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Posted: 12/16/2005 10:47:34 AM EDT
Hi All,

Which is the absolute best 7.62 round for self defense purposes? How about the best "economy" round for the same purpose? Pros/Cons of FMJ, Soft Point, Hollow Point?

thanks!
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 11:00:10 AM EDT
Just about any round in 7.62x39 will stop someone in their tracks.Hell they just have to see the rifle with a 30rd mag hanging out and they will run for the hills.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 11:28:31 AM EDT
Some AK's have issues with HP ammo which would be a bummer in a self defense situation.

Otherwise I agree with Mutt... The 7.62 is a fast, hard hitting round. At close range, any of the choices you have listed would have the bad guy dirt napping in no time.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 11:34:09 AM EDT
If we were talking about actual combat I would say a mix of FMJ and Hollow's.

For home defense I have Hollow's, in the hopes that it will expand enough in the person so as not to go through the background object, and possibly hit someone in another apartment.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 11:55:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 1:18:41 PM EDT
Unless you live in a house by yourself on a hill far away from other homes, I would not use a rifle cartridge for my primary home defense. There is far too great a risk of over penetration through sheetrock and other barriers, especially with FMJ. I use a shotgun for home defense.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 1:22:15 PM EDT
soft points?
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 1:29:24 PM EDT
The best self defense load is Winchester or Lapua JSP. The best FMJ loads are the following that yaw within 4" of penetration:


-- Yugoslavian M67 124 gr FMJ, flat based, copper-jacketed, lead core bullet which travels only 3.5" in tissue before yawing
-- Chinese (PRC) 7.62 x 39 mm 123 gr FMJ, copper-jacketed, lead core bullets which begin their yaw after only 2 to 2.5" of travel in tissue.
-- Czech and several types of Western commercially produced lead core 7.62 x 39 mm FMJ yaw within the first 2 to 3 inches of travel in tissue.



Source: DocGKR at Tactical Forums
www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000521#000000
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 1:33:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Unless you live in a house by yourself on a hill far away from other homes, I would not use a rifle cartridge for my primary home defense. There is far too great a risk of over penetration through sheetrock and other barriers, especially with FMJ. I use a shotgun for home defense.


Big +1, Any rifle (especially 7.62x39) poses a great risk of over penetration.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 2:28:55 PM EDT
From what I read the HP and FMJ when shot at a watermelon just go in and out without much damage while the SP make it explode! The SP feed more reliable then the HP and have the least ammount of over penetration out of the three
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 5:24:28 PM EDT
In combat, I would imagine alternating SP and Steel core for penetration w/ last 3 rounds tracer would be hard to beat.

But, for SD, if you must use 7.62, go with SP.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 5:51:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:05:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2005 7:06:55 PM EDT by 762bodydropper]
As stated above I wouldnt suggest using an AK for home defense. As shown in This site it takes more than 9 layers of sheetrock to stop a round. I would suggest a shotgun.......But if you do have to use an ak I would suggest you use a soft point!
ETA:
<-----Look at that!!!
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:25:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Burke888:

But, for SD, if you must use 7.62, go with SP.



+1
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 9:05:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 9:32:15 AM EDT by Muskrat]

Originally Posted By Burke888:

But, for SD, if you must use 7.62, go with SP.



+1

All of the terminal ballistics pictures I've seen indicate that the SP 7.62x39 has devastating expansion and fragmentation effects in tissue, whereas the FMJ and HP rounds simply tumble. I'd definately go with the SP rounds if they feed in your rifle. Try it before you use it, just to make sure.
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