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7/5/2004 6:53:54 PM EDT
Pick this up at last wekend's gunshow.  Originally I was going to build an AMD-65 but now that I got this to work with I'm thinking about building either a AK pistol, SBR, or buy a fake supressor and extend the barrel to 16in?  It chambers 7.62x39 made from Bulgarian parts.

Haven't come to a decision on what to build yet. What do you guys think I should do?  

7/5/2004 7:05:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Reminds me of an airsoft gun my kid has.
7/5/2004 7:08:39 PM EDT
[#2]
go the pistol route.


if i could find one i'd do the same.
7/5/2004 7:37:25 PM EDT
[#3]
I never shot a Ak pistol before.  How hard would it be to shoot a 7.62x39 pistol?  
7/5/2004 8:17:55 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I never shot a Ak pistol before.  How hard would it be to shoot a 7.62x39 pistol?  



I haven't either but I have shot a SBR krink in 7.62 with the stock folded and it is a bitch!

After the sunset I am going to build a pistol for sure.  I have a virgin lower just waiting.
7/5/2004 8:42:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Rick, did you shot the Krink form your hip?  That had to be my biggest concern with building a pistol, the recoil!  I much prefer shooting with a stock.  I'm seriously thinking about going the SBR route.    
7/5/2004 9:12:16 PM EDT
[#6]
Awesome! Definately SBR it!
7/5/2004 9:35:40 PM EDT
[#7]
That is Chinese ! Look at the rivet pattern.

RPB used to sell them , without the funky green paint.

I would go folding stock , SBR.
7/5/2004 9:39:07 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
That is Chinese ! Look at the rivet pattern.



Nice catch!!
I didn't notice that at all.
7/5/2004 9:59:54 PM EDT
[#9]
You mean the whole thing is Chinese made?   Another thing, I couldn't find any marking on the front trunnion.  

Will be getting a Krink folder on it
7/6/2004 3:19:48 AM EDT
[#10]
note the sling attachment point.  closed front sight. looks like the remnant of gas vent holes in the gas tube, also,

the whole thing is chinese.

my guess is that the trunnion has been sanitized or was never numbered.
7/6/2004 3:19:49 AM EDT
[#11]
slam fire double tap.
7/6/2004 3:50:48 AM EDT
[#12]
That simply MUST be illegal.  Imagine the 'thrusts per squeeze'.  Senator Feinstine, please save us!!
7/6/2004 4:58:01 AM EDT
[#13]
I vote sbr....That just kick's ass..If I could go to a gun show once and find something like that I'd go too em all the time...Nice score.
7/6/2004 6:08:56 AM EDT
[#14]
Another vote for SBR!
7/6/2004 6:58:26 AM EDT
[#15]
Here is a closer shot of the barrel and gas chamber.  The front sight is welded on to the gas chamber.  I'm not too familiar with AKs variants.  Is chinese made parts inferior to other such as Bulgarians and Romanian?  Another thing is when the muzzle brake is screwed all the way in the holes are facing the left side instead of up.  Doesn't all muzzle brakes have holes on top?



Trunnion with no markings on it


I'm not sure if this means problem?  The barrel look to be have just half of it ground off (silver area)?
7/6/2004 7:05:12 AM EDT
[#16]
MX, It occured to me, we have another issue with building on this trunnion.  Chinese receivers are thicker and thus the i.d. is narrower by a .5mm.  Your OOW receiver might not work.
Do you have a mic?  Maybe you can measure the width of that trunnion.
7/6/2004 7:05:50 AM EDT
[#17]
Chinese parts are very good quality. Far better than the Romanian and as good or better than the Bulgarian.
If you don't mind my asking what did you have to give for that little jewell? Nice find.
7/6/2004 7:23:09 AM EDT
[#18]
width of the trunnion is 3.1mm and the length is 6 2/5mm

7/6/2004 7:47:02 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
width of the trunnion is 3.1mm and the length is 6 2/5mm

img71.photobucket.com/albums/v217/fishgut/measurement.jpg



You mean 31mm, right?
7/6/2004 7:50:03 AM EDT
[#20]
The silver area is just part of the chrome plating (the "run over").
7/6/2004 8:05:17 AM EDT
[#21]
The ruler is slightly tilted.  The actual measurement is 3.1mm (three and one "line" over)





The silver area is just part of the chrome plating (the "run over").


