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2/7/2005 5:22:34 AM EDT
I have a milled bulgarian receiver stuck way back in the safe.  I just can't make up my mind how I should build the thing .  I have a new bulgarian postban kit with a neutered barrel and I was thinking of building with Ironwood laninated wood.  What do you all think!  How should I build this rifle?
Sparky1
2/7/2005 6:25:44 AM EDT
[#1]
Get a non nuetered kit and build it.
2/7/2005 6:32:47 AM EDT
[#2]
Post Pics!
2/7/2005 6:52:45 AM EDT
[#3]
Get a Russian type III kit and build it with that. Or you can sell it to me, I have plenty of kits to build.
2/7/2005 8:25:03 AM EDT
[#4]
First dibs
2/7/2005 10:53:21 AM EDT
[#5]
What is a Russian type III kit?  Who has them?
Sparky1
2/7/2005 11:21:19 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
What is a Russian type III kit?  Who has them?
Sparky1



The type III was the last version of the soviet milled AKs.  This is the most common type of soviet milled AK that you see.  Sportsmans Guide has kits.
2/7/2005 11:27:44 AM EDT
[#7]
You can go to centerfire systems and get a new Norinco kit for $100
2/7/2005 1:02:32 PM EDT
[#8]
All,
Who has purchased one of the wood stock kits from Sportsmans Guide and what was the condition?
Sparky1
2/7/2005 1:04:11 PM EDT
[#9]
IBTemplar
2/7/2005 1:55:19 PM EDT
[#10]
Gunner,
I do not understand your shorthand.  Train me on this shorthand.
Sparky1
2/7/2005 2:13:03 PM EDT
[#11]
What was done to the barrel to neuter it?  It may be possible to have a new gas block and front sight put on, or you might luck out and find a no-ban barrel with gas block and FSB already installed.  I would use the kit that you have, with a different barrel, and buy a set of Bulgarian plastic off of the EE and have an all Bulgarian gun.
2/7/2005 2:19:09 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Gunner,
I do not understand your shorthand.  Train me on this shorthand.
Sparky1



IBTemplar

In Before Templar posts, he is the Moderator with ton of knowldge on eastern european AKs
2/7/2005 3:13:27 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Gunner,
I do not understand your shorthand.  Train me on this shorthand.
Sparky1



IBTemplar

In Before Templar posts, he is the Moderator with ton of knowldge on eastern european AKs





Geez man, you'll give me a complex .

But seriously......keep the receiver, and as someone else has posted, the kit you have is probably "unbannable" by replacing the gas block and front sight assembly.

If you want to go old school, the Sportsman Guide kits are from early milled receiver AK-47's.  A smith can build it to your receiver and you'd have a damn near perfect clone of the "original" (yes, I know the Type 1 and Type 2 AK's came first, but not many were exported around the world), most widely distributed AK-47.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys lined up here to buy the receiver off of you.

2/7/2005 3:30:43 PM EDT
[#14]
Templar,
The kit is one of Centerfire kits that came with a thumbhole stock.  I mailed the kit to GG with a $200 sweetner and a year and a half later I got back no money, a receiver and some of the parts from the Kansas AG.  So that I would have a complete kit, I purchased a second kit.  Now I have two barrels and extra parts.  What to do, what to do!  The receiver is not for sale.  Now back to you all for more advise.
Thanks
Sparky1
2/7/2005 3:34:33 PM EDT
[#15]
At least you got something back.......that MF'er took me for a SAR-2, couple of hundred $'s, and a new Bulgarian barrel.

Well, what are your interests, AK wise I mean........do you think you might want to do something "historical", like a Type 3 Clone, or something updated, like a Bulgarian AR-M1?



2/7/2005 5:58:42 PM EDT
[#16]
Templar,
Did you turn the B@#$%^& in to the ATF for your SAR1?  I think my taste is starting to go toward a wood stocked Russian, but then I have all these parts!
Sparky1
2/7/2005 6:23:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Sparky.........you can sell those parts out on the Equipment Exchange here and on places like www.sturmgewehr.com to recoup some money....believe me, there are guys here (me among them) who are always looking for bits and pieces for projects.

As far as Gucciano, I just washed my hands of the whole affair, there were guys who got taken for a whole lot more than we did.
2/7/2005 6:35:00 PM EDT
[#18]
Templar,
You are right all I lost was a few $ and a few parts.  I was thinking that to protect yourself you should turn in the missing SAR1 to the ATF.  One never knows where it may turn up.  He must have done something with it, like build a gun for one of his friends that is if he ever had any!  Most likely some of my parts are on your gun right now.
Sparky1
2/7/2005 6:36:44 PM EDT
[#19]
Did the Russians ever use a laminated wood pistol grip?
Sparky1
2/7/2005 6:40:20 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Did the Russians ever use a laminated wood pistol grip?
Sparky1



Yes they did, on the early Type 2 and Type 3 rifles, yes.  They then went to a bakelite grip, and you can be sure that if some soldier broke his laminated pistol grip and it went to the armorer later on, it probably got replaced with a bakelite grip.

Both would be "correct".
2/7/2005 7:22:25 PM EDT
[#21]
The Russian even used the laminated grips on AKM's and early 74's. I hope that you use the receiver to build a type III clone. Those receivers are hard to find and I am a huge fan of type III's. I would hate to see that perfect receiver go to waste with a bastard pre-ban parts kit. To save yourself the trouble you should just sell the receiver to me.
2/8/2005 12:45:32 AM EDT
[#22]
Ok,
I guess type III it is, so I will order a kit.  Now the Bulgarian receivers are press fit on the barrel, so is the type III the same or not?  One more question, were the type III's blued or parked?
Sparky1
2/8/2005 4:59:31 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Ok,
I guess type III it is, so I will order a kit.  Now the Bulgarian receivers are press fit on the barrel, so is the type III the same or not?  One more question, were the type III's blued or parked?
Sparky1



Originally blue.  Some of the kits may be parked, I believe they came out of Israel from captured stocks of PLO weapons, so anything could have happened in all those years.

The smith who's going to build the kit into a rifle will have to turn the threads down on the barrel and press it into the receiver.
2/8/2005 6:15:27 AM EDT
[#24]
Since the type III's have no date on them you can have them blued like the first batches or paint over park like the later ones. I will have mine built to look worn out and used, just kind of a personal touch.
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