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Posted: 8/2/2009 5:54:50 AM EDT
| Just noticed that Romanian underfolders are available now. I'm seeing them priced at around $500. Wondering if they are a good deal, or if one should buck up the additional $100 and get a Yugo UF.... |
| Just WASR rifles with underfolding buttstocks. The prices vary but if you could find one for $500, it might not be too bad of a deal. A lot of folks like them because of their durability and price. If you can do another $100 to get a Yugo underfolder, that might be money better spent. At least the Yugo retains the traditional look of what it's a clone of. The WASR lacks the dimples, unfortunately, but it's of little concern to some folks. |
| I got one from one of my locals dealers for $484 otd. Guns is made from a 1971 demilled numbers matching kit. These are not the guns made from mil reject parts. Tapco G2 trigger group, compensator, and bayonet lug are all good. Sight base is good to go and everything is solid. Much better quality than a WASR 10, possibly on par with a Yugo. |
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These are not the guns made from mil reject parts. There is no evidence that any WASR was ever made from reject parts. 
The barrel is chrome lined.Your rifle is a 10/63, made from a rifle that was demilled and rebuilt on a single stack receiver. The Romanians started doing that AFTER the barrel ban. The fact that previous rifles do not have an arsenal mark is not evidence that the parts are "reject". Trunnions produced for a commercial rifle would not necessarily have the mark. Evidence that the parts are reject would consist of measuring the parts and comparing them to the Romanian specifications for the parts. I invite you to post the Romanian specifications.
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| All models without the arsenal markings were made for the civilian market. G code rifles are semi auto from the civil guard and should be trunnion marked with a military stamp. There is no such thing as a military WASR with no stamp or a civilian production WASR with a stamp. |
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All models without the arsenal markings were made for the civilian market. G code rifles are semi auto from the civil guard and should be trunnion marked with a military stamp. There is no such thing as a military WASR with no stamp or a civilian production WASR with a stamp. As a matter of fact, there are Romanian military issued rifles that were made without any acceptance (arsenal) mark. I helped a friend build a rifle from a kit made from such a rifle. I'm not sure what you mean by a "military WASR". No nation has ever issued a WASR. It's a rifle built exclusively for export. In fact it's named for an arms control agreement - the Wassenaar Arrangement. Last, the presence or absence of an acceptance mark is not evidence that the rifle was built from "reject" parts, which was your original claim. Depending on the pattern of the serial number (military serial numbering is different than the numbering used on rifles originally built for civilian use), the absence of the mark is evidence: 1. That the rifle was issued by the Romanian military without the mark; or 2. The trunnion was originally used in a civilian rifle. |
| I have seen a few of these at the local gun shop. They look ok. Some of the underfolding stocks folded under crooked. The push button on one of the rifle was completely seized up. Just like with any Romanian rifle I think you should probably buy it in person to make sure you don't get a lemon. I have also heard that some of the WASRs were made using new production military parts that were out of spec. |
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All models without the arsenal markings were made for the civilian market. G code rifles are semi auto from the civil guard and should be trunnion marked with a military stamp. There is no such thing as a military WASR with no stamp or a civilian production WASR with a stamp. As a matter of fact, there are Romanian military issued rifles that were made without any acceptance (arsenal) mark. I helped a friend build a rifle from a kit made from such a rifle. I'm not sure what you mean by a "military WASR". No nation has ever issued a WASR. It's a rifle built exclusively for export. In fact it's named for an arms control agreement - the Wassenaar Arrangement. Last, the presence or absence of an acceptance mark is not evidence that the rifle was built from "reject" parts, which was your original claim. Depending on the pattern of the serial number (military serial numbering is different than the numbering used on rifles originally built for civilian use), the absence of the mark is evidence: 1. That the rifle was issued by the Romanian military without the mark; or 2. The trunnion was originally used in a civilian rifle. Wow you learn something new everyday! I'll have to check that out but I remember when the term WASR was one of those unknowns. Thanks. |
"reject parts" because its for the civilian market..... 
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All models without the arsenal markings were made for the civilian market. G code rifles are semi auto from the civil guard and should be trunnion marked with a military stamp. There is no such thing as a military WASR with no stamp or a civilian production WASR with a stamp. As a matter of fact, there are Romanian military issued rifles that were made without any acceptance (arsenal) mark. I helped a friend build a rifle from a kit made from such a rifle. I'm not sure what you mean by a "military WASR". No nation has ever issued a WASR. It's a rifle built exclusively for export. In fact it's named for an arms control agreement - the Wassenaar Arrangement. Last, the presence or absence of an acceptance mark is not evidence that the rifle was built from "reject" parts, which was your original claim. Depending on the pattern of the serial number (military serial numbering is different than the numbering used on rifles originally built for civilian use), the absence of the mark is evidence: 1. That the rifle was issued by the Romanian military without the mark; or 2. The trunnion was originally used in a civilian rifle. lol wut? G-code WASRs were built for the Romanian civil guard. |
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All models without the arsenal markings were made for the civilian market. G code rifles are semi auto from the civil guard and should be trunnion marked with a military stamp. There is no such thing as a military WASR with no stamp or a civilian production WASR with a stamp. As a matter of fact, there are Romanian military issued rifles that were made without any acceptance (arsenal) mark. I helped a friend build a rifle from a kit made from such a rifle. I'm not sure what you mean by a "military WASR". No nation has ever issued a WASR. It's a rifle built exclusively for export. In fact it's named for an arms control agreement - the Wassenaar Arrangement. Last, the presence or absence of an acceptance mark is not evidence that the rifle was built from "reject" parts, which was your original claim. Depending on the pattern of the serial number (military serial numbering is different than the numbering used on rifles originally built for civilian use), the absence of the mark is evidence: 1. That the rifle was issued by the Romanian military without the mark; or 2. The trunnion was originally used in a civilian rifle. lol wut? G-code WASRs were built for the Romanian civil guard. The laughter you hear isn't your own. You've obviously never seen a "G" kit.  I have. In fact, I've built several rifles from "G" kits. The rifles were made on a standard AKM receiver (you know, the one with the "dimples" which accept standard AK magazines), complete with auto/safety sear, but utilizing a disconnector that did not interface with the selector lever, thus making the rifle SA only. Since it had the evil third hole, the receiver is a "machine gun" in the eyes of the BATFE and cannot be imported.
