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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:57:55 AM EDT
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I am wondering what is the most accurate. Many say the Russian, though my experience doesn't support that opinion. Anyway I went to the range yesterday and shot a Yugo, Chinese and a Paratrooper and am posting pics. I have 2 Russians I don't think shoot anywhere near as well - maybe they are lemons. I didn't take them as I may be biased. Anyway I am hoping someone will post some range targets of a Russian and any other SKS so we can all compare notes. All shot using the same GT 123 Gr ammo noted on the one target. 92 degrees, no wind, high humidity (guessing 80%).     Obviously I am NOT a great shooter. Each rifle also had the Tech-sights ts200 as well. On top of not being a great shooter, my 40+ eyes are not good. ETA - from a bench using a Caldwell Lead Sled; Cold Bore target measures 2 and 7/8 using the black outline. |
LOL = that's why I posted it - I know 25 yards ain't all that, but I think that is the best 3 shot group I ever had with any SKS. Now I just have to have the deer/BG come in that close while I sit at my tactical bench 
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I think I could just scare someone off hand at that range. I doubt I could actually hit anything - buy hey even a blind hog finds an acorn here and there. 
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We need the same quality shooter to man all the guns - maybe oldPainless can get a Russian - he has most of the others. |
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Just a side note,you might want to mic the bullets on the Russian ammo you are using sometime they use .308 dia. bullets instead of .310 or .311. If you have an older SKS that has any significant barrel ware the .002 difference in bullet dia. might make a difference in accuracy. Russian 7.62 x 39 mm ammo is constructed differently from it American counterpart. American bullet Mfg. use copper jackets over a lead core,where as Russian bullet Mfg use a thin copper jacket over a steel casing with a lead or steel core they make them all the same FMJ,SP and HP,hence you get more wear on the bore over time. Thats why sometime when you dig Russian bullets out of a sand pile or backstop you find the bullets still intact or just bent or warped slightly. |
3 round group ? Nice shooting ! 
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One inch @ 100 yard? As much as I love the SKS there's no way that was at 100 yards. |
My Bushnell Yardage Pro 800 measured it at 102 yards, call BS all you want I have no way of proving anything over the Internet . I have shot many kinds of ammo through my SKS's, and this one likes Wolf MC 124grHP, I reload and also shoot factory Rem,Win, PMC, etc but this one likes cheap Wolf the best. |
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I have seen both ends of the specture in the Chinese SKSs I have owned. I had a paratrooper whe I was 19 that was a 2MOA gun. I traded it for something... big mistake. That was before I realized ALL sks are not equal. The next one I got is a 8 MOA gun, full length barrel. I am thinking about having it cut down, and hope for the best (couldn't get worse!!!!)I just got one more that I haven't retested yet, It was hitting pretty good, but semed to shift point of aim every time I took it out to the range... weird.. I bedded the action cause it was super duper sloppy in there. I guess we will see. |
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santanatwo your correct that all SKS's are not created equal you may want to look at a couple things on yours,check the crown on the muzzle of the rifle if it worn irregularly or has nicks or burrs on it that will cause erratic groups because it deflect the bullets path each time it leaves the muzzle. Also when it come to Russian ammo it's not all the same some rifles like particular brands better than others,Wolf shoots like crap in my YUGO but Golden Tiger or Brown Bear will shoot 2" groups all day long. If ammo doesn't do it for you then shorting the barrel may or may not help plus your going to have to have it recrowned then to, which can get kinda expensive it done properly,might be best to find a better one and sell the one you have. |
How to re-crown - it may improve all my SKSs |
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Recrowning is not a cheap endeavor it has to be done by a qualified gunsmith with the correct tools. From what I can see I don't think you have a crown problem,I would try a few different brands of ammo to see if any groups better,sight in your rifle at 50 Yds instead of 100 first, you can see what your adjustments are doing better,it also helps eliminate or decrease your own shooting flaws as well as any wind drift. Do you use the TechSight front sight post along with the rear sight you have? If not I would recommend one it about half the size of the original post and it will give you a finer aiming point best $7 I ever spent. One thing about doing and accuracy test with ammo and a SKS,allot of times the first round you load by hand will be a flier. load six rounds fire the first off to the side and fire the next five at your target. Also it would help to use a target with a more defined aiming point to zero your rifle like a plain piece of white paper with a 1" orange dot. Once you find the ammo that shoots best in your particular SKS stick with it and practice at the 50 yds setting till your keep getting consistent groups then move out to 100 and see how your doing,you probably want have to adjust your sights much at all. |
Will try it - thanks for the tips. |
Well I got my Chinese SKS ready for deer season today with a little help for Benny's Mil-surplus,it's a really nice rifle and I didn't want to alter it to much,so I just put a file down receiver mount which I must say fits tighter than a tick on a dogs A$$ and a nice Tasco Pro Pointer 42mm Red Dot sight on it. The place where I will hunt my longest shot from my stand is only 50 yds. So I set it up to be dead on 50 in my back yard shooting area,with the brightness setting set on #3 of 5 in the middle of the day sunlight it covered the 1/2" center square of my target I put about 50 Rds. through it just to make sure everything stayed set I had mounted the sight the previous night with some thread locker and let it set up for a day. After that checked out ok I took a little break stapled up a new target and put 5 slow fired rds of my handloaded hunting ammo in about 30 seconds into the target. I'm pretty happy with the results. I think it will do.
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SKS : Standard 59/66 (Purchased from Classic arms on my C&R) This one is one of the "unissued" I picked up. The best shooter I have. Ammo : I'm not sure. I picked up a few tins back when they were $74.99 a few summers ago *how times change*. I just pulled one of the remaining rounds out. Maybe this info will help some ammo expert tell us more about it - Standard green steal case - Red lacquer like line where the bullet meets the case, and around the cap - Bottom of case has the caliber "7.62x39" stamped on the top, and some wavy line almost like an "S" with a line though it (not like a dollar sign though). My camera can't do close ups or I'd provide a picture. Sorry Flier : As much as I'd like to blame the rifle, that was my fault. I just fudged the shot :o(
Sight : First mark. |
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some pretty impressive groups. i took my paratrooper out the other day to my backyard to do some plinking. i found i shot as well off-handed as i did off the bench - 8" groups at 100 yards. figure that one out. i took my enfield jungle carbine out as well - i discovered that aperture site is hard as hell for me to use. i was shooting 18"-24" groups and just about everything to the right.
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My yugo is VERY accurate. I have no problems hitting golf balls @100 yds. I guess it's just hit or miss when you buy SKS rifles. Sometimes you'll get lucky and find one that will hit what you are aiming at! Those are not golf balls rather basket balls. That was good for a laugh though. Pat |
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1970 Yugoslavian M59/66 with Techsight front sight pin replacement and my reloads. When hitting the X ring become more important than how much lead you can throw downrange then you will start reloading. http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/rhsikes/2-1.jpg http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/rhsikes/test016.jpg What kind of strippers are those and do they work? |
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