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6/17/2006 11:07:26 AM EDT
I'm such a dingus. Jimmy Streetman emailed me and told me what the deal is.  Sometimes the mag catch can be just a tiny bit too long. The detent on the mag itself is filed down like a micron or some small amount, just so the mag's finish is gone, and now it fits fine.  (Amazingly, Jimmy said that the warranty would not be affected if I had wanted to file the rifle a TINY amount.)

I was used to the old Romanian ak's in which the mags played around all over the place. With the SSR85C2, the receiver was designed to be milspec, which means the mags won't have the play I was used to.

Now that this one prob is solved, I am all over this weapon. hiscompromise between strength, weight, and cost, 2) the heavy chrome lined hammer forged barrel, 3) double hook trigger. The Armory USA SSR85C2 has all of these, and the price is NOT as high as a comparable condition Norinco 56. Plus, there are a lot of talented Arsenal-of-Bulgaria-trained folks back in AK country (Bulgaria) making this thing, and Armory USA's head designer Mr. Kolev comes from Arsenal of Bulgaria.  

In addition, a) the firing pin is a non-springed flat bar that allows dirt and grime to pass thru maintaining reliability, b) parts compatibility still exists between it and most stamped AKMs (much more common than milled), c) the finish is a military parkerized that does NOT interfere with sight adjustments or tolerances like some other manufacturer's paints etc can, d) sighting: mine was printing tight but low groups, so adjust the sights and this rifles accuracy limit is better than I am able to shoot it in a situation where I "need" it (true for more people than would care to admit), e) the price/quality ratio is superb IMHO, making this a shooter's rifle, and  f) Armory USA is just a fantastic company to deal with, and Jimmy has to be one of the most respectable folks I have been privileged to deal with in the AK community.  And like Toyota, Mr. Streetman's company does seem to be keeping its eye on the future, always developing, trying to find ways of improving customer product.

These are testaments to this rifle's worth taking a chance on. I did, and I will PROBABLY be buying more. I say probably because there is an un-substantiated rumor floating around that Armory will be introducing a milled receiver rifle sometime in the future. If it is a milled receiver AK using the same Bulgarian military AK47 rifles as the SSR85C2, then my bank account is in serious trouble! That would be the absolute closest thing available to a type III we'll ever see...

I've seen a couple of posts complaining about quality issues or whatever. To me, it seems suspiciously like the probs Toyota is facing. People will buy a Toyota, and then NEVER change the oil or do any maintenance whatsoever thinking "well, it's a toyota so i don't have to do anything". At 23,000 miles, when the engine finally explodes, people rant and rave about Toyota's falling quality. It seems the same with these Armory USAs. The customer's expectations are so ridiculous, that nothing can possibly meet them. But you know what? If their owners can prove they changed the oil ONCE in the last year, Toyota will give them a new engine. This is how I see Jimmy at Armory USA. Going way above and beyond what he probably 'should' in an ideal world. Of course, in a society that protects too many people from their own stupidity, 'should' can mean many things. But reading the few posts from people who have had probs with his rifles tells me the 'probs' may lie with something other than the rifle.  These things are the $tuff!! The one good thing about a few people badmouthing the SSR85C2s is that there are more for me, and the supply demand curve stays skewed to the supply side, which means prices don't do the Arsenal, Inc. dance. I plan on throwing a layer of GunKote on this rifle and putting a more comfortable stock on it - all less than $100 total. At just over $500 from Atlantic Firearms (another great company) and the $100 to 'finish' it up, this thing is the best deal going.
6/17/2006 5:59:33 PM EDT
[#1]
Scooped one up today at the gunshow, gave it a good looking over when I got home, this is a really, really nice rifle!


I think I might need another....
6/17/2006 7:20:43 PM EDT
[#2]
Ssssswwweeeeeeeet!!  heyvery good luck with Blaine at Atlantic Firearms.  

So I'm gonna get me another one for now, wood stock this time, and go from there.  I'm working to find heavy type III shaped stocks for this, and once I see if they will work, I might end up going on a real spending frenzy.  he
I can't help but feel like I'm in on some great secret here with these SSR rifles...  
6/18/2006 8:55:19 AM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for the heads up thermocafe!

