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Posted: 7/26/2009 6:57:15 PM EDT
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I've got a SAR-1 with a Tapco G2 trigger. When I slowly squeeze the trigger, it will give me a quick 2 round burst some of the time. If I pull the trigger sharply it won't. When shooting off the bench at 100 yds for group accuracy, a slow steady squeeze is desireable for better accuracy, and I like to pull through for reset for the next round.
Anybody know what could be done to fix this? Thanks |
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I have had both AK's and AR's do this to me. It seems to be a form of unintentional bump firing. This 
Stage the trigger...... Your going slowly, but not completely  Most AKs w/ a good trigger will do this. When you squeeze a round off, complete the squeeze
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I have had both AK's and AR's do this to me. It seems to be a form of unintentional bump firing. This
Stage the trigger...... Your going slowly, but not completely Most AKs w/ a good trigger will do this. When you squeeze a round off, complete the squeezeThat's what I'm striving for with every shot - trigger reset. Yes, it does have a "good trigger" Maybe if I pull harder into my shoulder, It might not give me an inadvertent bump fire. It seems that this might be the nature of the beast, with these G2 triggers.... i don't know. |
| your disconnector probably isn't snagging the ass end of the hammer as it should be. The second shot sounds like it's just slam-firing. The fix, stone down the leading edge of the disconnector so it will be able to "lean" further forward and catch the hammer as the bolt travels rearward. I do suggest taking your rifle to a competent gunsmith if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself. Better safe than sorry. |
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I have had both AK's and AR's do this to me. It seems to be a form of unintentional bump firing. This
Stage the trigger...... Your going slowly, but not completely Most AKs w/ a good trigger will do this. When you squeeze a round off, complete the squeezeI noticed with my AR that this was usually with a Superior lower with the travel set real short and the rifle loosely tucked into my shoulder. |
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your disconnector probably isn't snagging the ass end of the hammer as it should be. The second shot sounds like it's just slam-firing. The fix, stone down the leading edge of the disconnector so it will be able to "lean" further forward and catch the hammer as the bolt travels rearward. I do suggest taking your rifle to a competent gunsmith if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself. Better safe than sorry. I took the top cover off to see what was going on with a function test. When cycling the bolt after pulling the trigger to drop the hammer, I would hold the trigger back to cycle the bolt again and the disconnector was holding the hammer just fine, so I don't believe it has "hammer folow" that was making it double. I took the FCG out of the receiver and lightly filed the rough places then stoned them smooth, though I didn't change any angles. The disconnector hook needed the most work & the mold seam on the hammer did also. The back end of the hammer where the trigger hook engages wasen't bad. I've got to get a retainer plate for the trigger & hammer pin retention - that sheperds hook wire was tuff to get back in right. Appreciate the help, fellas. |
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Without hijacking this thread...a year ago I probably would have replied the same to NoHarmNoFal statement, however after reading about a case that happened a year or two ago I have to agree. The Feds prosecuted and CONVICTED a guy for illegal possession of a full auto weapon because his illegal machine gun turned out to be a AR15 whose trigger retaining pin had slipped out and allowed a slam fire. Even though it was a mechanical defect he lost his rifle, got a felony conviction and is spending alot of coin to appeal. Get it fixed and until you do avoid shooting it (at least at any public range). Just be very cautious....
Besides, they've repainted the helecopters gunship grey
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When did you buy the trigger set? Tapco had a small lot of triggers with the disco spring hole drilled too deep that allowed the disconnector to not work properly.
Pics and explanation here |
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I have had both AK's and AR's do this to me. It seems to be a form of unintentional bump firing. +1 to this. +1...it also happens when shooting an M1A or Garand off the bench and not following through with the trigger....shooting offhand it rarely occurs... |
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I didn't purchase or install the G2 trigger. It was allready in there when I got the rifle.
I did check the spring depth yesterday when I disassembled the FCG and it was as it should be. Oh no.... now there's another guy scared of helicopters coming in - but in another color. 
Guys, if I do get locked up for this, at least it will be by folks I know. I do most all of my shooting at the County SO's range. They don't even have helicopters, but they do have tazers. 
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Well, I shot my AK again today. Off hand it wouldn't double but as soon as I got back on the bench it did.
I tried something different: Instead of trying to pull the trigger all the way through, I would just let off the trigger as soon it broke. It didn't double on me after that. Called Tapco today and talked to the CS lady. She said to return the trigger in exchange for a new one. Reckon I'll be doing that. |
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While it is possible that it is one of the "too deep" disconnector holes, it is a common issue with some trigger groups.