That's first time I've seen just half chrome plating run over... I was worrying that might cost chambering problem.
7/6/2004 8:12:52 AM EDT
[#22]
3.1 Centimeters I would say.  


Anyway, my opinion on the whole SBR/AOW/Pistol thing is that if I were going to take the time to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax and wait on it I would prefer it be a legitimate Krink kit that I'm doing it for.  

I figure if you are already going to go through all that it may as well be for a top-quality Bulgarian krink kit rather then a wierd chopped AK.  

Now, you could do something else with it, but I'd save the SBR thing for a real Krink build.
7/6/2004 8:15:14 AM EDT
[#23]
Yep, thats a cm scale.  The small ticks are mm.  That trunnion might "swim" in an Ohio receiver.  You might have to build this on a Global 1.6mm receiver.

We will mic it up when we get together and know for sure.
7/6/2004 8:15:21 AM EDT
[#24]
Its Chinese, I have seen them on the market from time to time. There are also pics of it in the Japanese AK book assembled.
7/6/2004 9:43:41 AM EDT
[#25]

AJjer_Bullets            
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Anyway, my opinion on the whole SBR/AOW/Pistol thing is that if I were going to take the time to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax and wait on it I would prefer it be a legitimate Krink kit that I'm doing it for.



As much as I hate to admit, I have to agreed with you AJjer.  I didn't think this project would cost as much as it would be to build a krink, with less hassle too!  Either SBR or 16" rifle route would cost be $100-$200 more on this build not to mention the difficulty I might have to face since this is my first try in building an AK.  

Rick, I think I'll hold off on the short barrel project for now... I'll need something that'll work a OO receiver.  I'm looking to get a 5.45x39.5 kit from K-var for the build.  You did mention the 5.45x39.5 would work with the OO 7.62x39 receiver with out modification?  I'm going to go ahead and order the kit once I get this confirmed.  
7/6/2004 2:40:34 PM EDT
[#26]
FYI, RPB sold these for like...............$375

If you prefer the holes of the comp to be up, you can 'time' the comp by filing some metal off of the back of the comp until it will thread on tight with the holes in the right spot.
7/6/2004 5:00:45 PM EDT
[#27]

Triangle-66
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Joined :: May 2002
Post Number :: 39

If you prefer the holes of the comp to be up, you can 'time' the comp by filing some metal off of the back of the comp until it will thread on tight with the holes in the right spot.



That's a good idea, didn't think of it that way.  I don't know, it seem like a lot of hassle to get this project up and running.  The SBR route is more than what I want to pay for.  Going with the barrel extention woud be $100 less than the SBR route, but it would'nt shoot like a rifle.

I'll probably just sell it and fund an AK-104 project with less hassle involve.  Since this my first AK build I'm probably better off keeping it simple.  
7/8/2004 7:48:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Not entirely unlike an AK I found in Iraq.  I called it the 'Chinkov'.


The only problem with this gun is that the gas piston was so short, during recoil the piston would withdraw completely from the gas tube, tilt up slightly and hit the end of the gas tube, and jam.  There was a little metal spacer dropped into the bolt carrier  where the recoil spring goes to keep it from recoiling back so far... it worked, until I stuck a supressor on it.  Too much back pressure and it mangled the recoil spring guide and blew the top cover off.


You should build that thing...  Silver solder a barrel extension until you can afford to do the SBR.  You'll save a lot of cash.  The whole front of the rifle is done.

Global seems to think that their receiver will fit a chinese trunnion just fine, I asked them a few weeks ago for a project I have goin right now.
7/9/2004 7:46:41 PM EDT
[#29]
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There was a little metal spacer dropped into the bolt carrier where the recoil spring goes to keep it from recoiling back so far...



Could you post a pic of the modified bolt carrier?  How does the metal spacer look like? I'm thinking a metal pipe.

I stopped by a local gunstore today and they had an SBR that look almost like your's with only difference it had a full stock.  The guy working there told me they usually run about $1000.  I had him opened up the cover and showed me the piston.  There was a cutted down gas piston attached to the bolt carrier.  I asked if it cycles flawlessly with the modified pistol, he said "Yes"

I've been calling K-Var the last few days putting a list of my orders together for a Ak-104.  Apparently there is a complete recoil spring assembly they're selling that has a locking device at the end near the release button.  Perhapse that'll help keep the cover on during heavy recoil?
7/10/2004 3:46:13 AM EDT
[#30]
oow sells a 5.45 specific reciver also, so no need to use a 7.62 anymore.
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