, ATF recommends written notification to the NFA Branch when a firearm is removed from the purview of the NFA.

Q: If removal and destruction or disposition of the short barrel removes the firearm from the purview NFA, is there a minimum time period the barrel must remain unattached for the firearm to not be regulated under the NFA?

The temporary removal of the barrel for repair or change of caliber does not remove a NFA firearm from the purview of the NFA. If the registrant maintains control of the parts required for assembly of a SBR, he or she must maintain the registration as a SBS or SBS regardless of the length of time that the barrel is unattached.

Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled?

A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm.

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Uh, nope. Also the reason manufactures no longer have to sell AR stripped receivers as a "Pistol" or "rifle". They are simply "receivers" now with no designation.

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That's irrelevant to this discussion.  They can be built as either a pistol or rifle, but need an ATF form 1 and an approved tax stamp to be configured as an SBR.

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The question was about engraving, specifically in regards to manufacturing a new weapon. The fact that it can be converted to its previous state without altering its serial numbereach time, would mean that you did not in fact manufacture a new weapon but instead added features that alteted its NFA status "temporarily".

NFA Handbook
All NFA firearms must be identified by a serial number and other specified markings95. If an existing
firearm is being used in the making of the NFA weapon, and that firearm is serialized, the existing serial
number should be used (unless it duplicates a serial number already used by the maker on Form 1) and
entered in Block 4(g). If the weapon is of new manufacture, the applicant must assign a unique serial
number and enter it in Block 4(g). For example, a unique serial number could be composed of at least 4
digits preceded by the initials of the maker. NOTE: alpha characters, e.g., a name, will not be accepted
as a serial number. If a name is to be used, there must be at least one numeric character in addition to
the alpha characters.
The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model,
and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.96 The
marking and identification requirements for a maker are the same as for a manufacturer. Refer to
section 7.4 for a detailed discussion of the requirements.

NFA Handbook
7.4.2 Additional information. Certain additional information must also be conspicuously placed on
the frame, receiver, or barrel of the firearm by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), that is, they
must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms
manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch.
The additional information includes:

(1) The model, if such designation has been made;
(2) The caliber or gauge;
(3) The manufacturer’s name (or recognized abbreviation); and
(4) The city and State (or recognized abbreviation) where the manufacturer maintains its place
of business.122

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Again, ability to convert it is irrelevant.  You're creating a Title II firearm from a Title I firearm.  According to the law and the BATFE, a Form 1 is making a new firearm and it needs to be engraved accordingly.

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Well, we won't agree on this but the Thompson and TC rulings were expanded to also include such conversion as the 1911/Glock carbine conversions etc. It was changed and applied across the board to apply to all weapons and not just to the TC issue. That was simply the origin. When that changed, it had other implications across the board in how the issue is interepreted, so yes it is now relevant. They basically changed their fundememtal understanding of making a "New" weapon as opposed to "converting" a gun.

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It needs to be engraved with the name and location of the person who submitted the Form 1.

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This.  (Or trust name).

If you think otherwise you are wrong.

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Yes, you absolutely must get ATF approval in the form of a tax stamp on a form 1. There is a one time $200 tax to make the SBR, and if you ever sell it, the buyer must pay the $200 tax to transfer if it stays an SBR.

Start here

Then here

Request forms here

Finish here

Engraving


As for pics, this is my Mini Draco SBR. It took me a year from start to finish to build it. 6 months on ATF, 6 months on me.

I want this!!!!!

http://i45.tinypic.com/ngt6ht.jpg