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Posted: 3/23/2010 4:24:07 PM EDT

how i made it: http://pimpmygun.doctornoob.com/app.php
draco is base gun.
VZ stock,
and that one awesome compensator , that i cant find any info on
your thoughts on this concept?
any information, like pricing, on the comp as well,
i emailed them, no reply.
thanks in advance
KK-47
Link Posted: 3/23/2010 5:55:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2010 10:18:54 PM EDT by haLfLiFe]
I think the VZ-58 stock is the best overall fit for the Draco. I am not fond of the muzzle break, a little big for me...
Link Posted: 3/23/2010 7:16:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2010 8:14:01 PM EDT by RED-X]
Very Nice!
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 3:49:30 AM EDT
i forgot to note: in the game, there is not a VZ stock availible so i modified a H&K stock and built a folding mechanisim. so its not actually a VZ stock, but an accurate representation.
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 6:25:38 AM EDT
I noticed it was an HK A3 stock, like the one my HK-94 had. It looks very nice. It's got that "SBR Look" but without actually being NFA. The muzzle device is much better looking than just plain barrel.

OTOH, you've got the limitations of a pistol AK's shorter sight radius, and a 12" barrel and subsequent 200fps, give or take, loss of velocity of 7.62x39.

So cosmetically, it's VERY, VERY, COOL.

Functionally, or in bang-for-buck terms, not so much.
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 6:40:48 AM EDT
WOW, look at Mr Fancy pants here! Thats some very cool computer work! Looks slick but I to dislike the brake. I change it out for a non-existent brake I made with MS paint.


Link Posted: 3/24/2010 7:49:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stomp:
WOW, look at Mr Fancy pants here! Thats some very cool computer work! Looks slick but I to dislike the brake. I change it out for a non-existent brake I made with MS paint.


<a href="http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/stomp13/?action=view¤t=untitled-2.jpg" target="_blank">http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/stomp13/untitled-2.jpg</a>


Much better.

However, I think the OP is looking to avoid the NFA expense/hassle at this point in time. So he's got a 4" brake either high-temp silver soldered or blind pinned welded so it's 16".
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 7:57:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stomp:
WOW, look at Mr Fancy pants here! Thats some very cool computer work! Looks slick but I to dislike the brake. I change it out for a non-existent brake I made with MS paint.


<a href="http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/stomp13/?action=view¤t=untitled-2.jpg" target="_blank">http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/stomp13/untitled-2.jpg</a>


That brake is on point. Wish I could find something like that
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 12:15:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2010 12:16:37 PM EDT by stomp]

That brake is on point. Wish I could find something like that



Thank you. Im thinking that if you take the O.P.s brake, cut it down to size, and rethread it, it would work, if it had enough meat. Halflife you wouldn't have a 14mmx1 tap and matching drill would you?

Link Posted: 3/24/2010 12:21:24 PM EDT
Great ideas. If you are gonna go w/the mile long FH to avoid NFA go high class and get a Surefire muzzle brake for .30 cal. It is gonna have to be pinned/soldiered/welded anyway.
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 2:02:38 PM EDT
That brake looks like an ak 74 with a krink stacked on top!
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 2:35:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stomp:

That brake is on point. Wish I could find something like that


Halflife you wouldn't have a 14mmx1 tap and matching drill would you[/span]?



Link Posted: 3/24/2010 3:11:42 PM EDT
heres another, good for getting ideas. this ones just for y'all

and the design in post 1 is basicly what im going to do. my mind is made.
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 5:46:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2010 5:46:43 PM EDT by stomp]


Didnt I buy a 12mmx1 tap and matching drill from you? Kind of a joke. I guess not a very good one

Link Posted: 3/24/2010 5:47:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2010 5:48:41 PM EDT by stomp]
kalashnikopy47

I must know what program you are using? I love the idea


duh. I see it in the first post.
Link Posted: 3/24/2010 6:44:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stomp:
kalashnikopy47

I must know what program you are using? I love the idea


duh. I see it in the first post.


i like playing around in that game. an update is due soon, and we'll be abel to do more then.
and remember, its only the beta
Link Posted: 3/25/2010 6:22:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2010 6:41:21 AM EDT by RED-X]
Originally Posted By kalashnikopy47:
http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt324/xp41007/dracowithvz.jpg
how i made it: http://pimpmygun.doctornoob.com/app.php
draco is base gun.
VZ stock,
and that one awesome compensator , that i cant find any info on
any information, like pricing, on the comp as well,
i emailed them, no reply.
thanks in advance
KK-47


I also called the number on the link you provided & they haven't even setup their voice mail. Maybe they're out of business? I found this other alternative.

The VZ stock is available at czechpoint-usa.com BTW.

