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Posted: 2/25/2006 7:54:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 7:54:30 PM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 5:13:34 AM EDT
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were can I buy a case of 7.62x39 for a good price I see most places are sold out or it's like $160.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 5:52:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 5:54:22 AM EDT
Doesn't effect my life.............
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 5:54:57 AM EDT
The Cheaper than Dirt catalog had Wolf in it. Have you checked online to see if it is in stock?

G
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 5:56:05 AM EDT
Fact.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:00:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glock23carry:
The Cheaper than Dirt catalog had Wolf in it. Have you checked online to see if it is in stock?

G


I checked yesterday and they were sold out.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:03:08 AM EDT
I will bet this is just like the primer scare a few years ago....... caused more by panic buying than anything else.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:04:30 AM EDT
with 50 gazzillion (ya that many) AKs in the world you'd think we'd have enough ammo to fill em all.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:06:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:07:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:11:54 AM EDT by gonzo_beyondo]

Originally Posted By Wave:
the Russians are selling their ammo(and arms) to Iraqi's - the "good" ones and the "bad" ones.

Discuss.



I'm sure the US Govt is dumping alot of 7.62 in Iraq/Afghanistan...

However, Chavez is taking delivery of 100,000 "assault rifles" from Russia, and has deals pending with other nations as well. This is factual info and has been recently reported by the media. Therefore, I'd imagine that while stockpiling the Russian arms, you'd also stockpile the Russian ammo.

Edited to back up my post:
Not only AKs but helos too!

Venezuela’s armed forces will soon receive the first delivery of 100,000 Russian-made Kalashnikov automatic rifles to replace aging FAL rifles. Officials also hope to get Spanish military transport planes and patrol boats and Brazilian aircraft, despite U.S. opposition to the deals.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:07:24 AM EDT
I bought it all up to keep it out of the hands of the children.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:10:10 AM EDT
Yea well what's the explanation for 5.45? I can't find that ANYWHERE
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:10:18 AM EDT
Isnt the 5.45 round being phased out by ComBloc nations?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:10:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:01:13 AM EDT by PhotoKidD100]
Stop the War !!I need my ammo too!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:13:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:14:20 AM EDT by yugosksfan]

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
Isnt the 5.45 round being phased out by ComBloc nations?



Not to my knowledge. Russia is toying around with 5.56, but I don't think they've started to replace the venerable AK-74 yet. I'm not sure about all the other ex-Warsaw Pact countries.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:14:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wave:

Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
I will bet this is just like the primer scare a few years ago....... caused more by panic buying than anything else.



OK, so how do you explain the availability of 5.45x39mm ammunition as well? C'mon there are that many of us gun entusiasts using this amunition all up?



I wouldn't doubt panic buying there either once rumors of a 7.62 shortage popped up..... they never import nearly as much 5.45, and 5.45 owners are more likely to be in touch with the "rumor mill" than the average SKS owner out there is.

Plus I have been here almost a year and not seen a 5.45 AK, and nobody I have talked to in Iraq has either.... so sending it to either place is not a logical explination, but panic buying explains it fine.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:21:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:27:23 AM EDT
5.45X39 is a future ammo headache waiting to happen...

5 or 10 more years, this stuff will be on the same shelf with Etronix rounds and Gyrojet rockets.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:21:15 AM EDT
Wouldn't surprise me.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:16:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:18:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:22:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
I imagine that when Chavez ordered 100,000 AKs, he probably ordered some ammo to go with them.



I have heard but it was completely rumor , that they bought 1 billon rounds of ammo also
I thought that sounded like alot but its only 10K per rifle
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:30:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JCKnife:

Originally Posted By osprey21:
5.45X39 is a future ammo headache waiting to happen...

5 or 10 more years, this stuff will be on the same shelf with Etronix rounds and Gyrojet rockets.



[Homer] 'splain how![/Homer]



Only one current-issue firearm uses it (AK74M).
Only one producing country that I know of issues 5.45 to their military -- Russia -- and that's only because they don't have the budget to change over to 5.56 rifles and be like everyone else on the (com)block.

I'm sure some import brand will keep producing 5.45 so long as there are non-producers like Ukraine that still issue 5.45 rifles; until their regional economies pick up sufficiently and they finally budget in a change-over to a NATO standard rifle.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:33:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Andreuha:

Originally Posted By JCKnife:

Originally Posted By osprey21:
5.45X39 is a future ammo headache waiting to happen...

5 or 10 more years, this stuff will be on the same shelf with Etronix rounds and Gyrojet rockets.