I was frustrated to have 50% of my NDS-2/G2 combinations doubling on me. I have a sensitive trigger pull. I've taken CAI guns, romy guns with CAI, G2 and Arsenal triggers and gotten hammer follow out of them - even when the owner never had a problem. You probably wont if you mash the trigger back. Sometines it might be bump firing, but mostly I think its just the height of the rails relative to the hammer & trigger holes on the receiver, combined with the height of the disconnector and hammer shelf on the fire control group. The bolt carrier just can't push the hammer low enough to catch all the time. I spend a couple weeks working out the exact measurements so that I could modify 400 G2 trigger groups ahead of time. I hate having to remove a trigger group again after install, so I wanted a standard that would work in all the Nodak receivers. Follow these steps, and you won't have hammer follow. AK Notes Page |
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Thank you for the link, Mark.
It's interesting to note, that the FCG's are hand fitted at the factories and are not interchangeable. You have done well in figuring out the angles needed on the G2 FCG for the NoDak Spud receivers. I understand stacking tolerances, and these are more than subtle changes you are making on the trigger hooks, disconnector & hammer shelf. I'll try this other G2 trigger Tapco is sending me, but I doubt it will be any different, and still double on me when trying to pull the trigger through to reset. I'll probably try an Arsenal trigger if this doesn't work. |
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while it is possible that it is one of the "too deep" disconnector holes, it is a common issue with some trigger groups. So common that I spend a couple weeks working out the exact measurements to prevent it, by consistently modifying all trigger groups ahead of time. It sucks to have to install and remove over and over, so if you follow these steps, you will never have to. http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/notes/aktrigger/pageaktrigger.htm Nicely done. |
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I didn't purchase or install the G2 trigger. It was allready in there when I got the rifle. I did check the spring depth yesterday when I disassembled the FCG and it was as it should be. Oh no.... now there's another guy scared of helicopters coming in - but in another color.
Guys, if I do get locked up for this, at least it will be by folks I know. I do most all of my shooting at the County SO's range. They don't even have helicopters, but they do have tazers. It aint the SO you need to worry about . It would be the Feds . :-( God bless Wyr |
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Don't be David Olofson's roomate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB237rfvHys http://www.lawandfreedom.com/ If you have not resolved an issue like this, you might want to keep the gun's parts in 2 locations, so it may not be "readily made into a machine gun" Definition of a machine gun is a gun that fires more than once by a single action of the trigger. Here come the choppers!
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Well, I've not been back to check this thread out in a couple of months. Figured it would of been burried 10 pages back.
I received a new G2 trigger from Tapco, and installed it in my SAR-1. It will do the same as the other one. I've recently bought a Bulgarian AK74 with a G2 trigger, and it will ALSO... do the same. No big deal. I've learned how to keep them from doubleing...Don't pull through to re-set the trigger, when slowly squeezing a round off, from the bench. And yea, it'll still do it when pulling the rifle HARD into my shoulder. |
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Don't fuck around with this.... Send the AK to Arizona Response Systems, and have a worry free existence with that rifle. I would never ever risk having that rifle in my possession. Re: Olympic Arms debacle Your avatar explains it all. The feds are coming for you & your woman, in their black - no, gray helicopter because they know you have a G2 FCG in you AK... while your buddies are shooting at them. 
How about all the other folks that have G2's in their AK's? Are they fuckin around too???
Look - I do believe I could make ANY AK with a G2 trigger do this. Go to the other AK forums on the net and look under their trouble shooting sections. You will find numerous cases of others that have had the same thing happen with their AK with the FCG in question, but will use terms like doubleing, slam fires, or two shots for one trigger pull & such. I believe the term I used "burst" is what's gotten a few on here so frightened. |
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Don't fuck around with this.... Send the AK to Arizona Response Systems, and have a worry free existence with that rifle. I would never ever risk having that rifle in my possession. Re: Olympic Arms debacle Your avatar explains it all. The feds are coming for you & your woman, in their black - no, gray helicopter because they know you have a G2 FCG in you AK... while your buddies are shooting at them.
How about all the other folks that have G2's in their AK's? Are they fuckin around too???
Look - I do believe I could make ANY AK with a G2 trigger do this. Go to the other AK forums on the net and look under their trouble shooting sections. You will find numerous cases of others that have had the same thing happen with their AK with the FCG in question, but will use terms like doubleing, slam fires, or two shots for one trigger pull & such. I believe the term I used "burst" is what's gotten a few on here so frightened. Tapco G2: If it doesn't cause a slam fire where your face gets destroyed, it will get you sent to prison where your ass will be destroyed. |
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Actually, my avatar:
What you see are VNAF H-34s "King Bees", C-119s, Paratroopers, NVA/VC, and an American advisor rescuing a Vietnamese damsel. As for your trigger, I don't give a fuck... If you ever have a "double" at a public range, and someone drops a dime on you... Well... A smart man learns from his own mistakes, a wise man learns from others....
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Actually, my avatar: What you see are VNAF H-34s "King Bees", C-119s, Paratroopers, NVA/VC, and an American advisor rescuing a Vietnamese damsel. As for your trigger, I don't give a fuck... If you ever have a "double" at a public range, and someone drops a dime on you... Well... A smart man learns from his own mistakes, a wise man learns from others....
No dime to be droped, as I don't shoot at a public range. I don't give a fuck about the triggers any more, either. |
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