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Posted: 4/22/2003 9:13:39 AM EDT
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When I get back to the house tonight I'm gonna go through my past email from gucci goo and post some of the quotes. You guys won't believe....well, I guess you will! After what Doc posted it's very obvious that gucci goo is planning to drag this out as far as he can, with in the LAW of course. He keeps diggin that hole deeper and deeper.... |
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I'm sure we've all heard this one "..actually I do have the parts all wrapped, and ready to ship. I'll order a box(UPS and/or the PO delivers them) and get them out..." That was Feb 2002 and I still haven't gotten the parts! Sept 2002 " Yes, I'm planning on shipping the rivet jobs, as we spoke on the phone. :) I'm working on a large batch of Krinkov's now...don't have a time they will be done, but yours is in it. (I'm rufusing to give return dates unless I know for a fact I can make the.)....Larry's FAL will be done right after the krinkov's...I promise I'm trying to get all this done ASAP. Hope this helps even a little?" Larry is a customer who bought an FAL and wanted it to be rebarrelled, cryo'd and some trigger work. Gucci goo has had this one since April 2001. Last March I recieved an email askin how my projects were goin and stated he was havin trouble with gucci goo and that he knew some others. I followed the trail and ended up with some 7 individuals who had the same problems I was havin about gettin their projects completed and returned. To make this very long story short as possible, gucci goo threw a fit and said I was "rounding up a posse". We shared with gucci goo that we all knew each other and that he was tellin us that he was only 3-4 people behind and there were 7. He wanted to know names so he could "work it out". April 2002 "I have to say Hector, I am very disappointed in your actions. I thought of us as friends, and that's something I don't say about just anyone.....A friend would have told me who it was that was upset so i could have done someting about it. .....yet if you would help me figure out who it is that's upset I could get their things to them and save any problems later on." What a guy! Get their stuff to them..HA, what a joker! "NOT that it makes it okay, yet I had a few people that whined about their things and was rude...I had a hard time saying,.."It's going to be a while." Instead I would say things like, "Well, I'll see what I can do to get them out sometime next week." I wasn't trying to technically mislead anyone, yet I felt it sounded better than the former." This quote must be how he got so far behind, RIGHT! March 2002 "And also, to compare me with Inrange, they aren't even gunsmiths from what I understand. I do contract work for a ton of people. Currently, G-Tec is having me complete 400 AMD-65 rifles for them, KUSA is having me do a lot of 600-700 rifles using the 308 Saiga's. I start that project in 3 weeks. Custom work is just a small part of what I do. I do a lot of other smiths work on the side too." April 2002 Talking about the "posse" I formed..."I do understand what you are saying, yet to be 100% honest, I have to play games (at this point) with people. It makes no damn since. You'd think I was dealing with babies. And to think they actually have the right to have guns, that's scary!" ..Actually have the right to own guns? Gucci goo used this quote several times in the past and later. April 2002 "I have to have everything pretty much completed by the middle of May because of other higher level (and important) business dealings." This one really worked me over. "Higher level AND important business dealings." Just goes to show...don't it! April 2002 "...I have gained a reputation of the best work because I have earned it and with that I will not and don't respect people that refuse what faults they do. Another reality is that I have many very satisfied customers. The major majority of customers return again and again. ...I sent almost 70 rifles out last month, Kevin was working and did 80-90% of the rifles that were returned." Ol' gucci goo sure is full of himself on this one. Again from April 2002 "I was shocked about the whole posse thing. That's something I would expect a high schooler to do and it normally seems to work against the "group" more than for it. Case in point. I will NOT be personally stamping any of the posses rifles with the "G2" or SAI logos. If asked by anyone in the future if a particular rifle was built by us, "well I'm not sure." As my granddad always says, "you don't piss off the mechanic and expect them to do the job perfect. It just don't work that way." :) If someone doesn't like something, I'll just ship their things back and refuse to do the work for them. On that token, I'll TRY to get an assessment of the builds at their present stage for you within a few days time, but I can't do that everytime. As Ed Brown and Mark at ARS says, "If it's not done then it's not done." Gucci goo liked to quote what everyone else was sayin and never tell me what he has to say. He would always throw this kinda BS to try and throw me off I guess. This next quote is one of my favorites. April 2002 "If you threaten me, I will tell you now it will not work. I'm not threatening back (again I'm mature and don't do that). You need to check a little deeper into the law (remember my uncle is a lawyer) I'll run down a few things for you... There are only two things you could try...civil or