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Posted: 7/29/2006 3:59:39 PM EDT
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thermocafe, Thanks for the awesome reviews and pictures of the milled Vector and the Armory AKs. Those are the best AK reviews I've read. You certainly did your homework and spent alot of time and money. I've been trying to decide between the Vector milled and the Armory SSR and now I know I will be happy with either one. |
That would chap my ass to have a dealer finger fuck my rifle before transfer. Remember reading about a dealer in the Houston area that would range test transfers if it was a interesting gun. A few people had NIB guns that were collectabile in their pristine state and the transfer dealer would blow a few mags through them with out the owners permission. Hootbro |
When you say Karate chop part (I need to learn the manual of arms for AKs) I presume you mean the part that is on the pinky side (e.g. palm away from gun back of hand toward it?)? Any other tips you have would be great - I pick up my two new AKs on Sunday - and I have one of these on order (after your post) for my old man. |
Great help - thanks! Any advice on quick mag changes? |
thermocafe, Not sure I agree with your charging and zeroing methods, but then again I have simply never seen them performed that way. In my limited experience there are two primary ways to charge a Kalashnikov variant: The first is the "turn and slap" method where the shooter turns the carbine 45 - 90 degrees to the left and the support hand then "slaps" the charging handle to the rear using the palm.  The other less common technique is the "underhand charge" where the support hand is brough under the carbine and the index and middle fingers are used to rack the charging handle.  Both of these methods allow the shooter to maintain their strong side hand on the pistol grip and theireyes and carbine pointed toward the threat. As far as zeroing a 7.62x39mm Kalshnikov variant, it was my understanding that zeroing is performed at 100m with the rear leaf sight set at "300" from the prone or bench rested position. Point of impact should be 25cm above point of aim. This method brings the other ranges on the sight into battle zero. You said:
Did you serve in a com-bloc military organization or are you referring to U.S. Army or Marine Corps threat weapons familiarization? Thanks for any clarifying info. |
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it is 25 and 100 meters for AK-47 thermocafe thanks for the charging AK info ... I used the incorrect method. the review of Vector was amazing ... for such a splendid job Vector should send you complimentary milled underfolder ... you deserve it |
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Just got back from the range. At 50yd off a rest, best was Golden Tiger with 1 1/2" 5 shot groups (1 group was 1"). Wolf gave 2" groups at 50yd and shot about a half inch lower. No failures to feed or fire in 140rds including soft point bullets. However, off the bench I had 3 instances of it firing twice with one pull of the trigger. I believe it was "bump firing" as I was gently squeezing the trigger with not holding the rifle as tight and felt the rifle bounce off my shoulder a few times. I have had the same thing when shooting my Garand, but never with other AK's. When not using the bench/sand bags, there were no double fires. It does have a smooth trigger pull which may have contributed. I often find Golden Tiger ammo more accurate than Wolf...too bad it can't be found now. |
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I'm glad to see that you got out to shoot and practice some techniqes. I myself put in about 6 hours worth of square range time in the last week specifically with Kalashnikov variants. The techniques that I referenced are not "my" techniques. Who taught you "your" technique? The second technique that I described is taught by Saulius "Sonny" Puzikas, a former Spetsnaz operator. You can see it displayed in this (rather melodramatic) video: strategosmedia.com/videos/AK-PROMO1.wmv Some may consider this technique fanciful. Personally it is not the one that I use. The first technique is taught by Pat Rogers in his 10-8/EAG AK-47 and Variants Course. This technique is the one that I consider to be most effective. In practice, the carbine need not be rotated or tilted very much at all. What do you mean by "wood handle"? Do you mean the pistol grip? If it is loosening up you can loc-tite the threads in the PG screw. I was recently attempting to establish correct holdovers for both the 5.45 and 7.62 zeroed at 100m. While gathering this data I was also practicing the speed reload and overhand charging techniques, along with transitions. Thanks for sharing your opinions, and keep shooting that AK. |
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Durnit - yesterday spent about 2.5 hours on the range, and now both the stock and the grip came lose. To its credit, it never skipped on any shot. It fired every single time I pulled the trigger. Just a loose buttstock and grip made the drills somewhat tenuous. If they come off, it'll be like holding a magic wand that spews bullets...I wonder if that's why those photos of the Iraqis with AKs showed lots of the wooden-furniture rifles with no buttstock, because they fall off under very heavy field use...hmmmm...just that I've never heard about that before with the AK series... Oh well...just an update for you kind folks. 
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