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Posted: 12/17/2015 11:28:36 AM EDT
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Ok I have to ask. Did you have to register the mags? Does the government track what mags were their preban? What stopping someone from driving into another state and buying mags and driving back in and saying they are preban? No we don't have to register the mags. You don't have to show receipts or proof, as the burden is on them to prove you have them illegally. You must have POSSESSED the magazine IN California PRIOR to 1-1-2000. For one thing, the weapon and magazine has to be designed prior to the ban. Stuff like FN SCAR17s wouldn't cut it. Also, the ban took effect 15 years ago. So if you are just 21 it would be hard to say you had the mags when you were 7. For example: I am 63 years old. I was military active and reserve 7 years, and full time law enforcement for over 20 years. I was also an FFL for 20 years from 1986 to 2006, and did gunshows and sold mags and military stuff in Shotgun news. Also, I had an AR and a Chinese AK I registered in 1990 under the Roberti-Roos AW ban. I also carried an M1 carbine much of my career as an LEO 1982 to 1998, and my Glock 19 was my department carry weapon since 1994. Those factors all create a legal probability I had magazines for those weapons before 2000, because I had weapons for the magazines before the ban. Then there are rebuild kits. You can "rebuild " a high cap mag you possessed prior to 1-1-2000. Until 1-1-14, you could buy disassembled high caps to use for parts to rebuild you mags. Many did get made into illegal magazines, rather than replace parts. We can still get individual parts to fix magazines. It is a good policy to keep at least a part of the old magazine, though to prove it existed. Besides a dozen very good com-bloc AK steel mags, I had 6 old beat up com-bloc AK mags in my cull box: rusted, bent, dented, etc. that were no longer reliable. I rebuilt those with Tapco smooth side orange magazine bodies and base plates, using the original springs and magazine base plate locking plates. I kept the old magazine base plates and followers to show the old mags existed. It is very murky, and they do not try to clarify it. |
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Ever thought about wood furniture? I like it http://homedecor-trends.com/assets/large/2015/11//saiga-wood-furniture-kit-davw0.jpg I actually have considered wood. For now, though, I am going to stick with factory, as this is my "kick-a-bout" weapon. Handy to throw in the truck with a 10 rounder it it, but a Galati Int. 6-pack shoulder bag full of 30s close by. As well as it shoots with the red dot, I prefer it without the extra bulk and weight. Maybe it is just the old school rifleman and M1 Carbine shooter in me, but I think the factory throws up to the shoulder and snap shots better than a pistol grip one. YMMV, but that's just me. |
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No we don't have to register the mags. You don't have to show receipts or proof, as the burden is on them to prove you have them illegally. You must have POSSESSED the magazine IN California PRIOR to 1-1-2000. For one thing, the weapon and magazine has to be designed prior to the ban. Stuff like FN SCAR17s wouldn't cut it. Also, the ban took effect 15 years ago. So if you are just 21 it would be hard to say you had the mags when you were 7. For example: I am 63 years old. I was military active and reserve 7 years, and full time law enforcement for over 20 years. I was also an FFL for 20 years from 1986 to 2006, and did gunshows and sold mags and military stuff in Shotgun news. Also, I had an AR and a Chinese AK I registered in 1990 under the Roberti-Roos AW ban. I also carried an M1 carbine much of my career as an LEO 1982 to 1998, and my Glock 19 was my department carry weapon since 1994. Those factors all create a legal probability I had magazines for those weapons before 2000, because I had weapons for the magazines before the ban. Then there are rebuild kits. You can "rebuild " a high cap mag you possessed prior to 1-1-2000. Until 1-1-14, you could buy disassembled high caps to use for parts to rebuild you mags. Many did get made into illegal magazines, rather than replace parts. We can still get individual parts to fix magazines. It is a good policy to keep at least a part of the old magazine, though to prove it existed. Besides a dozen very good com-bloc AK steel mags, I had 6 old beat up com-bloc AK mags in my cull box: rusted, bent, dented, etc. that were no longer reliable. I rebuilt those with Tapco smooth side orange magazine bodies and base plates, using the original springs and magazine base plate locking plates. I kept the old magazine base plates and followers to show the old mags existed. It is very murky, and they do not try to clarify it. Quoted:
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Ok I have to ask. Did you have to register the mags? Does the government track what mags were their preban? What stopping someone from driving into another state and buying mags and driving back in and saying they are preban? No we don't have to register the mags. You don't have to show receipts or proof, as the burden is on them to prove you have them illegally. You must have POSSESSED the magazine IN California PRIOR to 1-1-2000. For one thing, the weapon and magazine has to be designed prior to the ban. Stuff like FN SCAR17s wouldn't cut it. Also, the ban took effect 15 years ago. So if you are just 21 it would be hard to say you had the mags when you were 7. For example: I am 63 years old. I was military active and reserve 7 years, and full time law enforcement for over 20 years. I was also an FFL for 20 years from 1986 to 2006, and did gunshows and sold mags and military stuff in Shotgun news. Also, I had an AR and a Chinese AK I registered in 1990 under the Roberti-Roos AW ban. I also carried an M1 carbine much of my career as an LEO 1982 to 1998, and my Glock 19 was my department carry weapon since 1994. Those factors all create a legal probability I had magazines for those weapons before 2000, because I had weapons for the magazines before the ban. Then there are rebuild kits. You can "rebuild " a high cap mag you possessed prior to 1-1-2000. Until 1-1-14, you could buy disassembled high caps to use for parts to rebuild you mags. Many did get made into illegal magazines, rather than replace parts. We can still get individual parts to fix magazines. It is a good policy to keep at least a part of the old magazine, though to prove it existed. Besides a dozen very good com-bloc AK steel mags, I had 6 old beat up com-bloc AK mags in my cull box: rusted, bent, dented, etc. that were no longer reliable. I rebuilt those with Tapco smooth side orange magazine bodies and base plates, using the original springs and magazine base plate locking plates. I kept the old magazine base plates and followers to show the old mags existed. It is very murky, and they do not try to clarify it. Thanks for the answers |
Yep beginning in 2018, all new California gun buyers just turning 18 will have NO legal way to have been in possession of+10 round mags.
If you were born before the ban went into effect who's to say your dad, uncle, grandpa or whoever didn't give you 100 mags on the day you were born? |
| Yep. Another trap people fall into is that they moved to California after 2000! I was a California LEO, and even though I left the state 2007 to 2011, I was able to bring them back, as I had them in California before I left, the same as the 2005 Subaru I took with me and brought back. |
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Yep. Another trap people fall into is that they moved to California after 2000! I was a California LEO, and even though I left the state 2007 to 2011, I was able to bring them back, as I had them in California before I left, the same as the 2005 Subaru I took with me and brought back. Did you get to keep your Roberti-Roos registered A.W's? |
| I still had my M1 Carbine and Glock, but I actually sold the AR and AK in about 2000 after I was forced out on disability retirement, otherwise I could have. I hung on to the mags, though, in case I moved out of state. Then the law clarified, and we have off list lowers, bullet buttons, and the concept of "featureless builds: (inspired my M1 carbines and Mini-14s) |
| Until recently, I also had a Mini-14 5.56 with a stack of pre-ban mags (I had a Mini as an LEO Trunk weapon 1995-6). However, with two incredibly reliable and accurate 5.56 AR15s, an M1 Carbine, and the factory Saiga, I decided it was excess, and sold it for another non-gun project. As house guns, the M1 carbine and the Saiga have me spoiled as house weapons.. The USGI Inland Carbine (sweet rebuild with a new Underwood barrel with ME of "0") is lighter (and more accurate than the Mini), and as effective 100 yards and under, especially loaded with my Hornady 110 FTX Critical Defense ammo (110 bullet at 2,025 fps and 1,000 ft lbs ME). Also, as far as the Mini, it can't do anything that the Saiga doesn't do better. Seriously, 30 rounds of Ulyanovsk 8M3 Sapsan 124 HPs, is a wonderful antidote for Zombies, Goblins, Banditos, maladroits indulging in Civil Disorder, and Raving Insurrectionists! |
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