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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:06:47 PM EDT

I am preparing to purchase an AK. I am considering an underfolder. I have not handled on since the ban in 1994.

Please refresh my memory and offer your advise or opinions.

Thank you.

Posted: 12/22/2005 3:30:47 PM EDT

[#1]

Pros- Very compact when folded, handles equally "well" whether you are a righty or a lefty.

Cons- Not the most comfortable stock to use but it is still useable. Some find the underfolding stock AK's to be the most "aesthetically pleasing".

Posted: 12/22/2005 3:35:42 PM EDT

[#2]

Mucho cool factor.

If I remember the cheek weld sucks.

Are they solid when locked into place?

Posted: 12/22/2005 3:43:43 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Mucho cool factor.

If I remember the cheek weld sucks.

Are they solid when locked into place?

Most are pretty solid, but expect to develope some wobble.

There are really two types of underfolders....the original milled receiver type with solid steel struts that have much more drop to them, and the newer AKMS style that uses heavy gauge stampings and have very little drop to the stock, it comes straight back out.

Of the two, I find the original milled struts with more drop to be much more "comfortable".

Yes, cool factor is way high on these....

Posted: 12/22/2005 3:44:49 PM EDT

[#4]

The underfolder is not as good for smacking someone upside the head.

Posted: 12/22/2005 4:05:04 PM EDT

[#5]

The underfolders are very compact.
Shootin' them ain't so bad once you get used to them.
And the most important thing: They look evil.

Posted: 12/22/2005 4:25:12 PM EDT

[#6]

Looks cool!!

Absolutely terrible for shoulder firing!!

Get a Triangle folder!! They look and work awesome!!

It's a win win cit-che-ation!!

Posted: 12/22/2005 6:29:09 PM EDT

[#7]

Try operating the safety with the stock folded.
only drawback.

Posted: 12/22/2005 6:46:07 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Mucho cool factor.

If I remember the cheek weld sucks.

Are they solid when locked into place?

Most are pretty solid, but expect to develope some wobble.

There are really two types of underfolders....the original milled receiver type with solid steel struts that have much more drop to them, and the newer AKMS style that uses heavy gauge stampings and have very little drop to the stock, it comes straight back out.

Of the two, I find the original milled struts with more drop to be much more "comfortable".

Yes, cool factor is way high on these....

Templar,

I've always wondered whether the the underfolder stock with the more pronounced drop or the AKMS type was more comfortable. Why is the milled receiver type more comfortable? Visually it's always seemed to me that the AKMS one would be the more comfortable one with the better cheek weld, not that I'm disagreeing with you since I've never shot either type. Thanks.

Posted: 12/22/2005 7:19:09 PM EDT

[#9]

Mine is the Norinco type and it has a little vertical movement but really like it. It took a little getting used too, by that I mean putting the checck on a piece of steel and then getting comfortable shooting it.

Posted: 12/22/2005 7:20:30 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Mucho cool factor.

If I remember the cheek weld sucks.

Are they solid when locked into place?

Most are pretty solid, but expect to develope some wobble.

There are really two types of underfolders....the original milled receiver type with solid steel struts that have much more drop to them, and the newer AKMS style that uses heavy gauge stampings and have very little drop to the stock, it comes straight back out.

Of the two, I find the original milled struts with more drop to be much more "comfortable".

Yes, cool factor is way high on these....

Templar,

I've always wondered whether the the underfolder stock with the more pronounced drop or the AKMS type was more comfortable. Why is the milled receiver type more comfortable? Visually it's always seemed to me that the AKMS one would be the more comfortable one with the better cheek weld, not that I'm disagreeing with you since I've never shot either type. Thanks.

I've found that the stocks with more drop to them actually let you get a much better sight picture, the AKMS style stocks come straight out and you have to really put your face down on the stock to get a decent sight picture. Also, the milled struts on the AKS-47 are rounded rather than squared off and are a little more comfortable.

Just works better for me.

On my Mitchell M90, the safety has a wing on it, the Yugoslav rifles should, that allow you to work the safety lever without any issues with the stock folded.

I actually cant the rifle slightly to the left when I have it shouldered in order to get a better sight picture. If it had an AKS-47 stock, I wouldn't need to do that.

Yugo safety lever with "wing":

AKM style straight stock on an Arsenal Inc. SAS-M7:

AKS-47 style stock on an Arsenal Inc. SAS-M7 Classic Russian

Posted: 12/22/2005 7:41:00 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Mucho cool factor.

If I remember the cheek weld sucks.

Are they solid when locked into place?

Most are pretty solid, but expect to develope some wobble.