criminal. Criminal wouldn't apply and civil court requires YOU to be WITHIN THE SAME STATE as the defendant. Everyone's allowed a defense and they(your state) will not serve a summons to appear all the way to Kansas. If it was a criminal case it's possible they would extradite, civil? it hasn't ever been done in the history of the US! Continued. You would have to contact the Attorney General of this state, come to Kansas for the court pre-hearing and then if there was a continuance etc, you would have to come back EACH AND EVERY TIME. Of course as my uncle says, attorneys are great at filing continuances a day before the court date (so the party doesn't recieve notice until after they arrive.) I will do as you have done(fair is fair, correct?) "I warn you" you need to check into the "law suit" a little better. If you threaten me I can guarantee that will make "a mountian out of a mole hill." You get more flies with honey than you do vinegar. I assure you, that holds VERY true with myself." I wondered what Mr. Howland thought when he read that one :) End quotes for know. These are exact quotes and I have not added anything. |
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Boy, I think ol' Gooch uses cut and paste, I received the exact same email about not stamping the rifles, back in the posse days... I'll dig up some quotes later, if I have time..I have some classic ones... Oh BTW, the customers of mine that had guns with GG, I ended up having to replace their property that I sent to GG for them. One for shoddy workmanship, the others (2) because I couldn't get the guns back. |
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Actually, if you have an attorney file a civil suit from your state (this IS interstate commerce, you know) then the defendant is REQUIRED to show up in YOUR state to defend. My best friend is an attorney for the state of Arizona, one of my wife's co-workers is a federal law specialist attorney, and my brother is an attorney as well. And I took pre-law courses in college :) |
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And also, to compare me with Inrange, they aren't even gunsmiths from what I understand. let's see...troy ships 500+ rifles ON TIME and ON BUDGET. troy has 500 happy customers, none of whom went to their attorneys or the t(k)ag). troy takes care of problems quickly. now...WHO is the gunsmith and WHO is the con man? troy doesn't lie like a rug. |
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Based upon my faced to face with Gucci Goo (love that name Hector) - he "said" he had an AA from some Kansas JUCO in gunsmithing - not that there is anything wrong with that, but that would be a pretty easy degree to get - I wish I could remember what county community college it was - I would contact them and check on his degree. I recall him blowing his horn about the Gordon Tech AMD deal - I think he screwed them over also - |
WOW. His uncle must be his Cousin Vinny. Because he sure doesn't know shit about the law. I hope his uncle has a smart girlfriend. |
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More from the beginin of the "posse" days. All post past and present that have a month and year are from seperate email. This month of April and I mean the whole month was almost everyday of his bull$h^t come backs. April 2002 "...and you know I do excellentv work,(I actually would easilychallenge anyone to do the work I do and do it as good. That's not meant to sound conceited, yet it is 100% confidence. I have original tools, training that people would love to have AND that no other smith has either.)....It's made out to be that I'm some asshole or something. I'm not that far behind, yet with all the whining via e-mail (as one friend put it) it sounds like I am. It really is a "lynch mob" even if it's not posted on the boards. I just wished I had listened to Mike Prewitt 3-4 weeksago. He said Gary, I'm telling you, don't do anything for anyone without getting what you can. I can tell you from experience they don't give a rats ass about you, just themselves." I think (from my side of things anyway) That's VERY sad and to think these "people" have the right to own guns!:(" One of gucci goo's famous lines to me was "I gave optimistic self imposed deadlines" I had to break it down for him, HE JUST LIED! April 2002 "You said "this may sound like a lynch mob mentality because of the pressure you feel about all this." Actuall not. I don't feel pressure from this really. I'm not that far behind, 2 weeks of busting ass and I will be caught up with almost all back work, you'll see. I don't need the Internet at all actually, I get way more business from companies like Kvar, KUSA etc. They direct people my way." April 2002 "You said, "You say your finished with the build and just need to finish the finish, is another complaint" Okay, where are the cameras?? or is this just a ridiculous assumption (remember I'm a major in philosophy? Assumptions only show just how ignorant a person really is.) I currently have right now almost 25-30 rifles that are in the finishing stage. If I have said that it's 99% chance of the truth. That doesn't mean all 25-30 will be done within a week or two." April 2002 "Now please hear me out, the things that are NOT being took into consideration are... -I'm a trained smith. Not just someone who started building "kit" guns. -I recieve a lot of work. Actually Krebs and myself have talked and we both agree we are the only competition we have. -Although it wasn't foreseen (even by myself) it's taken longer