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Posted: 6/28/2006 11:40:51 AM EDT
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Im going to buy my first AK soon and I have been looking at the WASR-10 from Atlantic. But I hear so much bad about these rifles, what are the problems? All I hear is "What A Shitty Rifle" I have heard about trigger slap and mag wobble, but cant those be fixed by buying a new trigger and getting Polish waffle mags? Are they really as unaccurate as people say or are they just whiners? What kind of moa do they get? Thanks for any info. |
| I have one that I just put a scope on, but I can't shoot it to figure out how it groups becuase my local range is closed. It's been closed this whole month. Sigh! Some fool fired at a 45 degree angle or something into the air and some bullets landed in someone's yard, and now it's closed indefinitely...it might be closed forever too. And I don't think there are many other places to go here, besides out in the woods. |
Polish waffle mags? Where do you get Polish waffle mags? Never heard of them. |
| Trigger slap is caused by a faulty fire control group, and changing a magazine will not fix it. I tried using a dremel to fix my F.C.G. but it had no effect. I'm going to have to buy a new FCG that's made by TAPCO. Trigger slap hurts! The trigger actually slaps your finger after you pull it back. It's like the trigger says "Ok son, you pushed on me, so now I'm going to push back, see how you like it>" Ow! |
I figured if its an AK and it will run, thats whats for me. How much different can a Vector or SSR be? All i need for accuracy is 6 inch groups or better at 100 yards, otherwise Ill switch to my .270. Is there something seriously wrong with the WASR, or something considerably better about the SSR or Vector? This deciding stuff is getting me angry, first I had to decide FAL, AR, or AK, now I gotta choose which AK and along the way I have been tempted to go back to FAL or AR, why can't I just get money and buy the best of each?! 
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Mike, There's nothing wrong with a WASR, if that's what you want. But, IMO, there is a difference in quality...not just the finish. Even Romanian AK fans out there would tell you that given a choice between the SAR1 and a WASR, they'd opt for the SAR1 every time. Would you settle on a Hesse AR vs. a RRA or Bushmaster simply because it's "good enough?" No. A WASR that comes equipped with two mags, bayonet, pouch, et al, is very appealing to some members. Hell, it's appealing to me! An offer like that is simply too good to pass up, for the beginner AK aficionado or a person on a limited budget. But, "bang-for-the-buck" means different things to different people. Why do people want to upgrade their vehicles, or for that matter, a house? A Chevy Cavalier will do the job getting you from point A to point B, but do you want to settle for a Cavalier if you have the means to upgrade? You seem like an individual who is looking to make a "step up" from "good enough." All I'm saying is, if you have the money to spend, why not get a rifle that has a fantastic warranty and is sure to be a "keeper" in the years to come. |
| Don't think a wasr is that low they shoot as good as any other and if there is a problem it don't take a rocket scientist to get it right.I pretty much shot all the aks around and then some you probably won't see in this country and I willsay they will do as good as any.Most all the crap talked is by the people that always want to cry about something.Hell,I went to buy one just to see what they were crying about and noticed that it shot as good a group as any I ever shot;and is just as reliable.They come with a g2 trigger group,have barrels that were usally old ak issues that were from the 80's and lack dimples.The lack of dimples make some of these know it always stay up at night tossing and turning but bottom line it aint gonna matter.I noticed one thing a long time ago about aks if you use the right ammo and and really use the sights they will do the rest and the wasr is no different .You should get one if it aint striaght you can get it done with out much trouble. |
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wasr's are fine rifles. if you get a wasr-gp it comes with the tapco trigger group already in it, no trigger slap. the finish is kind of rough, but if you refinish the stock it will look pretty nice. vector's are nice, but the romy is built on a tru com-block reciever which is nice for a rifle under $350 |