[Homer] 'splain how![/Homer]



Only one current-issue firearm uses it (AK74M).
Only one producing country that I know of issues 5.45 to their military -- Russia -- and that's only because they don't have the budget to change over to 5.56 rifles and be like everyone else on the (com)block.

I'm sure some import brand will keep producing 5.45 so long as there are non-producers like Ukraine that still issue 5.45 rifles; until their regional economies pick up sufficiently and they finally budget in a change-over to a NATO standard rifle.



at least you can get it now
I had one of theose SSG 82s back when you could only get RWS ammo for um
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 10:23:53 AM EDT
The AWB dies, lots of people go and buy new "assault weapons" and now there's not as much ammo out there? It's a mystery! 'Cause it's certainly not because of lots of new people firing lots of rounds out of their new guns.

(My buddy bought his first evil rifle last spring, an Arsenal Inc AK-clone. He has since put about 10,000 rounds through it. He could personally account for any shortage here in MN).
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 10:28:10 AM EDT
No different than the primer shortage of 94. Massive hoarding is going on, mostly due to recent events around the country. Wolf has issued several press releases lately stating they have never had so many orders.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 10:28:52 AM EDT
Let's have some fun with this:


There is a shortage of Russian 7.62x39mm ammunition because....


... Because it all got flooded by Katrina and FEMA didn't care enough to rescue it.

... Because Saddam moved it all to Syria

... Because Dick Cheney shot it all on a hunting trip

... Because RoPers bought it all in anticipation of the cartoon jihad/WWIII

... add your own
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 10:45:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By osprey21:
5.45X39 is a future ammo headache waiting to happen...

5 or 10 more years, this stuff will be on the same shelf with Etronix rounds and Gyrojet rockets.



[Homer] 'splain how![/Homer]
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 10:58:56 AM EDT
Its Bush's fault!


beat yall too it heh
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:08:00 AM EDT
I imagine that when Chavez ordered 100,000 AKs, he probably ordered some ammo to go with them.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:13:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:


However, Chavez is taking delivery of 100,000 "assault rifles" from Russia, and has deals pending with other nations as well. This is factual info and has been recently reported by the media. Therefore, I'd imagine that while stockpiling the Russian arms, you'd also stockpile the Russian ammo.




That probably explains this...

"Molot is working on some large military contracts and has delayed shipment of our next batch of VEPRs. We are trying to get a firm date. In the meantime, those interested in VEPRs should place an order. The orders will be filled on a first come first serve basis."

www.ak47.com
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:20:16 AM EDT
I shot it all.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 7:53:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:47:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:
I bought it all up to keep it out of the hands of the children.




I must have missed some. I just got back from Huntsville and while there saw a bunch. Also XM855PD and XM193 (Lot 111).
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 7:59:37 PM EDT
Last time I bought ammo for my SKS it was $92/1,000 rounds delivered.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 8:01:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By texastactical:

Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
I will bet this is just like the primer scare a few years ago....... caused more by panic buying than anything else.



Damn that sucked didn't it?



Yes it did.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 8:17:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By Wave:
the Russians are selling their ammo(and arms) to Iraqi's - the "good" ones and the "bad" ones.

Discuss.



I'm sure the US Govt is dumping alot of 7.62 in Iraq/Afghanistan...

However, Chavez is taking delivery of 100,000 "assault rifles" from Russia, and has deals pending with other nations as well. This is factual info and has been recently reported by the media. Therefore, I'd imagine that while stockpiling the Russian arms, you'd also stockpile the Russian ammo.

Edited to back up my post:
Not only AKs but helos too!

Venezuela’s armed forces will soon receive the first delivery of 100,000 Russian-made Kalashnikov automatic rifles to replace aging FAL rifles. Officials also hope to get Spanish military transport planes and patrol boats and Brazilian aircraft, despite U.S. opposition to the deals.




when i read this all i hear is that we will start seeing surplus venezulian .308 and fal parts kits on the market as they start to switch over.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 8:23:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
Plus I have been here almost a year and not seen a 5.45 AK, and nobody I have talked to in Iraq has either.... so sending it to either place is not a logical explination, but panic buying explains it fine.




I saw a couple of AK74s in Afghanistan. They belonged to one of the local warlord types that my unit was working with, and his bodyguard/lieutenant/buddy.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 8:36:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STG77:

Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
Plus I have been here almost a year and not seen a 5.45 AK, and nobody I have talked to in Iraq has either.... so sending it to either place is not a logical explination, but panic buying explains it fine.




I saw a couple of AK74s in Afghanistan. They belonged to one of the local warlord types that my unit was working with, and his bodyguard/lieutenant/buddy.



Probably captured from the Soviet/Afghan war...