There are really two types of underfolders....the original milled receiver type with solid steel struts that have much more drop to them, and the newer AKMS style that uses heavy gauge stampings and have very little drop to the stock, it comes straight back out.

Of the two, I find the original milled struts with more drop to be much more "comfortable".

Yes, cool factor is way high on these....

Templar,

I've always wondered whether the the underfolder stock with the more pronounced drop or the AKMS type was more comfortable. Why is the milled receiver type more comfortable? Visually it's always seemed to me that the AKMS one would be the more comfortable one with the better cheek weld, not that I'm disagreeing with you since I've never shot either type. Thanks.

I've found that the stocks with more drop to them actually let you get a much better sight picture, the AKMS style stocks come straight out and you have to really put your face down on the stock to get a decent sight picture. Also, the milled struts on the AKS-47 are rounded rather than squared off and are a little more comfortable.

Just works better for me.

On my Mitchell M90, the safety has a wing on it, the Yugoslav rifles should, that allow you to work the safety lever without any issues with the stock folded.

I actually cant the rifle slightly to the left when I have it shouldered in order to get a better sight picture. If it had an AKS-47 stock, I wouldn't need to do that.

Yugo safety lever with "wing":

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/MVC-034S.jpg

AKM style straight stock on an Arsenal Inc. SAS-M7:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Half%20sized%20Tammy%20and%20Arsenal/Circle10007.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Half%20sized%20Tammy%20and%20Arsenal/Circle10001.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Half%20sized%20Tammy%20and%20Arsenal/Circle10002.jpg

AKS-47 style stock on an Arsenal Inc. SAS-M7 Classic Russian

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/DeGoffs%20Stuff/DSC00185.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Half%20sized%20Tammy%20and%20Arsenal/TammyAKS-47.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Half%20sized%20Tammy%20and%20Arsenal/DSC00187.jpg

Actually now that you mention it I do find the milled type polymer stock on my Arsenal carbine and SLR-101 with the more pronounced drop slightly more comfortable than the more straight stock on my stamped WASR. I guess it's the same factor at play in relation to fixed stocks.

Posted: 12/22/2005 7:51:43 PM EDT

[#12]

Who's the girl holding the AKs?

Posted: 12/22/2005 8:20:13 PM EDT

[#13]

I have no problems w/ the underfolder cheek weld. Both of my Chinese UF have some play. No problems with that either.

You should get one while it's on sale!

Vector Arms AK47 Under Folder Rifles $559 SHIPPED Hurry!! Deal ends on 12/23.

Posted: 12/22/2005 8:23:59 PM EDT

[#14]

Posted: 12/23/2005 4:43:02 AM EDT

[#15]

Posted: 12/23/2005 6:31:59 AM EDT

[#16]

Everything's all good.

Posted: 12/23/2005 6:34:14 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Who's the girl holding the AKs?

That's Tammy. She and I both worked for DeGoff's Inc., a company that has very close ties to Arsenal Inc., or at least did when I worked there.

She did these pics all in good fun, usually guys would email or call me asking that there rifle could be photographed with her holding it before we shipped it out.

Previously, I never had an issue with someone making inappropriate comments, but this place is getting more and more like the AR side every day it seems.

Posted: 12/23/2005 6:41:11 AM EDT

[#18]

Posted: 12/23/2005 6:52:33 AM EDT

[#19]

FIGHT! FIGHT! MEOW HISS HISS MEOW
Its like 2 declawed cats fighting

Posted: 12/23/2005 8:07:35 AM EDT

[#20]

If you have any concerns about the buttplate on the UF... get one of these.
Recoil Pad for Underfolder Stocks
Excellent.

Posted: 12/23/2005 8:13:15 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
If you have any concerns about the buttplate on the UF... get one of these.
Recoil Pad for Underfolder Stocks
Excellent.

I was wondering if those were any good. Thanks for the input.

Posted: 12/23/2005 8:42:56 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Who's the girl holding the AKs?

Previously, I never had an issue with someone making inappropriate comments, but this place is getting more and more like the AR side every day it seems.

hr

naw i didnt mean it in that way, But its nice to see a girl with an AK!

Posted: 12/23/2005 11:51:04 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Who's the girl holding the AKs?

Previously, I never had an issue with someone making inappropriate comments, but this place is getting more and more like the AR side every day it seems.

naw i didnt mean it in that way, But its nice to see a girl with an AK!

He wasnt talking about you. That was directed to some classless asshat that made a rude remark!

Posted: 12/23/2005 11:52:48 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

He wasnt talking about you. That was directed to some classless asshat that made a rude remark!

Posted: 12/23/2005 12:00:31 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Previously, I never had an issue with someone making inappropriate comments, but this place is getting more and more like the AR side every day it seems.