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I got my WASR-10 a few months ago at a gun show. It was brand new in box, came with two mags, cleaning kit, bayonet, sheath, and a pouch. I paid 349.99 for it, plus tax. I love it. It took me 3 tries to get all of the cosmoline out but once I did it fired flawlessly. The accuracy is decent. I never really grouped it but a six inch group at 100 yrds. is very do-able with it. I was getting maybe 4 inch groups at 100 with Wolf ammo, I didn't really measure, and it was a week or so ago that I shot it. You just have to look at it good before you buy it. Make sure a double stack mag fits in good. Mine had some extra metal around the magwell that needed to be filed off. The finish isn't very good, but I didn't buy it to be pretty, so that doesn't bother me. All in all its a nice rifle. Just be sure to give it a nice bath in break cleaner to get the cosmoline out before you fire it. Nic |
trigger slap is not always as bad as people say some a vicious slap and some push while others do nothing? as far as the wobble goes polish slabsides and bulgy waffles will take care of that. the finish could be better but if its going to see much real use it doesnt matter as it will get scratched and scraped any way. reliability same as any other high quality akm variant. as for groups well i never shot for groups but i would say my wasr10 shoots about 6 moa at 200 yards. i base that soley on the fact that i can consistently hit a clay pigeon at that distance. and that is with wolf probably around 4.5 to 5 moa with chinese ammo. (loaded hotter and correct diameter for the barrel. and most people who tell you that the akm is inacurate or cant hit the braod side of a barn at 50 yards is full of shit. if you have any other questions just shoot me an im and i will try to help and for reference not all wasr 10's are ugly.  that thing has been compleatly burried in mud and picked up only to fire a total of 105 rounds (30 round mag and 75 round drum) with no failures. total of around 5-6k rounds through it |
 There is mine with Fiberforce stock, Kobra, and bulgarian waffle mag. The waffle mag does not allow mag wobble, but mag wobble does not matter. I have 6 mags, only one bulgy waffle mag. I have experienced NO trigger slap, no failures to feed, no failures to fire, nothing, after about 2000 rounds through it. I have fired primarily wolf but some brown bear. I have fired FMJ, Hollow Point, and Soft Point. All 3 work fine. I have not shot a 100 yard grouping, but, at 25 and 50 yards it is very fine (a couple inches at most, and I'm no expert). It reliably hits a 5-6 inch steel target at 50-80 yards, using the kobra, very fast target acquisition and very controllable. Weighing in at $350 average price or so, until I see, with my own eyes, an AK-47 that outclasses the GP-WASR-10 and is still under $500, it gets my "best bang for the buck" stamp. I would pay little attention to what you read on this website though, even what I just said... everyone here votes for what they've got 9 times out of 10... you've got people who believe that 5.56 is the most accurate and deadly round ever tooled by man, and that will argue with you that "shot placement" is the most important factor in a gunfight (knowing that shot placement is not an option in a standard shootout encounter with targets behind cover, etc)... I just tell and show ya what I've got and what kind of performance i get out of it, and i hope you'll get one too and run out and put some down range and come back and tell us how you liked it. Even the comment about the SAR-1 above, I can't give much credit to, as I have a friend with 2 SARs, and he refers to them as "shitty". Anyway, good luck. |
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I really do like the WASRs - I've never had a failure of any kind and they really don't look too bad IMO. Here are a few of mine... Maadi on left, 2A1 Enfield .308; right are 2 WASR-10's w/K-Var furniture (one w/Kobra):  WASR-10 & FAL, both from Military Gun Supply: 
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I just purchased a WASR from a gunshow a few weeks ago, I've shot it twice and its shot great. I had a feed error or two, but I think that was because the mag bumped against the bench while firing. Is there any FAQ on the AK series that could help me out with purchasing the correct fluid to fill the small bottle that came with it? Also anything else I should know since I just turned to the dark side? |
yes in the ak refernce section just under the ak discussion. other than that get mags and ammo. and if you got the crappy plastic folding stock then ditch it for wood or a romy wire folder. then get more mags and ammo  welcome to the dark side
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I bought a WASR-10 at a local shop for 329, haven't had any problems with it except for the cheap folding stock, I'm looking into getting an original wood buttstock or one of the metal side folders. But as far as fit/finish/function goes I haven't had any problems whatsoever. Well worth the money in my book. |
Thankfully I purchased a wooden stock version, too bad it didn't come with a bayonet. HP I think I'm good on mags right now though, I have two metal and one plastic waffle mag. |
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