The only other place that you will see ak74's will be in the Chechnya area.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 9:28:25 PM EDT
Yep, the future of the 5.45x39 (a great round in my opinion) is in question with how the Russians decide to go. I have one 74, I'm on the verge of selling it simply because I can't shoot it.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 9:35:29 PM EDT
hey guys, if you want 7.62 go to equipment exchange and the ak47 parts and accessories and there is a post with that guy from bluebroker.com and he said hes got 300 cases of the shit for 140 a piece. problem solved, but get it fast cuz it will all go quick. I bought 200 rds off the board today for 25 bucks, not bad.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 10:07:34 PM EDT
i just emailed wolf earlier and asked them why. when i get the response ill post it in its own thread under general discussion.
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 12:43:32 AM EDT
Any Military orders would not affect Wolf, as they dont make ammo for the Russian military.

The US Mil has bought allot of 7.62 Barnaul ammo from US importers for the WOT.. Both as training ammo to train the forces, as well as aid to Afghanistan, etc.

Link Posted: 2/26/2006 10:15:02 AM EDT
Wolf reps at the SHOT Show said why the shortage happened.
It wasn't because of any Afgani Space Shuttle Wars nor even Nations stocking up for WWIII.
They quite simply didn't expect the spike in demand last summer and fell behind.
Capitalism, supply, demand and inventory control are still new concepts to the Russians.

The E-Ninjas will never believe this answer, of course.
Just like they thought the 6.8 SPC shortage must be due to the WOT.
After all, how could Remington not be making the ultimate zombie killer by the train load?
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 10:54:19 AM EDT
The 5.45 is in TONS of rifles, not just the 74!

RPK-74
AKS-74U
AN-94
WASR-3
SSR
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 12:25:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Wolf reps at the SHOT Show said why the shortage happened.
It wasn't because of any Afgani Space Shuttle Wars nor even Nations stocking up for WWIII.
They quite simply didn't expect the spike in demand last summer and fell behind.
Capitalism, supply, demand and inventory control are still new concepts to the Russians.



I have to say that is the most logical answer to the shortage!
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 2:44:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/26/2006 2:50:49 PM EDT by Creeper]
Well you guys need to just sit tight. Basically we all know about Chavez, the Iraqi's, and the AWB sunset. A real bad time to dependent on one source of ammo in calibers that come really from one country for the most part. However look on the bright side- Russia will never ever phase out 7.62x39, ever- the reason is because of export. Every country that fields AK's in the third world uses that caliber. 5.45 however will be gone as other speculate because it was never officially adopted outside of Russia, as the Russian are looking to make the official switch to 5.56. The Bulgarians know this as the reason for floods of 5.45 kits being dumped in the US from Bulgaria but also floods of 7.62 parts as other countries are gearing up to 5.56. However notice that 5.56 are the most rare of all parts available- because the Bulgarians and Russians are keeping these for the most part for the switch that may not happen for several years. Esspecially if the US decides to go with some new caliber, so likely they are waiting to see what happens with our ammo situation. Rumors however on various boards are that 5.56 might not ever be adopted except in very fractional numbers by Russia but will be adopted almost by all other com bloc countries once they get their acts together. 5.45 is going to be dropped entirely leaving 7.62 since it has been a staple for so long until they make the switch to 5.56. Also 5.45 will gradually become very expensive, notice the tons of parts, lack of ammo- since these are mostly just being surplused out of the com bloc nations esspecially the largest producers in Bulgaria and Russia. 7.62 will level out once the panic buying stops and the war purchases slow. More than likely though not till after the Iraqi conflict is near over but again 7.62 will never go away, not with so many contracts with that caliber already for export.

Link Posted: 2/26/2006 4:49:49 PM EDT
Damn, I should have bought all that wolf at the gun show for $69 a case a couple of years ago. I'd be sitting good.
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 5:07:05 PM EDT
When I first bought my rifle, I picked up all the shop had on hand. This was around 7 months ago, but 10 boxes of PMC 7.62 for $2ea and 25 boxes of Wolf for $1.50ea. Really pissed me off to call up the same shop a couple of weeks ago and have them tell me that a box of 20 rounds is $8. Out of boredom, I walked into Wal-Mart later that day...$20 for a 40rnd box of Winchester.
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 7:14:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
I imagine that when Chavez ordered 100,000 AKs, he probably ordered some ammo to go with them.



I have heard but it was completely rumor , that they bought 1 billon rounds of ammo also
I thought that sounded like alot but its only 10K per rifle




Completly false! Only a small amount of external X39 was ordered by Chavez. Just enough to hold them over while CAVIM tooled up and which is now producing all X39 used by Venezuelian forces
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