+1 and it sucks.

Posted: 12/23/2005 12:10:13 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
If you have any concerns about the buttplate on the UF... get one of these.
Recoil Pad for Underfolder Stocks
Excellent.

I will keep that in mind, Thanks.

Posted: 12/23/2005 12:21:32 PM EDT

[#27]

Cheek weld in the winter time is uncomfortable on the underfolder. Otherwise they work good and I like the coolness factor. They fold up very compact.

Posted: 12/23/2005 12:40:15 PM EDT

[#28]

Pros:

Looks cool....like middle-eastern "fire over the ridge without looking to see where your target is" cool.
Easy to transport.
Looks cool (worth repeating).

Cons:

U-shaped bruise that the underfoler will leave on your shoulder.
Rifle feels less balanced.

Posted: 12/23/2005 7:38:06 PM EDT

[#29]

Cons- None that I know of.

Pros- The Libs hate them
They look so Cool
They make for a great truck gun
With the right sling, they cannot be seen when carried under a trench coat or oil skin duster

It would be great if you could carry one of these with a CCW.

SM

Posted: 12/23/2005 7:48:29 PM EDT

[#30]

Forgive my noobness here, but which do you AK gurus find more comfortable for shoulder firing? Sidefolding stocks or the underfolders?

Thanks in advance,

H

Posted: 12/23/2005 8:00:48 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
Forgive my noobness here, but which do you AK gurus find more comfortable for shoulder firing? Sidefolding stocks or the underfolders?

Thanks in advance,

H

From what I hear it's side folders hands down.

Posted: 12/23/2005 8:24:40 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Forgive my noobness here, but which do you AK gurus find more comfortable for shoulder firing? Sidefolding stocks or the underfolders?

Thanks in advance,

H

From what I hear it's side folders hands down.

You heard wrong

I prefer the underfolder, the (wire) sidefolders don't give any cheekweld and the Romy is the worst as I'm lefthanded and it's offset to the left for righties.
Triangle and fullstock AK100 sidefolders are so pricy and bulky you might as well spend the extra $$$ and build a second full stock Romanian AK.

Posted: 12/23/2005 9:07:40 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Forgive my noobness here, but which do you AK gurus find more comfortable for shoulder firing? Sidefolding stocks or the underfolders?

Thanks in advance,

H

From what I hear it's side folders hands down.

You heard wrong
I prefer the underfolder, the (wire) sidefolders don't give any cheekweld and the Romy is the worst as I'm lefthanded and it's offset to the left for righties.
Triangle and fullstock AK100 sidefolders are so pricy and bulky you might as well spend the extra $$$ and build a second full stock Romanian AK.

he said comfortable, not anything about cost.
So the fullstock AK100 series would be my pick.

Posted: 12/24/2005 4:52:40 AM EDT

[#34]

Are the underfolding stock on the M70 Yugos from Century/DCI "straight back" or "dropped?"

Posted: 12/24/2005 5:27:04 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Forgive my noobness here, but which do you AK gurus find more comfortable for shoulder firing? Sidefolding stocks or the underfolders?

Thanks in advance,

H

...jeez ...noowbs

Side folder, handsdown! The underfolder is high on the kewl factor, but the cheek weld sucks!

Posted: 12/24/2005 6:10:16 AM EDT

[#36]

I had a Vector UF with the straight back AKM stock and a Norinco UF with the angled stock. As all have said cool factor is off the scale, BUT shooting them is a different story. My experience is they are very uncomfortable to shoot, especially in prone. I sold both and have gone back to fixed stock AKs. Of course YMMV.

Posted: 12/24/2005 7:52:02 AM EDT

[#37]

I prefer the AKMS underfolder for both shooting and carrying. Fixed stocks just dont fit me right and side folders sting my cheek (although I havent tried an ACE). I think it depends a lot on your body shape and how you like to shoot. You really need to try them for yourself.

Posted: 12/24/2005 7:56:06 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
Are the underfolding stock on the M70 Yugos from Century/DCI "straight back" or "dropped?"

Yugoslavian underfolders use the AKMS style stock, which is stamped and straight.

Posted: 12/24/2005 8:52:57 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Forgive my noobness here, but which do you AK gurus find more comfortable for shoulder firing? Sidefolding stocks or the underfolders?

Thanks in advance,

H

The SAM7SF was fine for BFest as long as I kept the stock on my cheek, and not the cheek bone or jaw. Side folders are also much easier to pad with plumbers foam and still operate.

Folder stock heights/comb drops vary a good bit, so your preference for lower irons aor higher optics is another factor.

PS- still saluting you for the site prep escapade last winter