Link Posted: 3/25/2010 12:28:53 PM EDT
Thanks a lot RED-X
i will definitely consider it.
ill either go with this one or make my own by combineing a 74 and krink somehow without a trashy look.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 12:53:17 PM EDT
Okay thi sis close to your original specs
Link Posted: 3/31/2010 1:15:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2010 1:25:42 PM EDT by kalashnikopy47]
pretty flippin sweet! i saw all the other photos aswell. awesome, BTW, hows the muzzle flash?
Originally Posted By swatbwana:
Okay thi sis close to your original specs
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/swatbwana/rifle/2009_040612-07to4-080057.jpg


Link Posted: 3/31/2010 3:58:22 PM EDT
Not too bad, that extension soaks up some Burning gas for sure nice big BOOOM however...
Link Posted: 3/31/2010 4:28:58 PM EDT
Okay to recap cost

Draco 375 out the door
VZ 58 folder and lock nut plus bolt 65
Brownells moly Spray 22
utg FRONT END 55
tapco Brake 20
barrel extension 12


$549.00
Not to bad for a one of a kind folder AK with a Picatinny rail.
Oh and the 7.62x39 is like the 6.8 you get great velocities from 10 inches to 14 inches and really no gain with a 16 incher.
Link Posted: 4/1/2010 12:31:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2010 7:43:13 AM EDT by RED-X]
Originally Posted By swatbwana:
Okay to recap cost

Draco 375 out the door
VZ 58 folder and lock nut plus bolt 65
Brownells moly Spray 22
utg FRONT END 55
tapco Brake 20
barrel extension 12


$549.00
Not to bad for a one of a kind folder AK with a Picatinny rail.
Oh and the 7.62x39 is like the 6.8 you get great velocities from 10 inches to 14 inches and really no gain with a 16 incher.


Very nice. What kind of pad are you using on your VZ folder & are you using a 2" barrel extension w/ a 2" brake?

Link Posted: 4/5/2010 10:41:05 AM EDT
Pad is from a VLTOR Emod, I bent and epoxied to the stock after removing the glass breaker tip Barrel extension is 2 inches and the brake a little over 2 comes out to just over 16.1 from the breech to out the barrrel.
Link Posted: 4/5/2010 12:13:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/5/2010 12:14:32 PM EDT by RED-X]
Originally Posted By swatbwana:
Pad is from a VLTOR Emod, I bent and epoxied to the stock after removing the glass breaker tip Barrel extension is 2 inches and the brake a little over 2 comes out to just over 16.1 from the breech to out the barrrel.


Thank you. Would an accurate way to measure the overall barrel lenght be by inserting something like a narrow rod down it w/ the bolt in the close position & measure?
Link Posted: 4/5/2010 12:47:26 PM EDT
Yo dog, I heard you like muzzle brakes so we put a muzzle brake on your muzzle brake so you can brake your muzzle while you brake?
Link Posted: 4/5/2010 3:31:33 PM EDT
yup thats what the atf does
Link Posted: 4/5/2010 8:21:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 45FMJoe:
Yo dog, I heard you like muzzle brakes so we put a muzzle brake on your muzzle brake so you can brake your muzzle while you brake?


LOL
xesbit! right (spellcheck)
Link Posted: 4/6/2010 12:04:11 PM EDT
fashizzle
Link Posted: 4/12/2010 9:15:23 PM EDT
Awesome find in that Pimp My Gun website. Thanks.

Here's one I did for my Draco. I'll eventually SBR it, but for now, I'm trying to decide on furniture color and muzzle attachments.

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/Saiga-Fan/DracoConcepts.jpg


Link Posted: 4/13/2010 4:08:27 AM EDT
WOW. those are great! but i cant find what you used in the program like the AMD forend and the super realistic front sight/gas block. which version are you using?
Link Posted: 4/13/2010 9:01:11 PM EDT
I drew those myself in MS Paint.

If you want the bitmap files for them, email me and I'll send them to you. I'm still looking for a SAW grip somewhere to use, since my Draco has one.

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/Saiga-Fan/Dracoright.jpg

Here's a better view of some of the concepts:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/Saiga-Fan/DracoConcepts2.jpg
Link Posted: 4/14/2010 4:16:44 AM EDT
Sweetness man. great job.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 7:22:43 PM EDT
The OPs idea of non-NFA carbine built off a Draco, is exactly what I was thinking about doing.
Link Posted: 4/21/2010 4:10:20 AM EDT
UPDATE:
new parts, i may use a rommy "G" wood VFG, AKA, donkey shlong, ect... and the K-var long krink muzzle device as apposed to the AK-USA, as no contact could be made.
also, i am currently working as a video editor for a christian fitness company, so, as soon as my first project is complete the build will start.
thank you all for the great ideas.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:19:48 PM EDT
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/ex-oga/DRACO%20Build%20Concept/DracoUnderfolder1.jpg


Anyone know if an underfolder is possible with the DRACO trunnion? This is my concept using pimp's limited library.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:49:38 PM EDT
[quote

Anyone know if an underfolder is possible with the DRACO trunnion? This is my concept using pimp's limited library.[/quote]

if they used an underfolding trunion without drilling the reciver, yes. just drill the reciver properly and install.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:29:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2010 5:30:44 PM EDT by Dferg10]
Originally Posted By exspook:
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/ex-oga/DRACO%20Build%20Concept/DracoUnderfolder1.jpg


Anyone know if an underfolder is possible with the DRACO trunnion? This is my concept using pimp's limited library.


Would the AFG interfer with the underfolder when closed?
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 6:37:16 AM EDT
Yes, I'm sure it would. I just included it because pimpmygun doesn't give many other options. Ideally, the rail would be an Ultimak like Gardner's super cool build. That would allow some sort of grip pushed way out front. Maybe a LaRue or KAC handstop rather than a grip.
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