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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:35:03 PM EDT
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Well where do I begin, as of right now I am still waiting for Joe to call me back. I have two serious issues with JoeKen and I have left a message for him to call me on Friday with the option to also call me over the weekend and so far nothing.

I have 2 members with two very serious issues. I am not going to get into the details the two members have with Joeken but both are serious and one of them has much to do with Guns Network involvement. They came to me after both have been trying for many months to get Joe or someone from Joeken fix there problems. This is not easy for me but as of right now Guns Networks relationship with JoeKen is at a crossroads and impass you might say. At this time I have no choice but to unplug the Joeken forum and whether it is for good and our relationship is terminated will be up to Joe and the decisions he makes.

Both members have been upfront with me and I have no reason to even doubt what they have had to say and the evidense I was faxed by one of our members is very upsetting. I am posting to let you the members know why you may not seeing Joeken's forum and why it was unplugged.

Joe if you are reading this, I would suggest you call me and if I am in meetings then leave me a time in the evening I can call you. I have tried once again to no avail leaving you two mesaages; one with whomever answers the telephone and one on your cell phone. I also sent you two emails on Friday as well.

Remember everyone this post is just to inform you all that Guns Network has removed Joeken Forum until further notice.


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Today, 05:37 AM #2
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i respect the fact that you have put the concerns and unjust treatment of only 2 members of gunsnet, above a paying advertiser like joeken.
my disagreements with some members and some policies of gunsnet are trivial compared to your gesture of fairness.
your actions are highly respectable.
it demonstrates to me that gunsnet considers justice and fairness above money.

i will become a contributor tonight. long live gunsnet.

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Vive la Resistance! J/K.... kudos for doing the right thing GNS.
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hmmmmm.....

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all I can say, is....

WOW.

Did it really take this much? I have only ordered 1 thing from them, but after so many members......well, better late then never. Thank you. And I honestly mean no disrespect or flame.

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There have been lots of complaints about JK in the last couple years by many members here such as, but not limited to. Late/lost orders, charging your CC then waiting months for a "in stock" item, etc. These JK people will say anything to get your money. It seems they are running some kind of perverted pyramid scam. No wonder they did not want to have folks pick-up stuff. I seriouly don't think it was there in the first place.
Its a shame that the members were not listened to before now. We were even
beat-up on by the mods. if we said too much about JK because he was an advertiser. I tried 2 orders from them and they just sucked. Both orders were for supposedly in-stock items. One took 3 months and the other a month. Whats up with that! Personally, I think that Gun Net should have dropped JK a long time ago. In the future maybe you and the mods will listen to us and not slap us down for exposing bad service. After all that is one of the things this forum is supposed to do for its members. I damn sure want to know if a vender is a good or bad performer before I spend my money. 'bout time!
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Sounds to me like the little girl (Joe) doesn't want to talk to you...
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ya know, I think I've come up with a better idea than closeing the Joke n' forum


Just banish ferd there.....

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ya know, I think I've come up with a better idea than closeing the Joke n' forum


Just banish ferd there.....



Damn man, that aint right.

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YOu cant ban Fred cause he always delivers what he sells!
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The red flags were flying high on JK. Never spent a dime with them. Though it was tempting. Glad to see them gone. They were stinking up the site. papa
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Remember everyone this post is just to inform you all that Guns Network has removed Joeken Forum until further notice.


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Wow, why did it take so long?
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I remember when JoeKen was just a little add in Shotgun news. Noobs would come here asking about the Hesse junk they were selling cheap and we would laugh at them and warn them away from JoeKen.

Their merchandise seems to have improved some, their customer service never did.

Great move getting these guys out of here.

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I remember when JoeKen was just a little add in Shotgun news. Noobs would come here asking about the Hesse junk they were selling cheap and we would laugh at them and warn them away from JoeKen.

Their merchandise seems to have improved some, their customer service never did.

Great move getting these guys out of here.

They've got nice looking adds in SGN and Smallarms Review.

Glad I know better...

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Quote:
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ya know, I think I've come up with a better idea than closeing the Joke n' forum


Just banish ferd there.....


ROTFLMMFAO!!!

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YOu cant ban Fred cause he always delivers what he sells!



Oh God my sides hurt!!!

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Damn shame these folks got the screw outta there hard earned $$$$. Good for U GN!
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Good to see the site admins taking care of business.

(I wouldn't expect anything less--nothing but impressed with this site.)

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I called JoeKen about a 8-Feb-06 order for 10 receivers I placed the had not arived when promised. Joe spent 15 minutes with me on the phone explaining the situation. I promised not to repeat what he told me, but things should clear up in the next few weeks.

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Well, I finally received the replacement brake (I know it is a small item, but customer service is #1, at least to the consumer), on 3-20-06. Joe said the brake would be replaced on 2-19-06.
Even with a simple item, he claimed it was shipped back on 3-8-06, and after I said nothing was received did he do anything about it.
I have spoken face to face with Joe, he is a very nice guy, and I think he means well, he just needs to have better control of his company, the potential is there.
I hope the best for Joe-ken, I don't like to see anyone fail who really tries to do the right thing, but communication is everything, with customers and empoyees alike. Getting some form of consulting on how to improve business practices would be a great idea.
Just my 2/100$.
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Link Posted: 3/23/2006 1:36:59 PM EDT
He'll sweet talk the mods and get back on their good side, then they'll go locking posts again.

I'd be happy if I was wrong though.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:23:20 PM EDT
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Wow, why did it take so long?
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That guy looks familiar.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 4:20:40 AM EDT
Yeah, DThor is such a great guy, he really looks out for his members.

The UnHoly Trinity:

DThor/GunsNet
JoeKen/Hexxe/Vulcan
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Link Posted: 3/24/2006 4:53:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Thekatar:
Yeah, DThor is such a great guy, he really looks out for his members.

The UnHoly Trinity:

DThor/GunsNet
JoeKen/Hexxe/Vulcan
Elite Firearms (TX)




Thekatar,

Don't forget the King, Gunsnet's most imfamous celebrity...." The Gooch " aka Solstice Arms,
aka Gary Gucciano the POS....

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Link Posted: 3/24/2006 5:12:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 5:13:06 AM EDT by krinkfreak]
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