I ground down the mag that came with my SSR-85C and sure enough, problem solved.

I shot this rife at league on Friday and had some people checking her out. Or was it that they were intrigued by the surefire light i had duct taped to the fore grip??? hear
Great rifle.
6/18/2006 11:43:52 PM EDT
[#4]
Why is this in the Bulgarian AK forum???
6/19/2006 12:19:42 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Why is this in the Bulgarian AK forum???



Picture of thermocafe's rifle with the Made in Bulgaria markings could be one reason.


Could be because Arsenal USA states the SSR-85C-2 is Made in Bulgaria?


Comparing notes on these SSRs, the owner of Armory USA had this to say (quoting him):
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"The SSR-85C-2 project was in response to the knowledge that we could not count long-term on importing barrels and building rifles here. Also behind it was the knowledge that there is a vast pool of under-utilized AK assembly experts in Kazanlak and the surrounding neighborhood in Bulgaria. As a sidebar, there were 18,000 employees at Arsenal when we first started dealing with them, less than 1,000 now.

"We set up a new factory in Bulgaria in cooperation with several friendly companies over there to produce receivers, quite a few parts, and to assemble complete "sporting rifles." This was a long slog, actually took over two years from conception to the first import.

"We have a second set of the 1.6 mm dies over there for this production. This makes three total sets we have paid for, the 1.6mm over there, and a 1mm and a 1.6mm set here. This is one reason we are not jumping through hoops to make RPK receivers. We are "died out" right now.

"We buy pristine Bulgarian AK-47 machineguns from the Ministry of Defense in Bulgaria, dismantle them, and use the parts to build the SSR-85C-2. Most of these rifles are from the early production when the quality control was really tight. Some are screw-in barrels, which we turn down for press fitting, some were later press-in technology.

"To do this, we use all new components in our receiver, with new barrel trunnions, rear trunnions, trigger guards, mag catches, and selector stops. This is the only way we can build military spec rifles. Reusing these components requires reliability compromises that our engineer will not tolerate.

"As a sidebar, on the thread involving our competition, the real important question is not whether they are "parts rifles," the important question is what parts are they reusing.

"So the SSR-85C-2 is built in Bulgaria with a Bulgarian made 1.6mm receiver and Bulgarian military parts. As you are aware, we have to make certain modifications here to adapt it to the US market. The latest versions have the muzzle threaded to 1/2-28 thread, and we are having slant brakes made in that thread for the next batch.

"We have a large shipment ready in Bulgaria waiting on procuring a container date to ship. Should be in the distributors late August.

"This batch will be available with either the pretty blond wood stocks or the black polymer stock set. The buttstocks will be our new polymer butt, with a much improved cheeking surface. The handguards will be Bulgarian polymer till our new molds are ready.

"We have a new distribution arrangement with a group of 12 large distributors, so everyone should be able to find one that their favorite dealer isn't pissed at.

"We are suggesting a retail of $599.99 on these. Actual selling price will be out of our hands, but should be pretty negotiable.

"I think history will look at this as one of the best imported AKs ever. The heavier receiver makes a tremendous difference in both feel and accuracy. The recoil is much more "straight back". It seems to loose a lot of monkey motion that is probably the 1mm receiver flexing in various dimensions when fired.

"The fitting of the parts is quite nice. We have had some teething problems in the early shipments, and have had Ivan over in Bulgaria for the last two months working on details. We are not perfect yet, but as this year goes on, we think we will come as close as anyone ever has in producing Kalashnikovs on a line."
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6/20/2006 12:57:36 AM EDT
[#6]
I know the SSR85C2 is Bulgarian, that is not what I meant by the question- basically it sounded like magazines didn't fit then five paragraphs about figuring out that using a file on the catch would fix it plus some amazing qualities etc. Just not sure why this whole thing got started here in the Bulgarian forum when it sounds more like a gunsmithing issue or QC issue.
6/20/2006 1:05:56 AM EDT
[#7]
because he only has 18 posts and new people post in all the wrong forums.
7/1/2006 5:32:06 PM EDT
[#8]
What's the best scope for my AK?
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