than I or anyone expected. This is very true. YET! I'm the best in the business. I'm NOT trying to sound conceited at all, but it's true. The thing people need to realize is that all smiths that are the best at what they do take a long time. That's a fact and I'm sure you would have to agree. For example, R. Powers is one of the best bolt action guys in the US. He's having ME build his AK's for him. The same thing goes for E. Brown. he's the best revolver guy, etc." April 2002 "I believe once like that, always like that. Or like I have always said, "I believe in safety, I believe in justice. I don't believe in forgiveness nor rehabilitation." Some quote from a guy who has given many "optimistic, self imposed deadlines". This next quote is one you really must remember when it comes to your projects also. Imagine gucci goo sayin this to you... April 2002 "Before I had any knowledge of it (the key factor) you were defaming me, etc. If I would have all the sudden stopped production and did only your things I would have looked like a fool." "Stop production"? Mind you that he's had my stuff for 19 months already. And this is all he can say. Sure doesn't do much for his integrity. The "defaming" comes again from the "posse" deal. I never once "defamed" him. I only wanted to know why the other "posse" members were so many if he was only a few behind. He has never aswered any of those questions durin that ordeal. |
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Two more wonderful GG quotes. No, I couldn't make 'em up this good, folks. These are the real thing.... "If you call and speak with Bob or John at Kvar ask, „Who is the best AK smith in the states? I want the best available.‰ They will recommend myself. As is commonly known, I‚m the only educated and formally trained smith that deal regularly with AK‚s..." "You see, (please keep this private between just us) I have reworked 7-8 of Krebs rifles .. both production and private builds. In my opinion, his work (on AKís anyway) isn't great and his prices are outrageous! I don't want to be the type that is just in it for the money, ... I live very well and don't really have a need for anything. That's all that matters to myself. Because of my training, I can spot things that wasn't done ìby the book.î Its much more important to me to be able to offer real quality services to people at affordable prices." |
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HOLY COW! Ol gucci goo has his head straight up his a$$ if he thinks he has reworked a Krebs! I've never heard of a Krebs needin anything but for the mag to be reloaded hat |
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Wait!!! I've found one even better dated 9/03/02: "I’m running longer than I thought. I honestly didn't see a problem with what I said at the time, and I still think I could have gotten it done for you as I said if it wasn't for having to defend myself against attacks from that “Krinkfreak” guy. I haven't even done business with him at all... but he still just continues to cause problems." Thanks a lot, Krinkfreak, for causing me all of this grief!  |
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Yeah, that is a good one..... I never attacked Gary and he knows it. All I asked was "why anyone would wait for two years to have a weapon built?" Then he let loose the dogs on me.....Bowpunk, OPFOR, Trikerjay, HDR, and the list goes on.....I told them they were nothing but "Mindless Minnions" of SAI...going around chanting "Gary is the AK God, Gary is the AK God" Needless to say I got banned.....and now dot.nutz is saying their's no connection between SAI and GunsNet???? Hmmmmmm... I think the whole thing is pretty comical myself...a few of those who attacked myself and Troy Sellars are now on this board preaching against SAI....I printed out the thread in question from dot.nutz and I have exactly what those individuals said to us in support of SAI... KF "Deployed" |
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KrinkFreak, does it feel strange to think that there might actually be a group of people on AK-47.net hoping you might not make it back? On the sai quotes, here is a very telling exchange. On April 17 2001 I emailed gary the following question "please tell me that there is NOT a 3 month turn around time :-)" On April 18 2001 I got the following response from Gary "Oh no, I can promise you the turn around time will not be 3 months. :)" He is a sick man. |
100% Gary Gucciano quotes, 130+ emails to prove it.
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TrikerJay Apology accepted. The thread was already deleted (oh wait a minute, Bowpunk says no threads were ever deleted...) or squirreled away so no one can access it. I have it printed out for whoever needs it... My intent was never to hammer anyone, but merely ask why anyone would wait for two years. As it seems, SAI and GunsNet worked together to censor anyone that raised an eyebrow... There are a few individuals who really went out on a limb and stood up to expose SAI....they withstood hell on Subguns.com and FAL Files.com to make sure the truth was told.... My position has been and always will be..."Everyone deserves a Krinkov...and if I can help point/guide people to the best solution, then I will." KF "Deployed" |
That doesn't surprise me at all...armchair warriors...all of them. I wonder if anyone on dot.nutz rode the MOAB....... www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=55502 No worries. KF "Deployed" |
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