Since the barrel ban made importing barrels illegal, the Romanians started demilling rifles (including some "G" rifles) and rebuilding them on single stack receivers (you know, the ones that only accept 10 shot magazines and don't have "dimples") that can be imported (and don't count as military weapons under the terms of the Wassenaar Arrangement). The resulting rifles are modified by Century after they reach this country to accept standard AK magazines and are sold as the WASR 10/63, no matter whether the original rifle was a semiautomatic "G" rifle or one that was made for the Romanian military as a select fire rifle. No nation ever issued any rifle in the configuration of the WASR.
Last you might ponder this: If you think the Romanians built something called the "G-code WASR" in the 70's and 80's, how did they manage to name those rifles for an arms control agreement that didn't exist until the 90's? |
| True, but G-code WASRs usually have the majority of their parts from military issued numbers matching guns. Century imports them built into single stack WASR receivers, and then dremels them out into double stack configuration, installing a TAPCO G2 trgger group along the way. This is opposed to the Cugir produced weapons that are build for the export civilian market from the get go/. |
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True, but G-code WASRs usually have the majority of their parts from military issued numbers matching guns. ...Snip... This is opposed to the Cugir produced weapons that are build for the export civilian market from the get go/. You just don't get it do you?
"G" rifles were NOT, REPEAT NOT, military rifles. They were produced for the Romanian Civil (as in civilian, that is not military) Guard (as in "G"). Exactly what is the difference between the parts made by Cugir for assembly into rifles for export and the parts made by Cugir for assembly into rifles for the Civil Guard? 
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Hmmmm the only difference between a military MD-63 and a "Romy G" is the disconnector and a "G" on the gas block. Both are MD-63's.
the wasr-10 is the civilian rifle. I had a wasr 10/63 UF. This one had the wasr dimpleless receiver (with the XYX pin locations) but the front half of it was a romy "G" (with the G ground off(you could see where it was) and the under fold stock was from a MD-65. The fore grips (melt in your hand ,not in your mouth LOL) and pistol grip were Century parts also the fcg and piston and muzzle brake (to comply with 922r)..(i once owned a 2004 wasr -10 but sold it and will never admit owning one LOL) Not to flame pam,but i have both "G" and MD-63 kits.There is NO DIFFERENCE between them besides the DISCONNECTOR and the "G" STAMP on the gas block. (sometimes a variance on the stampings on the front trunnions). Pancake Wasr's are export rifles for civilian use.They were never military.some gun shops call them "Military Version" because some have a bayonet lug and slant brake. but wasr-10's are just wasr-10's,some are good, some need a bit of TLC to correct the boo boo's.Wasr 10/75's are a lot better and wasr 10/63's seem to be the best of the three with little or no boo boo's to correct. |
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You've obviously never seen a "G" kit. I have. In fact, I've built several rifles from "G" kits. The rifles were made on a standard AKM receiver (you know, the one with the "dimples" which accept standard AK magazines), complete with auto/safety sear, but utilizing a disconnector that did not interface with the selector lever, thus making the rifle SA only. Since it had the evil third hole, the receiver is a "machine gun" in the eyes of the BATFE and cannot be imported.
As any one who actually read this post would know, I'm fully aware of the difference between a rifle made for the Romanian military and one made for the Romanian Civil Guard. The fact remains that the Romanian military did not issue semiautomatic rifles marked with a "G" on the rsb and a black band on the buttstock. In other words, the "G" rifles were not military issue. |
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Not to flame pam,but i have both "G" and MD-63 kits.There is NO DIFFERENCE between them besides the DISCONNECTOR and the "G" STAMP on the gas block. (sometimes a variance on the stampings on the front trunnions). Not to flame you but the disconnector makes a very large difference to the user. Also, the serial number system was ALWAYS different for the "G" rifles. Last, the black band on the buttstock was the primary way the "G" rifles were distinguished from the military issue rifles. |
| I got my underfolder from J&G... it is non-fucking-functional. The bolt would not go into battery when chambering a round, then the bolt could not be pulled back by hand to remove the round. I had to put the charging handle on a table and press down on the rear of the gun to uncease the bolt. I guess the rumors are true about Century Arms. J&G has great customer service so no issue fixing this bad. m4whore |
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Has anyone got one from Classic Arms? I just picked my romanian up from the ffl i use. It is a typical romanian ak, rough finish. But it has a tight stock. I specifically asked classic to check the front sight base before shipping to make sure that it was not canted and also to make sure there was not any excess magazine wobble. they did both and the gun is good to go. I have not shot it yet and wont until hopefully next week. Good deal for $399. One bonus i found was that the metal oiler that came with the rifle was still full of lube.. 
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